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If the Big Ten expanded to 16 teams, which two teams would folks like to see join?

My two choices would be Notre Dame and Virginia. Both are good academic schools. Both have great campuses and would make for nice road trips. UVA would provide a natural rivalry for Maryland. And this would force the Big East, I mean ACC to take UConn and Cincy.
 
Probably would get:
Kansas and UVA which would strengthen hoops with 1 western and 1 eastern school.

UNC would be a huge get but don't think they will come unless the ACC falls apart.
 
If the Big Ten expanded to 16 teams, which two teams would folks like to see join?

My two choices would be Notre Dame and Virginia. Both are good academic schools. Both have great campuses and would make for nice road trips. UVA would provide a natural rivalry for Maryland. And this would force the Big East, I mean ACC to take UConn and Cincy.
Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing UCONN in the Big Ten.

I think they were becoming a pretty hated rival...and that's what rivalries are all about.

Plus, it gives us another conference win the majority of the times we play them.
 
Agree with Kansas and UVA. Both have football teams we can handle and one is an easy drive. And screw Uconn. They're a bottom feeder in the AAC. How are they ever going to be able to compete in the B1G?
 
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Ideally - Texas and ND. We would be rolling in money and chances are both end up in the western division, so we wouldnt even have to play them that often.

Of the teams that might accept - VT and UNC.
 
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I'd like to see the addition of Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette & Central Connecticut State...only then could the B1G be a respectable conference. :rolleyes:
 
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also, if the NCAA allows changes to the conference championship you may see 20 team conferences.

Either the ACC or B12 would fold and you would have 4 20 team conferences.
 
I know that Notre Dame has their own network and has a sweetheart deal with the ACC, so the chances of them coming in the foreseeable future are not good. But what if the ACC were to implode and economic forces put them in a position where they had to have conference affiliation to survive and grow.

Given that, why would folks not want Notre Dame?
 
I know that Notre Dame has their own network and has a sweetheart deal with the ACC, so the chances of them coming in the foreseeable future are not good. But what if the ACC were to implode and economic forces put them in a position where they had to have conference affiliation to survive and grow.

Given that, why would folks not want Notre Dame?

Because I hate them.
 
I know that Notre Dame has their own network and has a sweetheart deal with the ACC, so the chances of them coming in the foreseeable future are not good. But what if the ACC were to implode and economic forces put them in a position where they had to have conference affiliation to survive and grow.

Given that, why would folks not want Notre Dame?
What interesting is - at least from TV/bowls - they would probably makre MORE from the Big Ten (at least a Big Ten that has them in it).

But independence is about more than TV money for them. Its about the national schedule that allows them to keep up their fan base nationally - which is probably owrth more than the extra Big Ten money.
 
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90% of the decision would be about TV $$$ (just like it was for Rutgers and Maryland).

Notre Dame ("national team") may not ironically add that much new Conf Network TV $$$ (Big Ten won't be able to get high carriage rates outside of Indiana), plus, I think ND likes their ACC relationship (i.e Olympic Sports membership, Football team can keep NBC TV Deal, play 5 ACC Football teams per year).

UNC or Ga Tech or Texas type school (located in new states/new tv markets), etc...would be a top target...as schools like UVA (Big Ten already "owns" DC TV Market) or UCONN (Big Ten owns NYC and much of CT), won't add that many new $$$ to the coffers.

If Big Ten went to 16...just look at new markets and future TV $$$$ and that's where the decision would be made.
 
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How about UVA & Oklahoma? Reviving the Oklahoma vs. Nebraska rivalry would be great.
 
Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing UCONN in the Big Ten.

I think they were becoming a pretty hated rival...and that's what rivalries are all about.

Plus, it gives us another conference win the majority of the times we play them.
Well, you said it first my man ...but NO ...You DON'T want U-Can't and not because of a so called heated rivalry...U'Can't would clearly become the media darlings of ESPIN and if that
happens , we better be a top 4-5 program in the B1G with several New Years Day Bowl games to our credit...Let's enjoy this so called advantage of being in a P- 5 conference let's say 10 years then we can discuss the why's and how comes...Some of you supposed fans of Rutgers need a lobotomy.
 
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14 is more than enough IMO. After this season, when the heck do we play Wisconsin and Nebraska again? I'd like to actually play the teams in the other division more often rather than less which be the case with expansion.

And adding marquee programs like ND and Texas sounds awesome but honestly, our conference schedule is absurdly difficult enough already.
 
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What interesting is - at least from TV/bowls - they would probably makre MORE from the Big Ten (at least a Big Ten that has them in it).

But independence is about more than TV money for them. Its about the national schedule that allows them to keep up their fan base nationally - which is probably owrth more than the extra Big Ten money.

This guy gets it. ND does not want full membership in a conference because it has more than a regional appeal and fanbase. Money isn't the issue. ND fans love to see games in California, Texas, Florida, the northeast, Chicago, etc. That's also good for national recruiting.

One might say that other teams can recruit nationally, but the teams that do so tend to be in more desirable places than South Bend, IN and have more local talent than Indiana/Chicago (e.g., USC, Bama, FSU, etc.). Perhaps the one exception is OSU these days.

Perhaps some day ND will have to fully join a conference for football. If that happens, I personally hope it's the Big Ten for regional rivalry reasons. I'm an old-school traditionalist, though I know tradition and rivalries don't drive college football decisions any more. ND could maintain its rivalries with at least USC and Navy, though it would likely have to drop Stanford. But, as an ND fan, I like rotating new teams into the schedule every few years: Texas, Oklahoma, ASU, etc. That couldn't happen with a full conference schedule plus traditional rivals USC and Navy.

ND got a good deal with the ACC. The ACC has excellent presence in basketball, baseball, and other non-revenue sports. The conference is on the East Coast, where there are a lot of ND alum and fans. Fans would rather see games in Charlottesville, Chapel Hill, Tallahassee, etc. than Minneapolis, West Lafayette and Columbus. The football played in the ACC is solid, though not spectacular (no worse top to bottom than the Big Ten).

I'm not convinced that the football deal with the ACC is a permanent solution, but it's the best one ND could get for the time being.
 
The ACC has a GOR through 2027 or something like that, so any movement won't be for a while. Also, ND has in their contract with the ACC, that if they were to join a conference it has to be the ACC. The Big12 has much better chance for implosion then the ACC. When the Big12 GOR is over I see Texas and ND going ACC full time, and Oklahoma, Kansas to BI0.
 
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I remain confident that someday God will smite Notre Dame. I don't want any of our players or fans to get caught in the crossfire.

Besides. as others have pointed out, it's not wholly about money with them. As long as they keep getting massive donations from people like Jon Vonblowme so that his kid can walk onto the team, they're all good.
 
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This guy gets it. ND does not want full membership in a conference because it has more than a regional appeal and fanbase. Money isn't the issue. ND fans love to see games in California, Texas, Florida, the northeast, Chicago, etc. That's also good for national recruiting.

One might say that other teams can recruit nationally, but the teams that do so tend to be in more desirable places than South Bend, IN and have more local talent than Indiana/Chicago (e.g., USC, Bama, FSU, etc.). Perhaps the one exception is OSU these days.

Perhaps some day ND will have to fully join a conference for football. If that happens, I personally hope it's the Big Ten for regional rivalry reasons. I'm an old-school traditionalist, though I know tradition and rivalries don't drive college football decisions any more. ND could maintain its rivalries with at least USC and Navy, though it would likely have to drop Stanford. But, as an ND fan, I like rotating new teams into the schedule every few years: Texas, Oklahoma, ASU, etc. That couldn't happen with a full conference schedule plus traditional rivals USC and Navy.

ND got a good deal with the ACC. The ACC has excellent presence in basketball, baseball, and other non-revenue sports. The conference is on the East Coast, where there are a lot of ND alum and fans. Fans would rather see games in Charlottesville, Chapel Hill, Tallahassee, etc. than Minneapolis, West Lafayette and Columbus. The football played in the ACC is solid, though not spectacular (no worse top to bottom than the Big Ten).

I'm not convinced that the football deal with the ACC is a permanent solution, but it's the best one ND could get for the time being.

ND has the luxury of being ND and your entire post seems reasonable and on point. However, I seriously doubt that most ND fans would rather see ND playing at Charlottesville and Chapel Hill over Columbus even if these places have nicer weather and arguably nicer campuses. This is college football we're talking about.
 
There will be some basic requirements - one will be academic credibility - the AAU membership could likely be a must-have
... and a foothold in a large (population of people - not livestock or acreage ) market would be attractive. A while ago I heard Ga Tech mentioned ... might fit these parameters .
 
the B1G is not expanding anytime soon. It is perfect as is. Let's not dilute the brand any further.

That's probably what many of the B1G traditionalists were saying when the rumors started about RU/MD being invited. Anyway, I think expansion may be about done, unless the Big 12 decides it actually wants or needs 12...which seems to be on the back burner.
 
ND has the luxury of being ND and your entire post seems reasonable and on point. However, I seriously doubt that most ND fans would rather see ND playing at Charlottesville and Chapel Hill over Columbus even if these places have nicer weather and arguably nicer campuses. This is college football we're talking about.

That's a fair point.
 
UVA is terrible at Football, so why add them? for LAX? Maryland already gives us access to Virginia.

UNC - Too many scandals and they suck at Football. Also the ACC is controlled by them so why would they leave?

Texas - keep dreaming. Plus LHN is a non-starter

UND - keep dreaming, plus their NBC contract is a non starter

Uconn is a borderline FCS school at this point and they offer zero new TV markets and terrible football and terrible recruiting market.

I said it before but I really like the Olkohama/Kansas combo.

That being said, I don't think the Big Ten is expanding anytime soon.
 
90% of the decision would be about TV $$$ (just like it was for Rutgers and Maryland).

Notre Dame ("national team") may not ironically add that much new Conf Network TV $$$ (Big Ten won't be able to get high carriage rates outside of Indiana), plus, I think ND likes their ACC relationship (i.e Olympic Sports membership, Football team can keep NBC TV Deal, play 5 ACC Football teams per year).

UNC or Ga Tech or Texas type school (located in new states/new tv markets), etc...would be a top target...as schools like UVA (Big Ten already "owns" DC TV Market) or UCONN (Big Ten owns NYC and much of CT), won't add that many new $$$ to the coffers.

If Big Ten went to 16...just look at new markets and future TV $$$$ and that's where the decision would be made.
ND is a big enough name that they would drive an increase in the national uptake of the BTN itself, and in the national TV deal. Also - its a dangerous game to assume that the current situation with unpopular teams in big market making big money will last forever. It wasnt the case 1 decade ago, and likely wont be the case a decade hence, when basically everything is PPV. That wont be a problem for ND, or Texas - but GT or Rutgers?

If they could get ND they will take them. If they go to 16 and then ND says yes, they will go to 18. The issue is that, as I said - ND doesnt have alot to gain and has alot to lose.

Does the Big Ten OWN the DC market. Are they getting in state rates in Virginia, which makes up the largest portion of the DC market? Plus the rest of Virginia, ex DC is still bigger than MD is. UConn - they would need to make the case that they would be the team in Boston as well as Hartford -which could actually be the case - they draw students from throughout New England and are the best public school in the region. The issue is that they would need to win to do so, and with no recruiting base, there is no chance they could.

Clearly Texas would be the move - but only for Teas itself. TT, Byalor, and TCU dont have enough popularity throughout the state to force the BTN on, and the Big Ten teams arent all that popular in Texas (as opposed to NY/NJ/DC/Baltimore - where alot of Big Ten alums end up.)

UNC and UVa have got to be at the top of the list of realistic teams - big and growing states with great academic research schools. GT keeps coming up, but I just cant see tkaing them over UVa (GT gets you at best - Atlanta, which is still smaller than Virginia ex the DC market.)
 
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