This is the correct answer but it is more likely to be UVA and Kansas. B1G would like GT to get that ATL market as well though.
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This is the correct answer but it is more likely to be UVA and Kansas. B1G would like GT to get that ATL market as well though.
... I'm not one of the, " is U Can't better" than us guys...however I realize it is very important for us to establish a firm footing in conference ... so let's not use the guise that it's good for Rutgers ( U'can't as a Rival) ... and as far as a Rival ...they really weren't ...they caught us at a bad time...no money... a poor coach...no framework etc ... add to this the fact did they ever respect us as an equal? ... NO... and still don't... that was our fault back then so why give them that opportunity...if things were reversed BuggsyRU you would sing a much different tune...sorry to say I hope they die a very slow death in football up in Storrs.
I do see some of what you are saying, but I disagree with you that they didn't respect us as an equal (in football. In basketball, unfortunately, we are NOT their equal).
Most of their fans not only treated us as their equal, but also said it was the game they wanted to win more than any other game on their schedule.
That right there is a sign of respect. I loved to hate them. It made it fun. It was way more fun playing them than playing USF, or Temple or SMU. The only team I enjoyed beating more, was Sewercuse.
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A&M will NEVER, EVER be in the same conference so pour some cold water on that impossible dream...
I know NOT of a SINGLE Aggie fan who would care for this...the big donor revolt would be EPIC!!!
A&M will NEVER, EVER be in the same conference so pour some cold water on that impossible dream...
I know NOT of a SINGLE Aggie fan who would care for this...the big donor revolt would be EPIC!!!
Kansas and UVA or Kansas and Oklahoma.
Us B1G West teams want KU and OU.
I will be shocked if KU isn't B1G by 2020.
Us B1G West teams want KU and OU.
I will be shocked if KU isn't B1G by 2020.
I would hazard a guess that the B1G would accept Notre Dame as a member despite Notre Dame NOT being an AAU member institution.
AAU membership is a preference, but not a requirement. There are probably only a few non-AAU schools the B1G would accept (non-AAU candidates would need to be huge Blue Blood brand names and/or located in large markets). Notre Dame and Oklahoma would probably be on the very short list of non-AAU members which would be accepted for B1G membership (also...despite not being an AAU member, OU does have a medical school, which helps OU's case for being acceptable for B1G membership).
IF the B1G were to expand to 16... I would like to see Oklahoma and Kansas as the new members (and then move Purdue over to the East Division).
FSU doesnt fit academically. Its the 4th best school in Fla...maybe even 5th academically. UF would be the logical choice as the best school in Fla but I dont see them leaving the SEC.
The B10 isnt expanding anytime soon anyway.
The B10 isnt expanding anytime soon anyway.
I look at this really selfishly. UConn in the Big Ten would only hurt Rutgers in terms of recruiting, visibility and hoops. As one poster pointed out, ESPN would be all over UConn. Plus UConn is the worst road trip I ever took. As far as a natural rivalry for us, think Penn State, not UConn.
UVA is a great college town, would be putting a football team in the league that we could more than compete with and would increase viewership in the south. Mostly, I just love Charlottesville and if we retired there, I would still get to see RU often.
I get why people hate Notre Dame (I'm no big fan either) but mostly when you think of the Big Ten even today, you think Midwest football, Notre Dame/Michigan etc. Still, the economics of bringing in Texas are undeniable.
UVA is a great college town, would be putting a football team in the league that we could more than compete with and would increase viewership in the south. Mostly, I just love Charlottesville and if we retired there, I would still get to see RU often.
I get why people hate Notre Dame (I'm no big fan either) but mostly when you think of the Big Ten even today, you think Midwest football, Notre Dame/Michigan etc. Still, the economics of bringing in Texas are undeniable.
My preference is to hold at 14.
Virginia is such a weird place, I'm not sure they would elect to join. UVA is a proud southern school and have long been proud of their ACC (which has long been a southern dominated league, but with more northern members than ever, these days). Virginia's legislature also likes to keep UVA and VT together. I'm not sure Mr. Jefferson's University is much of a cultural fit in the B1G. Maryland was a much more obvious fit. UVA's size and academic profile more closely align with the ACC than with B1G. They're where they belong. I guess enough money could convince them to try it but I'd hate to see it backfire for UVA. Even with a B1G conference slate it'll be difficult to wrestle Virginians' eyeballs away from VT. They own the state.
Virginia is such a weird place, I'm not sure they would elect to join. UVA is a proud southern school and have long been proud of their ACC (which has long been a southern dominated league, but with more northern members than ever, these days). Virginia's legislature also likes to keep UVA and VT together. I'm not sure Mr. Jefferson's University is much of a cultural fit in the B1G. Maryland was a much more obvious fit. UVA's size and academic profile more closely align with the ACC than with B1G. They're where they belong. I guess enough money could convince them to try it but I'd hate to see it backfire for UVA. Even with a B1G conference slate it'll be difficult to wrestle Virginians' eyeballs away from VT. They own the state.
The ACC doesn't really have a culture, per se. Try to describe an ACC school in one sentence. It's impossible. There are catholic schools, small private schools, technology/engineering schools, second tier state schools, and two large landgrant research schools. It's one of the things that annoyed me about the ACC. There wasn't really a common thread.
Contrast that with the Big Ten, which can be summarized in one sentence: Big Ten member institutions are predominantly major flagship universities that have large financial endowments and are well-regarded academically and athletically. There are striations, for sure, but that's our culture. I love that about the B1G.
Totally agree with this. The ACC really is a cluster f*** when it comes to identity.
One thing that could make it difficult for UVA is that they are a charter member of the ACC.
Wasn't Maryland a charter member?
UAV will move if they feel their ACC membership is hindering them more than helping them
Agree this will happen. Because Texas wants to be in a conference with ND and both want absolute power over the conference they are in. These two would dictate the new divisional alignments in their favor and just run the ACC. It is likely that Kansas state, Iowa state and Texas tech will just assimilate into the Group of 5.
On College Sports Nation a couple days ago it was suggested that expanding with schools that aren't football powerhouses might be desirable, as long as they brought something else to the table. The theory was with the move to 9 conference games having an in conference "cupcake" built in to the schedule would be ok.
To me that something else is location and with the population growth shifting SE I don't see Kansas fitting that bill, Oklahoma maybe, but their academics are not B1G quality currently. Really any Big 12 school doesn't make sense from the location standpoint, sans Texas but there's many issues with Texas that have been brought up already. And that kind of s*cks because the Big 12 is the conference most likely to dissolve in the next round of expansion if they stay at 10 teams.
ND and the B1G have made sense for 20+ years and it hasn't happened yet. Their TV contract with NBC was a financial windfall at the time but they have been getting less TV money than Purdue and Indiana for quite sometime. So keeping that contact has really been a point of pride and keeping their "national brand" alive. Maybe once a la carte programming takes off ND and the B1G will finally come to fruition, but maybe being on a free OTA channel becomes even more desirable?
Today I would think that the most desirable expansion candidates are:
ND
UVA/VA Tech
UNC
GA Tech
But 5 years from now when expansion is more likely maybe a school like UCF brings their academic profile up and they make sense.
If I'm crystal balling this. The Big 12 adds 2 - 4 G5 teams to stabilize the conference, because what A5 team is going to want to move and deal with Texas. I think Cinny, UCF would be top candidates. The B1G and SEC stay at 14, ND maintains their quasi ACC affiliation and expansion/realignment is more or less over.
Because of that if the B1G really has intentions of moving to 16 and moving SE adding An ECU and UCF now before the big 12 stabilizes might be smart.
To me that something else is location and with the population growth shifting SE I don't see Kansas fitting that bill, Oklahoma maybe, but their academics are not B1G quality currently. Really any Big 12 school doesn't make sense from the location standpoint, sans Texas but there's many issues with Texas that have been brought up already. And that kind of s*cks because the Big 12 is the conference most likely to dissolve in the next round of expansion if they stay at 10 teams.
ND and the B1G have made sense for 20+ years and it hasn't happened yet. Their TV contract with NBC was a financial windfall at the time but they have been getting less TV money than Purdue and Indiana for quite sometime. So keeping that contact has really been a point of pride and keeping their "national brand" alive. Maybe once a la carte programming takes off ND and the B1G will finally come to fruition, but maybe being on a free OTA channel becomes even more desirable?
Today I would think that the most desirable expansion candidates are:
ND
UVA/VA Tech
UNC
GA Tech
But 5 years from now when expansion is more likely maybe a school like UCF brings their academic profile up and they make sense.
If I'm crystal balling this. The Big 12 adds 2 - 4 G5 teams to stabilize the conference, because what A5 team is going to want to move and deal with Texas. I think Cinny, UCF would be top candidates. The B1G and SEC stay at 14, ND maintains their quasi ACC affiliation and expansion/realignment is more or less over.
Because of that if the B1G really has intentions of moving to 16 and moving SE adding An ECU and UCF now before the big 12 stabilizes might be smart.
AAU is not a hard and fast requirement. Why some people continue to believe this I don't know. And before you give me the Nebraska was at the time they joined speech, save it. Everyone already knew that Nebraska was likely on the way out from the AAU by then.
That being said, for a school like UConn it could be the thing that breaks the deal but for a school like Oklahoma it would be a mere bump in the road.
then whats your point in inviting them...the Big 10 just invites them to be a bottom feeder that everyone can beat up on. That's why its pretty crazy to bring their name up...they bring nothing to the table and by some remote chance they did get good, it would only hurt Rutgers
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Some don't see the big picture. They don't bother to see view all the pros and cons of adding a "competing" school from the same region.
Harvard and Yale have a better chance of being 15 and 16 than ECU and UCF.
Probably but if the big 12 stabilizes then where does the B1G expand if they desire to go to 16 or more. The B12 seems to have more options for stabilization than the B1G does for expansion.
UVA and UNC or Texas and either UVA or UNC. I like Texas a lot but question what king of "conference mate" Texas would be. They destroyed the old Southwest conference and have hurt the Big 12...
The person you quoted is mistaken in believing NCAA calls the shots. But the basic point is valid. The day the cartel previously known as the BCS, now the College Football Playoff committee, that runs the championship decides conference membership is a requirement to being in the race Notre Dame is going to have to make a hard decision.
More accurately - when the conference become more powerful than the TV networks (which will happen soon enough, as everything goes on demand through the content provider - the HBOGo/ESPN3/BTN2Go model, then ND is going to out of luck.
That's exactly what everyone in the midwest said when we were brought in, that we we were brought in to be a bottom feeder team that brings noting to the table. Obviously that is not true, and I don't believe it's true for UCONN.
They bring in strong academics, they fit the bill as a state flagship university that fully OWNS the #30 television market (Hartford/New Haven) and like us with NYC DMA, makes a dent into the Boston market. The most populous county in CT is also in the NYC DMA, and with their basketball success, they he also received interest from the NYC market, not for football, but for basketball, something the BTN and the league would surely welcome.
What they also bring is another chance for other teams to come to the Northeast, so for Big Ten alumni in the Boston, or NYC are, it's another chance in addition to the trip for our game, to watch their team play.
Selfishly, what they do for us is provide a legit rival. Our schools are very similar, in many ways (both state flagship, both land grant, both strong academically) and as much as we like to consider PSU our rival, they do not feel the same way. Maybe in 10 or 20 years that changes, but it ain't happening anytime soon with those jackasses.
It's a close road trip in a league where we only have two other close road trips....so that makes the football watching experience all the better.
They also strengthen the league on the backs of their very successful basketball programs and olympic sports.
Plus, it's fun to hate them. Nothing worse than playing against teams that you just don't care about, and with UCONN, it was always one of the two games (Syracuse being the other) that I absolutely HATED to lose.
That is what a rivalry is all about, and why we mocked Cuse for saying they didn't consider us a rival, yet they were absolutely obsessed with talking about us on their fan boards....and wanted to beat us more than any team on their schedule.
I'm not afraid of UCONN, and I think anyone that is afraid of them because they might be successful and how it might impact us are a bunch of p&ssies.
I know many disagree with me, maybe even most......but it's not like the reasons I listed are not valid.
They definitely do make sense in many ways.
All that being said, I love the idea of bringing in Oklahoma and Kansas, and shifting Purdue to the Big Ten East Division. That would be an amazing outcome for the league.
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Don't get me wrong ND joining the B1G is far from my wishes.
My preference is for them to fade into Holy Cross/Fordam like oblivion. For the kids out there there was a time, pre-Knute Rockne, that those schools were championship contenders and the standard bearers for catholic football and nobody knew about or cared what Notre Dame football was. I might not live to see history repeat itself but I can hope.
UVA is not going anywhere without Va Tech. State politics forced Va Tech over Syracuse to the ACC in the first raid of the Big East, so they certainly won't let UVA go somewhere else without the Hokies. Also, while UVA has been down in football recently, it's not that long ago that they were pretty strong, plus they have had very strong basketball, baseball and lacrosse recently and in the past.
Notre Dame is NOT joining any conference....but if they are forced to, and they feel the Big Ten is where they want to be, they will break that contract with the ACC as fast as Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri broke their deal with the Big 12 and left for another.
It was an embarrassment to have to play Uconn as a "conference member". You cannot put them in the same category as traditional eastern football rivals like SU, Pitt, WVU, BC and other original Big East football teams including Temple. As I said above, they bring NOTHING to the table that would help the Big Ten and as mentioned by many others, their entry would only take attention away from RU in the northeast. I can't stand them, not because they are a hated rival but more because their fans don't know the meaning of the word.
By the time this December rolls around after another 2 and 10 season, Uconn won't even be an afterthought and the few fans they have that haven't jumped off the bridge will be calling for them to drop back to FCS status where they might stand a chance of competing.
By the time this December rolls around after another 2 and 10 season, Uconn won't even be an afterthought and the few fans they have that haven't jumped off the bridge will be calling for them to drop back to FCS status where they might stand a chance of competing.
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people continue to believe that the AAU is a requirement when you hear from Presidents and BOG say it is so.
Remember it is these people who vote on any school's acceptance and guess what; Presidents and BOG do not give a $hit about football or market share or BTN revenue but about prestige and academic standing!
PS any one want to make a $100 bet that outside of ND any B1G expansion team will be AAU school?
Cincy for geographical and athletic purposes. I don't know a thing about their academics. And I thought Iowas St to give Iowa a true rivalry within B1G and to add a team to West to match Cincy in East.
If UVA and VT - (non-AAU) wanted to come in to the B1G as a package, they would vote yes today. But for the most part, I agree AAU membership is a must.
People worrying about Texas being a bully like they have been in the Big12 have to consider this.
OSU
Michigan
PSU
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Nebraska
No single school is going to force their will on these programs or the conference as a whole. I believe it's a main reason why ND will never join as they want to be the one dictating terms.
OSU
Michigan
PSU
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Nebraska
No single school is going to force their will on these programs or the conference as a whole. I believe it's a main reason why ND will never join as they want to be the one dictating terms.
ND. Even if B1G is not looking to expand and the current makeup is "perfect" as said above, the Conf would change course for ND. But right now ND is still not interested.
I guess the same could be said about Texas.
UConn would bring very respectable b-ball programs, but that's not what realignment is about anymore. It's about football, and not on the field success but tv market and recruiting footprint. I don't think UConn brings enough in either regard.
In regards to the Virginia schools, is that law still in place that keeps them both in a single conf?
UCF is interesting. Does B1G want a Florida school? That would be another significant expansion of footprint. Obviously fertile recruiting ground and TV market. Would B1G want an up and comer and not an established school ala FSU?
I guess the same could be said about Texas.
UConn would bring very respectable b-ball programs, but that's not what realignment is about anymore. It's about football, and not on the field success but tv market and recruiting footprint. I don't think UConn brings enough in either regard.
In regards to the Virginia schools, is that law still in place that keeps them both in a single conf?
UCF is interesting. Does B1G want a Florida school? That would be another significant expansion of footprint. Obviously fertile recruiting ground and TV market. Would B1G want an up and comer and not an established school ala FSU?
The Big 12 has more options because they can't afford to be as picky at the B1G can. The Big Ten is still going to make significantly more money than the Big 12 or the ACC. So, if the B1G wants to expand, they'll explore their options with flagship universities in areas they want to expand to. Let's remember, it's not just about football and location. For one, the smallest endowments currently in the conference are Rutgers and Maryland, both just under $1 billion. Iowa, Nebraska and Indiana are the only other schools with less than $2 billion. ECU and UCF are at $144 million and $135 million respectively. ECU is a tier 2 school when we're debating on whether the conference would take a non-AAU accredited university.
In addtion, neither is going to bring any additional pie to the table, so you just have to cut everyone else's pieces smaller. Neither is going to get the BTN on basic cable in their state and neither is bringing any juice to the national contracts.
Unless they want to join the B1G, in which case they just break the contract and go to the B1G. They may have to pay some penalties or some fees, but it won't stop them if that's where they want to go.
Not exactly true. The reason there was pressure put on to move VT was they fear that the Big East would no longer be viable as a power conference. If UVA went to the B1G and VT went to the SEC, or UVA left and a suitable replacement were brought in the ACC, I don't think they'd have to stay together. The fear is one being relegated to Group of 5 status. These same concerns should be considered in the Big 12 as well, K-State, Okie State, Iowa State and a number of the Texas schools will need landing spots, likely in Power 5 conferences, for some of the other schools to move.
No one already in the footprint, except Notre Dame, will be on the candidate list. They don't bring any new markets, they're not flagship universities and they don't bring enough athletically to overcome the first two obstacles.
