Big Ten Expansion

[RU_DIO]

Virginia and UNC make a lot of sense. Good tv markets, growing populations and state schools.with beautiful.campuses and good academics. UNC basketball.is a.dominant program. I would imagine football would improve for both being in the B1G and would further open up recruiting for the B1G in Virginia and North Carolina

 

[Knight_Light]

You can't say UVA brings nothing to the table. Their FB recruiting has been solid; their coach has to go. In BB, BB, Lax, Soccer, Swimming they are top 20 programs. Football will get better when they change coaches

As been shown by past expansion decisions, minor olympic sports don't even carry 1% of the final decision factors in regards to which teams get invited to join.

90% plus is TV Market/growth...maybe 7% more football side...and about 2.5% on the men's basketball side...the remaining sports/factors are minimal, if that.

 

[Nosoj]

Agreed, I'd call it weighting each parameter so depending on how the winds blow certain parameters might be weighted more heavily in the future than they are now. It would then be easy to adjust the parameter's weight accordingly.

They'd definitely have to be weighted, heavily towards Brand and Location/TV value, followed by academics.

 

[PatrickRU92]

wow here we are in the B1G and we're still having the same old expansion thread.

Well I'll say the same things I said when we were in the Big East:

With the possible exception of BYU--whom the B1G would never let in, there are a grand total of ZERO valuable properties out there who are not already in a Power5 conference. None. Nada, zippo, zilch,zero, nobody. UConn, ECU, UCF, Cincy, Tulane,UT San Antonio (remember that one???), Georgia St, USF etc, bring nothing to a major power conference, and PLEASE don't tell me they bring markets-they do not. The markets for these schools all belong already to their bigger brothers, the state flagship U's. And that goes for Pitt as well.

And YES WE WERE AND ARE different which is why we are we are. We may not OWN the NYC market but the NJ market is massive, and we will get some of the ultra-massive NYC market too.

I have seen Gtech as a possibility here thrown around--the B1G can do way better. Gtech is an afterthought in SEC land. That market is owned 30 times over by the Bulldogs and that will never change. UNC is damaged goods, and I agree with the poster above about UVa being a poor cultural fit--they are southern through and through.

Hoping that our B1G conference stands pat. (wow that still sounds weird)

 

[AntiG]

Duke, although unlikely, is interesting. As a private school that is not the primary school in its state, it doesn't fit the mold that the B1G is looking for. However, its basketball brand is national and its academics are great. I don't think the B1G takes Duke by itself, but it would be interesting if there was a UNC / Duke package in play.

They, along with Rice, aren't the typical B1G team, but fit in very well with the research/academically oriented focus of the conference and bring huge markets and recruiting grounds into play, much like how Northwestern, U of Chicago and Johns Hopkins benefits or will benefit the B1G/CIC. Additionally both have rapidly improved in their football programs, and have plenty of great history. Duke brings the arguably the best basketball program in the country, one of the elite lacrosse programs, and one of the best all-around sports programs nationally, while Rice brings a strong women's basketball program and arguably the best baseball program in the country. And of course their science, technology and political connections go quite far, with many Duke alums all over Wall Street and in DC, and Rice having their partnership with NASA.

Getting up to 20 with additions of Texas, Oklahoma, Duke, Rice, and two of Georgia Tech/Florida State/Kansas/UNC/UVA would be a pretty amazing haul.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Oh I would take UVA and UNC in a second. They fit the academic/athletic profile and are in contiguous states along eastern seaboard. Question is would either leave the ACC? Especially if ND were a member?? I doubt it.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Encourage Villanova to bump up their football program to FBS level and bring them in. A visionary league commissioner would see that as the obvious answer. :sunglasses:

OMG isn't it absolutely fracking INSANE that the CYO Crew saw this as a viable solution??? And you didn't even mention them playing in an off campus 20000 seat "stadium" Thank the gods we are B1G

 

[BoogieKnight]

I don't want B1Gto expand either. However, looking down the line, way down the line, I think the 4 super conferences of 16 schools each will eventually come to fruition and you may even see conference championship games prior to conference championship games as part of the playoff. This would force ND's hand to join a conference or be left out of national title picture. So there in lies the point of this thread.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Meanwhile the Big Ten did expand again... In Women's LAX.

JHU now has all of their D1 sports in the Big Ten.

GOR will prevent any more expansion other than Big 12 adding more schools some day.

 

[wheezer]

Oh I would take UVA and UNC in a second. They fit the academic/athletic profile and are in contiguous states along eastern seaboard. Question is would either leave the ACC? Especially if ND were a member?? I doubt it.

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Except our division would be more than likely a big east / acc hybrid ...

I was thrilled when we joined the big 10 and we have a big 10 schedule now

Your expansion PROBABLY destroys that forever

 

[BoogieKnight]

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Except our division would be more than likely a big east / acc hybrid ...

I was thrilled when we joined the big 10 and we have a big 10 schedule now

Your expansion PROBABLY destroys that forever

I agree with you. Would not like to be in a division or pod with Maryland, UVA and UNC. And I don't think this will happen. I really think the Big12 will implode and the ACC will survive.

 

[RUnTime]

UVA & UNC are both southern schools and not a good cultural fit with Big Ten schools. UNC & UVA in the B1G will never happen.

If ND wants in a conference for all sports it will be Notre Dame and name that school (Kansas/Oklahoma). I do not see the Big Ten expanding again without ND. ND was very close to joining the B1G x# of years ago.

 

[NJBorn]

BC's name came up years ago, once with Notre Dame and again 2 years ago as part of the hockey league.

 

[BoogieKnight]

ND and Kansas...what a coup for men's basketball.

 

[NickyNewark51]

BC's name came up years ago, once with Notre Dame and again 2 years ago as part of the hockey league.

By who? Outside of ND wanting them as a partner i don't see it? Their barely an ACC quality team.

 

[Abro1975]

Except Basketball is irrelevant. Which is why the Big12 was willing to toss Kansas to the curb the last Big12 go round. It's all about Football. I don't see the Big 10 expanding again for a long time. Not until there are 4 conferences of 16-20 teams. Tommy Tuberville, Pres. of the College Football Coaches Assoc, said D1 coaches have been saying behind closed doors that that will be the set up sooner, rather than later. I'm betting the Big12 will be absorbed by the other 4 conferences.

ND and Kansas...what a coup for men's basketball.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Except Basketball is irrelevant. Which is why the Big12 was willing to toss Kansas to the curb the last Big12 go round. It's all about Football. I don't see the Big 10 expanding again for a long time. Not until there are 4 conferences of 16-20 teams. Tommy Tuberville, Pres. of the College Football Coaches Assoc, said D1 coaches have been saying behind closed doors that that will be the set up sooner, rather than later. I'm betting the Big12 will be absorbed by the other 4 conferences.

More than 1or 2 will find themselves homeless....Texas has too many little brothers.

 

[Upstream]

4.) The issue with Virginia state politics with getting Va Tech and not Syracuse into the ACC in 2004 was a question of leaving one of the two big state schools in a non BCS conference. Those dynamics are less likely in play unless the ACC completely implodes.

5.) The NC and Virginia schools will definitely not want to leave the other hanging..Va ad Va Tech and NC State/UNC. This will potentially leave Jim Delany in a bind if the SEC comes and takes two ACC schools that are not named Va Tech and NC State. If it does....then the big 10 taking UVa, and UNC.

6.) I have maintained the SEC is in a really interesting spot here. They can push west and get Texas and Oklahoma or geographically balance two eastern schools. But the two best eastern schools do not bring something to the table they don't already have (FSU and Clemson) and if it is about markets, then Virginia Tech and NC State are possible fits.

Delaney wants UNC and UVA, flagship state universities in large states contiguous to existing B10 states, locking up the east coast for the B10.

The scenario is for VT and NCSt to go to the SEC and UNC and UVA to go to the B10. UNC would not leave the ACC unless there was a threat of the ACC falling apart. And since UNC and NC State are part of the same university, reporting to the same governing board, UNC would not hasten the decline of the ACC without a landing spot for NC State.

So right now Delaney is biding his time until the ACC starts to crack, which he is convinced will eventually happen, as Swofford has made some poor media deals. If the ACC shows cracks, it will probably be prompted by FSU and/or Clemson concerned that they can't keep up financially with the big boys while in the ACC.

 

[el_norte]

Connecticut and Iowa State

Split into 4 pods

Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

Michigan, MSU, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue

Connecticut, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers

Scheduling: play the other three teams in your pod each year + half of each other pod, rotating every two years. This way every team will play through the whole conference every four years.

Also, you need to add hockey.

Big TEN hockey:

Connecticut
Illinois (new program)
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
North Dakota (affiliate member, see JHU)
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers (new program)
Wisconsin

 

[wheezer]

Connecticut and Iowa State

Split into 4 pods

Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

Michigan, MSU, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue

Connecticut, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers

Scheduling: play the other three teams in your pod each year + half of each other pod, rotating every two years. This way every team will play through the whole conference every four years.

Also, you need to add hockey.

Big TEN hockey:

Connecticut
Illinois (new program)
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
North Dakota (affiliate member, see JHU)
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers (new program)
Wisconsin

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So we lose Michigan, Ohio state and Michigan state as regular match ups, and get to play uconn yearly.... Just f'n great! Yeah, this was always my big 10 dream.

If we must add teams I would hope they are two from out west....this would probably keep our division just about the same..... What is considered east will remain so

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

This is a fascinating discussion...as a Rutgers and Texas A&M fan and alumnus...I can truly say that both my schools got an A+ in realignment...both are in the conference that fits then best...and both will thrive, economically and athletically...contrary to 2011 belief, A&M has enjoyed stunning success across the board in the SEC and holds its own in the sport that counts; football! A 1/2 billion dollar stadium is testimony to that!

Rutgers has a bit longer road to travel from...but the potential of a school in this area is simply staggering!!!

I personally believe that a 14 team conference is ideal...but I do love that a school like Texas is in the spot it is. They will always do well, but if they go to the big ten, the geography of said arrangement is a tough one with most conference mates far away. The same goes for the PAC! Yes, I fully realize that Texas will always be a top 5 revenue makes and that RU and A&M may never be able to match that, but our current vantage point is better!!

Another argument lost is the many tag alongs that Texas now has! People underestimate the politics of any possible b12 destruction. Would Texas be a big get for the B1G...yikes yes! I personally do not see it happening...maybe the ACC or PAC.

If you ever get a chance see "SEC Ready" see it...it is admittedly very A&M centric but it gives a crazy good look at the 2010-2011 labyrinth and minefield of politics A&M had to navigate to do what it did! The school president deserves a statue! As a fan, I still find it shocking that we were able to dialodge ourselves from under the castrated bovines! Shocking, really!

If the B1G expands I hope it would be into Virginia...but hope we stay at 14...regardless realignment is over for us! Rutgers is set!

 

[RUforlife]

How about UConn and Syracuse. That would bring in those lucrative Hartford and Northern Finger Lakes regions. LOL!!

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Reading some of the suggestions in this thread, I am blown away as to how people still don't understand how expansion works.

 

[Nosoj]

I cannot emphasize this strongly enough: Iowa State will never be in the Big Ten. I know, never say never...I'm saying it. If there are infinite universes out there, Iowa State is not in the Big Ten in any of them. They're probably about 100th on the list of candidates, somewhere between Buffalo and South Dakota State and well below Noone.

The only possible scenario that leads to Iowa State joining the Big Ten is the population of Iowa increasing 10fold in the next decade while Iowa State wins several national titles in both football and basketball.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Schools like Iowa State, Texas Tech, and yes, Kansas state, will find themselves in the Group of 5 when all is said and done. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if Kansas is left out of major conf football too which for them really won't matter because basketball is all that matters to them. And WVU better be careful...I'm willing to bet the ACC never takes them. I'm saying it now...this Big 12 is a disaster waiting to happen (again).

 

[el_norte]

Reading some of the suggestions in this thread, I am blown away as to how people still don't understand how expansion works.

I am blown away everytime someone responds like this, being that the OP's question was not who WILL BE # 15 and #16 but actually was who WOULD YOU LIKE to see added. Big difference there. My suggestions were Iowa State and Connecticut because that is who I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I've been around long enough to know they aren't candidates because they won't bring the money required for expansion. BUT, being a midwesterner/northerner, and a B1G fan, I would prefer more midwestern/northern public research schools (like ISU and UConn) and not southern schools like UVA, UNC, Vandy, Missouri, Georgia Tech, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas.

 

[Section118]

I like the multiple idiots in this thread with "
I hate Notre Dame, but I'd like them to join the B1G".

 

[knights1212]

I think the league is fine at 14. Why do we need more teams?

 

[NickyNewark51]

I cannot emphasize this strongly enough: Iowa State will never be in the Big Ten. I know, never say never...I'm saying it. If there are infinite universes out there, Iowa State is not in the Big Ten in any of them. They're probably about 100th on the list of candidates, somewhere between Buffalo and South Dakota State and well below Noone.

The only possible scenario that leads to Iowa State joining the Big Ten is the population of Iowa increasing 10fold in the next decade while Iowa State wins several national titles in both football and basketball.

Or if a ND or Texas demands them as a come along. Possibly even a NC cause we all know how much Delany wants his alma mater in the B1G though I'd prefer coastal UVa.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I am blown away everytime someone responds like this, being that the OP's question was not who WILL BE # 15 and #16 but actually was who WOULD YOU LIKE to see added. Big difference there. My suggestions were Iowa State and Connecticut because that is who I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I've been around long enough to know they aren't candidates because they won't bring the money required for expansion. BUT, being a midwesterner/northerner, and a B1G fan, I would prefer more midwestern/northern public research schools (like ISU and UConn) and not southern schools like UVA, UNC, Vandy, Missouri, Georgia Tech, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas.

I as a native NJ/NYC area guy also have a soft spot for both schools you like. I feel worried for ISU and hope someone recognizes their value academically and dedicated decent following. UConn needs more fan support in the sport that counts!!

 

[FlintTown]

wow here we are in the B1G and we're still having the same old expansion thread.

I have seen Gtech as a possibility here thrown around--the B1G can do way better. Gtech is an afterthought in SEC land. That market is owned 30 times over by the Bulldogs and that will never change. UNC is damaged goods, and I agree with the poster above about UVa being a poor cultural fit--they are southern through and through.

Hoping that our B1G conference stands pat. (wow that still sounds weird)

No kidding. How the Georgia Tech idea continues to float around is beyond me. A small school with a small fan base that's #2 in their own state. Not a chance in hell.

 

[Knight_Light]

Connecticut and Iowa State

Split into 4 pods

Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

Big Ten TV Network already has 100% penetration into the small state of Iowa. Adding the lesser team from that small state wouldn't add one dime to future Big Ten TV $$$, be it from the Big Ten TV Network nor from future Conf TV Contract negotiations.

Almost all P5 expansion is based off increased TV $$$...yet some still don't understand that basic fact. (UCONN comments have already been discussed in this thread).

 

[Knight_Light]

No kidding. How the Georgia Tech idea continues to float around is beyond me. A small school with a small fan base that's #2 in their own state. Not a chance in hell.

Ga Tech has let it be known that they are not guaranteeing the next 100 years to the ACC.

As long as Ga Tech is stuck in this lesser football conf, they know they can never grow their fanbase in ATL.

However, if Ga Tech ever made the bold move to the Big Ten, while they won't reach UGA levels, they will instantly gained a heck of a lot more traction, from Ga Tech alum and from tons of Big Ten alumni in ATL and $10 Million - $20 Million added revenue vs what they are scheduled to earn in the ACC.

Remember, Big Ten went after TV markets with RU and MD...and if Big Ten ever got into ATL...it would be extremely valuable.

 

[pawildcat]

My first choice is to do absolutely nothing.

My grand slam would be Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and either VaTech or UVA in the East.

Slide Purdue and maybe Northwestern over to the East.

In case White Bus is reading, I know the LHN would be a huge hurdle to clear. :)

NorthWESTERN in the East, eh? Doubt we'd go for it.

 

[Abro1975]

I heard the President of the College Football Coaches Association, Tommy Tuberville, on Sirius's CFB station last week. He was asked about where he thinks realignment and expansion will go. I'll paraphrase his answer:
He said the majority of D1 coaches he talks to feel in the near future there will be 4 conferences of 16-20 teams, with an 8 game playoff.
He didn't say which conference would be absorbed, but he did touch on the instability of the Big12.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

What does "near future" mean? (I'm asking what you think it means...?)

16-20 team conferences are a waste with a big chunk of it that you'll rarely play!

Also, super conferences are not needed to get an 8 team playoff going...5 conference champs and 3 at large...done!

 

[eceres]

16-20 team conferences are a waste with a big chunk of it that you'll rarely play!

This is incorrect - 16 team pods work way easier than 14 divisions.

At 9 confrence games...
2- 7 team divisions = 6 teams played every year, 7 teams played every 2-3 (2.33avg) years (or 7 teams played every year & 3 years other teams if you do protected rivalry)

4- 4 team pods = 3 teams played every year, 12 teams played every 2 years (4 teams played every year, 11 teams played every 2-3(2.1avg) years.

So if you do pods and no cross overs every 4 years is a home/home with everyone.

 

[AntiG]

Ga Tech has let it be known that they are not guaranteeing the next 100 years to the ACC.

As long as Ga Tech is stuck in this lesser football conf, they know they can never grow their fanbase in ATL.

However, if Ga Tech ever made the bold move to the Big Ten, while they won't reach UGA levels, they will instantly gained a heck of a lot more traction, from Ga Tech alum and from tons of Big Ten alumni in ATL and $10 Million - $20 Million added revenue vs what they are scheduled to earn in the ACC.

Remember, Big Ten went after TV markets with RU and MD...and if Big Ten ever got into ATL...it would be extremely valuable.

The B1G offered them alongside Virginia, Duke and UNC after they took Maryland and Rutgers, but once UNC stuck with the ACC, the others followed suit... It would have stretched the BTN all the way down the eastern seaboard.

 

[Upstream]

The B1G offered them alongside Virginia, Duke and UNC after they took Maryland and Rutgers, but once UNC stuck with the ACC, the others followed suit... It would have stretched the BTN all the way down the eastern seaboard.

The B10 offered membership to Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, and Duke? No, they didn't.

 

[mosito]

they bring zero to the table in football and that's what its about. Their basketball could not even get them a ACC invite. Can you give me one thing that they bring in football that is relevant to expansion.

Kansas brings Zero... well .1 since they are good in basketball...
no recruiting grounds, no TV sets, no football... in other words nothing...

Virginia and North Carolina are my choices. they bring a growing population, recruits, and for those who care, Basketball...

Only way I take Kansas is if it brings Texas, but in that case I would prefer Oklahoma. Norte Dame only if it came in with Virginia or North Carolina.