Brandin Knight
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. Knight has the least experience on the staff if you are not including Dougher. The rest of the staff is highly experienced. It is a very strong staff. It is no surprise Knight is not the best person on the staff.
With Carter, FIG is right in looking at his past games. He had an average year of 8 rebounds, 8 pioints or so, but he did not get the same minutes in the past couple of games. What are we expecting from him?A 30 minute player. Seems kind of unlikely.
Pikiell has mentioned the play of Johnson. He might not be extrodinary, but I have a feeling he helps given the length of his arms, and the IQ he brings to the table. You are going to see a smart player who will find 10-15 minutes.
You mean, "Because he has the least amount of experience on the staff, I believe..." or "Once can assume..." I think this is a very good staff. I truly don't not know who is the best or worst coach on the team and imagine they all have the different strengths and weaknesses that compliment other members. I am assuming this.
If I was to judge the staff, not that it matters, based on coaching and instructions-
1Pikiell- enthusiasm, dedication, willingness to relate to players
2 Jay Young- Dedication to bigs, knowledge of defensive principles, attention to detail, improvement of past players
3Karl Hobbs- Experience at high level schools, and proper instruction and ability to form relationships, highly professional in approach
4Knight- Young coach, experience as assistant, relates to players
There has been video on all of these coaches. I was most impressed with the top three. One might even argue Jay Young is the best coach on the staff. It really doesn't matter. But if one coach was to leave, Knight leaving would not change the trajactory. If Jay Young left, Rutgers would have a big hole to fill.
Very strong staff from an outsiders perspective. Best from the top down in the last ten years. I would say that without doubt.
If I am a recruit and I look at these coaches, I am signing the dotted line. Some still have not unfortunately.
If I am a recruit and I look at these coaches, I am signing the dotted line. Some still have not unfortunately.
Well I appreciate you calling Knight young, because he's 36 and only 2 years younger than me. Phew.
Also, I don't think you can make assumptions on what roles each person/coach fills based on 2 minute videos made by Rutgers.
38 is still very young. Age is a number. Also, it is how your joints feel, lol.
I like the visuals, and look at the dedication to instruction shown in them. I was not extremely impressed with Knight video. You are right, it was only two minutes. I have also chatted back and fourth with Jay Young a couple of times, and he was shared a lot of information. You can tell he takes the job very seriously, and is skilled.
An instructor for the employer I work for used to babysit Pikiells kids in Long Island. She was highly complimentary of the family. Like a lot of people.
You were not impressed with a 2 minute Knight video in practice? We all saw those of him running the guards thru drills. With all due respect, your view point means Jack Shit. You have no idea how valuable he may or may not be as a Coach. All of a sudden Knight is getting looks from PITT and you are coming here taking shots at him... Smh
All these coaches are very good and we need all of them to stay the course.
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I have observed Knight at practice as well as all of the coaches. He is excellent. He instructs our guards how to get up close and into an offensive players grill. I would not sell him short. All of our coaches are excellent. Pikiell trusts Knight as well as the other two assistants (Hobbs and Young). They all have been with Pikiell many times on recruiting trips. Trust me Brandon is just as important as the other assistants in my opinion.
I am just stating what I thought. It was not a very strong take. Given levels of experience I don’t think he is the best coach on the the staff. I even said it was a very strong staff.
If Knight is a family member, I apologize. It’s only a message board where people can state their opinions, right?
No.
Come On Man....you looked at a 2 two minutes and doubted Knight's dedication to instruction...that's an opinion, yes, Bullshit , YES. He was working the guards hard. What lack of dedication did you see ?
Here's your comment....I like the visuals, and look at the dedication to instruction shown in them. I was not extremely impressed with Knight video.
There is stating an opinion and then there is posturing based upon lazy assumptions and poor analysis. You’re falling into the latter camp right now. It comes across as ignorant, so you’re aware.
I wasn’t, and you are right it was one video. I shouldn’t male an op off one video.
You are right. I think this would be a hard staff to be the best on. It is a very strong staff as I stated.
IMO, The videos they put out on Knight serve a purpose. They want to emphasize his youth and how he relates to players. And, they also display his knowledge in drilling guards on how they need to play on the court. They are well choreographed as are all the coach videos when they are mic'd up.
No one is disputing that he is the least experienced of the 3 assistants. .. but, still a damn good coach and we need to keep him around for a while, even if it means a raise.
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I don't follow things closely with recruiting. If he was involved with Strickland and watched him go to Wisconsin I can see him looking to make a view and going to Pitt would be convenient.
My reasoning was based upon how he left there. That's why I don't think he would go back to Pitt. But I could see him going somewhere else to climb the coaching ladder. He has two very experienced guys in front of him so he might need to leave to advance. I also think there would be a lot of interest in him from the outside.
I can tell you don't follow things closely regarding our program..at all.
He keeps coaching the way he has, including the positive energy and other improvements around the program, and the recruiting will get easier for the staff. Continued development of the program will lead to better results on the court (incrementally), which will lead to more recruits believing in the vision. BUT, to expect it in 2 or 3 years is not realistic.
The jury is still out on the current recruiting cycle. I want to see how the open roster spots are filled. I trust this staff to get it done.
FIG has forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know...lol. Big deal, he did not know that Hobbs was the primary on Strickland. I guess you missed the part about "not following things closely with recruiting" in his comment.. . Duh
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I dont think you picked 3 very good examples. I am not going to touch the Rice one because we'll just go around in circles. But claiming you were first on Rosario or Jordan is silly. Many of us were all over that very early as well. But the difference is in how the criticism is stated.
Look, I think the bigger point is (and several posters can benefit from this 'advice')...you can be d!ck with how you give your feedback on players. For example, you've had a hard-on for Corey since year 1...and so you come off poorly (my opinion). I am sure you're a good guy, just saying that your board persona is a bit of a "look at me" type guy who loves to nitpick things.
And guess what, with the performance over the last 20 years, you'd be more right than wrong. so nobody is going to give you any credit for being some sort of kreskin by pointing out all the different ways we suck at this, or suck at that.
I'm pretty sure the coaching staff is very strong on teaching fundamentals which has been shown with defense and rebounding.The problem,however,is that recruiting in a power conference largely determines team success and that is where Rutgers has been lacking for decades.Pikiell and staff are selling the future not the past which is a difficult task when the competition includes schools with prior and current success.
It is almost like Manhattan has taken over Greene....
Anyone can be a Monday morning Quarterback after the fact....if Greene has legitimate complaints, he's entitled to them...but my guess would be not following what assistant has been involved for the last month in recruiting a player and then bashing the process is "spotty "
I'd like to hear Greene's solutions for recruiting legitimate student athletes going forward, while avoiding 75-85% of the other options that are getting their hands dirty in recruiting....while not an "excuse" & I'm not saying that is the recruiting model, but for a critic (and a harsh one) of bad body language and lack of teamwork on the benches, Greene appears to want to morph into Stanford, Duke Notre Dame or something else overnight....
Anyone can be a Monday morning Quarterback after the fact....if Greene has legitimate complaints, he's entitled to them...but my guess would be not following what assistant has been involved for the last month in recruiting a player and then bashing the process is "spotty "
I'd like to hear Greene's solutions for recruiting legitimate student athletes going forward, while avoiding 75-85% of the other options that are getting their hands dirty in recruiting....while not an "excuse" & I'm not saying that is the recruiting model, but for a critic (and a harsh one) of bad body language and lack of teamwork on the benches, Greene appears to want to morph into Stanford, Duke Notre Dame or something else overnight....
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Hawk, I remember you mentioned some other recruits. Could you provide that information or no? Thanks!
Most Pitt fans did not want Dixon to leave but some did including our then new AD Barnes (can you believe it- lowered Dixon's buyout to let him go to TCU) who then subsequently left shortly after so much damage. Dixon was a good coach who got Pitt into the NCAA's 11 times in 13 seasons. Wish Dixon much success at TCU. Pitt should have just given Dixon more financial support, maybe another $1.0 million per year to buy other programs top assistants. Dumb move to let Dixon go like it was to let Dave Wannstedt go in football. Kevin Stallings was in a tough spot at Pitt with many/most fans against the hire by Barnes.
The mood at Pitt now is much more positive with most fans and Pittsburgh sports writers approving the hire. Jeff Capel will be in a better position to succeed at Pitt with total support by all.
Not sure Knight will come to Pitt but he was a good player and a good person/coach.
Wish him well whatever his decision is.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
It is certainly a lot easier in the Monday Morning QB chair. I am happy to be in it and would not want to be Pikiell.
The 2 things I was barking about with our past 2 coaches. Rice you can win treating people with respect AND Jordan you can coach up defense. Pikiell is the exact coach i want here. He really is the antidote to the combination of the past 3 coaching faults. On the defensive side of the court we are where we need to be. It now comes down to recruiting guys that can shoot, guys that have length, and guys that can be coached and play well with others.
When you look at his recruiting so far you have glimpses of what the ideal Scarlet Knight looks like. Baker, Issa, and Myles Johnson appear like super people. Baker and Issa have length at the position they play and appear to be shooters. Perhaps Harper and Kiss fit that mold.
I want Pikiell to stay true to this type of model. Am I being prejudiced to a JUCO player? MAYBE Am I wrong to think a grad transfer who would consider RU in 2018 is not a great fit? MAYBE. The transfer model from a Quinnipiac school is actually growing on me. Late in the game with the 2-3 spots that are open I don't want us to make a 4 year commitment to a HS kid just to fill a spot AND I am 90% against grad transfers.
I really am very patient. I'd be willing to wait with this coach a long time (10+ years) before I'd give up.
I love when people give me an opening!!! How about the following:
FACT - over the last 4 games of the regular season and the FCSAA/NJCAA Region 8 Quarters he AVERAGED 24 mpg
FACT - HE DID NOT PLAY in the "Sweet 16" game vs Trinity Valley
FACT - he then played ONLY 1 MINUTE in the Elite 8 Game vs Barton CC
FACT - he then played 12 minutes in the Semi-Final vs South Plains College
FACT - HE THEN PLAYED 26 MINUTES IN FINAL GAME vs Vincennes University
....so do you think maybe - JUST MAYBE - based on all that information (not just what you chose to pick out...), that he had some sort of injury/illness during that stretch??? I mean I could be wrong, it actually has happened before (lol, I kid...), but makes sense, right?
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*waiting*
Pitt has committed 3.5 million to Capel and another 1 million plus to its staff. They are definitely committed when it comes to hoops.
Basketball doesn’t take nearly as long as football to turn it around. If Capel brings in two top classes back to back ( which he is a tremendous recruiter).
Pitt will be back on top in no time.
Basketball doesn’t take nearly as long as football to turn it around.
I believe this completely. A lot of people on here do not.
Hire the right guy and it gets done in 2-3 years. Unfortunately, our hires are always “on the cheap”.
You get what you pay for.
I believe this completely. A lot of people on here do not.
Hire the right guy and it gets done in 2-3 years. Unfortunately, our hires are always “on the cheap”.
You get what you pay for.
I don't care what he knows. Hes the worst poster on the basketball forum.
Define "top classes" that gets a program moving....is it 4 Top 100 kids 2 years in a row....is it 2....??
There is no free lunch folks, paying top dollar doesnt guarantee much more than you get an experienced staff....almost everyone in Power 5 leagues pays "top dollar"....how come UNC Duke Louisville Cuse and others continue to win?? It's actually game day coaches and preparation, not top dollar.
There is no free lunch folks, paying top dollar doesnt guarantee much more than you get an experienced staff....almost everyone in Power 5 leagues pays "top dollar"....how come UNC Duke Louisville Cuse and others continue to win?? It's actually game day coaches and preparation, not top dollar.
Dude lost all credibility by suggesting Pitt is even close to the current RU situation. Pitt just went winless in conference and lost essentially its entire team. Stallings was Kyle Flood on steroids.
Bean, going to have to disagree with you. JR Inman was a good player. Fine start to his career under GW--seem to remember that he made the All-BE freshmen team. But absolutely cr*pped on by FHJ, who did not like him because GW recruited him. And that was despite the fact he put up good numbers for FHJ his soph and junior years. FHJ benched him his senior year. But FHJ handled many players poorly.
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No realistic at all. consider.....
1. You have to overpay to get said coach because he (or she) needs a premium to coach at Rutgers
2. The state of NJ is an ABSOLUTE mess. The days of institutional support are numbered.
3. There are a finite amount of those coaches and they aren't coming to RU no matter what the salary
4. Nothing is a sure thing. Tom Crean couldn't make it at Indiana
5. Our athletic department is position for football having to drive things. If more $ is found (which won't happen)it has to go to football.
My opinion:
You could be right about doubting Knight would consider going back to Pitt, but I feel if Brandin
feels taking the Pitt job will help his career more than staying at Rutgers and Capel makes him a great offer along with the Pitt AD reaching out to smooth things over about any perceived slight Brandin might be feeling about Pitt's HC searches , Knight just might take the assistant position if Pitt offers it.
Knights on track for HC position and I feel he'll try to get there as quickly as possible and take a position that will help him do that.
If he feels Rutgers offers him the same chance, he'll probably stay
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