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so the UK study used vaccinated AND unvaccinated people in their study? no, they did not.

do you see an issue with them using only vaccinated subjects?

The "infection" cohort is constructed without regard to vax status. (as though they wouldn't overlap)

So what they are really showing is is vax + infection = even worse. no kidding!!

From a footnote in the paper: "The cohorts were not mutually exclusive; persons vaccinated and infected could be in both vaccination and infection cohorts."

And on top of this, they did a 30-day post-jab exclusion for the "vaccinated" cohort. The study is not only not designed to answer the question, it's a shell game designed to lie about the answer to the question
Please stop reading the antivaxx talking points. Of course the UK study looked at vaccinated people, but they also evaluated myocarditis levels in those people before receiving any vaccines, as per the excerpt below:

"The analysis showed people infected with COVID-19 before receiving a vaccine were 11 times more at risk for developing myocarditis within 28 days of testing positive for the virus. But that risk was cut in half if a person was infected after receiving at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine."

Also, most of that post about young people and their lower risks of myocarditis from infection vs. vaccines was based on the study discussed in the STAT article in that post, not the UK study. And lastly, here's an updated graphic, perhaps the best I've seen, updating the data on excess deaths, COVID deaths, COVID deaths with a cardiovascular element and sudden cardiac deaths in people 5-40 showing zero increase in those deaths through that time, all on one graph from 2018 through today. This is the kind of graphic (based on CDC data) that should shut those up screaming that young people are dying from sudden cardiac deaths from vaccines, but it likely won't.

 
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As I posted in the other thread on this, first off, yes there were increased heart disease deaths and sudden cardiac arrest deaths during 2020 and early 2021, but they're almost entirely due to COVID (vaccines weren't widely available yet), which has profound effects on the circulatory system, given its entry into cells via Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, which is an enzyme and also a functional receptor on cell surfaces through which SARS-CoV-2 enters the host cells, especially in the heart, kidneys, and lungs.

Both cardiac deaths of all kinds and sudden cardiac deaths in people aged 15-39 increased dramatically in early 2020, coinciding with the pandemic and these deaths peaked just before the rollout of the COVID vaccines and these kinds of deaths are now finally on their way back down, since the vast majority of people are now vaccinated and not impacted nearly as seriously by COVID. The graphics below are from the CDC (and on the 2nd graphic, the 1st dashed line is the start of the COVID pandemic and the second dashed line is the introduction of COVID vaccines).

And with regard to sudden cardiac deaths in athletes, about 20-25 HS/college athletes die each year from this while playing competitive sports, as per the study linked in the article below (which is not inconsistent with the ~300 or so cardiac deaths in all young people each year - the 20-25 number is for HS/college athletes only) and that number has not gone up since the vaccines were widely deployed. It's certainly tragic, but it's not new - only the breathless reporting on each new tragic event, implying vaccines are to blame is new - and wrong, of course.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/s...s-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/

Finally, with regard to the COVID vaccines, the level of misinformation out there is mind boggling. No, the vaccines have not caused any sudden deaths from myocarditis (a rare vaccine side effect from the mRNA vaccines which is almost always reversible - and myocarditis is far more frequent from COVID infection), despite the completely unproven and debunked videos circulating that say they do (there are no actual peer reviewed scientific papers showing any such thing).

https://www.healthcentral.com/condi...4Yj-tyLX5bLz2divixQpBTGc05vIoGydnjDP2vZwQg6eI

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Wow,

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?

Friends and relatives at 2 major pharmaceuticals refused the Vax as well as a microbiologist I know. My own. Doctor said for me not to get the vax and definitely no for my healthy kids..Enough about this topic. It seems whenever you get involved in these type of threads they get shut down.

Oh and freaking Rutgers is still requiring employees to be vaxxed, EVEN REMOTE EMPLOYEES.
 
John Campbell, the nurse? Please. This guy started out as a fairly reasonable voice at the start of the pandemic, but he's full on crank now, supporting ivermectin, going antivaxx, and making videos full of lies and misinformation, which have been thoroughly debunked, as per the two links below. Maybe read one of them - they're from actual well-respected MDs/scientists...

https://healthfeedback.org/authors/john-campbell/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/th...sion-antivax-disinformation-goes-viral-again/

And yes, I realize you might think I'm "attacking the messenger" but I look at these takedowns as simply correcting the record - of course exposing lies and misinformation has the side effect of making the purveyor look like an idiot.

Also, while that paper he's referring to was just published, I'm guessing that paper is going to be questioned very closely, especially since it implies that elevated troponins equate to "myocardial injury," which is kind of a subacute myocarditis, which I'm not sure is that meaningful, especially given the conclusions of their study represented such a mild impact: "In conclusion, using active surveillance, mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated mild transient myocardial injury was found to be much more common than previously thought. It occurred in one out of 35 persons, was mild and transient, and more frequent in women versus men." Also, there are dozens of reasons that troponin levels can be elevated, including vigorous exercise. The jury is out on this one.

https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/myocarditis-and-covid-19-mrna-vaccines
 
Wow,

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?

Friends and relatives at 2 major pharmaceuticals refused the Vax as well as a microbiologist I know. My own. Doctor said for me not to get the vax and definitely no for my healthy kids..Enough about this topic. It seems whenever you get involved in these type of threads they get shut down.

Oh and freaking Rutgers is still requiring employees to be vaxxed, EVEN REMOTE EMPLOYEES.
So, you know people who don't understand medical science or research - congrats. Also, I never bring any of this stuff up until people start posting the usual misinformation/lies, which are easily refuted, and could get someone hurt or worse if that info were followed. So, I never get involved until these threads are already headed downhill.
 
So, you know people who don't understand medical science or research - congrats. Also, I never bring any of this stuff up until people start posting the usual misinformation/lies, which are easily refuted, and could get someone hurt or worse if that info were followed. So, I never get involved until these threads are already headed downhill.

No one, has been, more wrong , than you.

And it ain’t even close.

You’ve become quite amusing though I’ll give you credit.
 
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So, you know people who don't understand medical science or research - congrats. Also, I never bring any of this stuff up until people start posting the usual misinformation/lies, which are easily refuted, and could get someone hurt or worse if that info were followed. So, I never get involved until these threads are already headed downhill.

No,

I know educated people who work in the pharmaceutical and medical industries and are highly regarded that do not agree with a lot of what you believe and post. I also have other friends and associates who work in these same fields who agree with most of what you post. Unfortunately you generally come off as your opinion is always absolutely right.
 
No one, has been, more wrong , than you.

And it ain’t even close.

You’ve become quite amusing though I’ll give you credit.
Thursday boof session, huh?

Ill advised, but when you have nowhere to report in the morning ... well, still no.
 
It amazes me that Numb3rs patiently provides scientific study after scientific study, and in response, he gets, "Well, I know a guy...."
What’s tragic is guys like you and #s who tout their academic credentials have been so brainwashed. Just shows how strong the media propaganda influence is.

Fauci and all his cohorts forced an experimental jab on the population, shut down doctors from practicing medicine who were trying to save lives (eg ivermectin, etc), guided people to seek medical attention in hospitals after they were too sick only to get poisoned with Remdesivir, heavily incentivized hospitals monetarily for covid diagnosis, Remdesivir, ventilators, and death.

All for money. It’s criminal. Fauci, gov agencies, Gates, pharma control the purse strings. Don’t care one bit about people.

How many folks here are familiar with the details of the 6 month trial data presented for the jabs to get FDA approval? ~22000 in vaxed and unvaxed groups in trial. 2 died from Covid in unvaxed. 1 died in vaxed. 19 died overall in VAXED. 14 died in unvaxed. Guess what the difference was ? HEART related deaths! But that got swept under the rug, and the party line was “100%” efficacy against Covid!

The absolute risk > relative risk in Covid jab trials. Seems obvious. But no…..non objective approval boards stacked with financially incentivized stooges.

The tragedy is so many people died unnecessarily because of the “wait for the vax and don’t try anything else” mandates. It’s criminal. And people are still defending the jabs.

How does it even make sense to mandate students to be fully jabbed up at this point?
 
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So, would Bronny be done with basketball now because of this?
That remains to be seen.

A USC player had a cardiac arrest in July 2022 and resumed playing in January 2023. He appeared in 14 games.

So far, what happened to Bronny is a mystery. He reportedly had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players and the results came back normal.

Bronny is home now.. I hope the kid has a full recovery.
 
What’s tragic is guys like you and #s who tout their academic credentials have been so brainwashed. Just shows how strong the media propaganda influence is.

Fauci and all his cohorts forced an experimental jab on the population, shut down doctors from practicing medicine who were trying to save lives (eg ivermectin, etc), guided people to seek medical attention in hospitals after they were too sick only to get poisoned with Remdesivir, heavily incentivized hospitals monetarily for covid diagnosis, Remdesivir, ventilators, and death.

All for money. It’s criminal. Fauci, gov agencies, Gates, pharma control the purse strings. Don’t care one bit about people.

How many folks here are familiar with the details of the 6 month trial data presented for the jabs to get FDA approval? ~22000 in vaxed and unvaxed groups in trial. 2 died from Covid in unvaxed. 1 died in vaxed. 19 died overall in VAXED. 14 died in unvaxed. Guess what the difference was ? HEART related deaths! But that got swept under the rug, and the party line was “100%” efficacy against Covid!

The absolute risk > relative risk in Covid jab trials. Seems obvious. But no…..non objective approval boards stacked with financially incentivized stooges.

The tragedy is so many people died unnecessarily because of the “wait for the vax and don’t try anything else” mandates. It’s criminal. And people are still defending the jabs.

How does it even make sense to mandate students to be fully jabbed up at this point?
Sorry you feel that way, Sleeping. I simply follow the science as best as I can. And the science is pretty clear on this. No brainwashing, just following the data and the work of our best scientists and researchers on this. And if something comes up different to the consensus, I'm most willing to look at such a study. Until then, have to go with the best work from the best folks. And they say that:

Vaccines work: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00015-2/fulltext
Remdesiver works: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2007764
Ivermectin does not: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/280182

Your recounting of the initial FDA approval study doesn't align at all with the report from the FDA, which showed that there were roughly 36,000 patients in the randomized study and only 8 of the people in the vaxxed group got COVID versus 162 in the placebo group. But without a link, hard to tell. The one I saw is here: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...ng-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

The tragedy is all the people who followed the nonsense and died or got long COVID because they didn't get vaccinated. And of course, some folks who were vaccinated died or got long COVID, because it was never 100% -- no study ever said that even though maybe a politician did, but unvaccinated were something like 10 times greater risk. A shame.

I don't apologize for presenting the science or shy away from my credentials. I worked hard to get them!
 
Canceling the athletic seasons was maybe the biggest error is sports history. It was based on fear not facts. Not one student athlete had any issues with covid. It was a complete disaster and anyone who thought it was a good ideas or still thinks it was a good ideas should be forced into exile never to be seen again.

The problem with myocarditis with vaccines is a**holes were forcing perfectly healthy kids with zero risk to covid to get the vax which put them at more risk than actual covid. It was a complete disgrace.

The same people who made these decisions are the same people who wanted more ventilators intimately costing people their life.

Isn't this being a Monday morning QB? I mean isn't is better to be cautious with people's lives in the middle of a pandemic at the time especially when not everything might not be known. Also regarding ventillators, the President enacted the Defense Production Act in 2020 to force companies like GM to mass produce ventillators into use for COVID. Aren't you essentially pointing the finger at Trump here?
 
You're ridiculously wrong. While the risks from COVID are far lower for children/teens, but well above zero and comparable to influenza. Specifically, from the CDC, quoted in the article below, "for every 1 million male teens -- the highest risk group -- an estimated 5,700 will get COVID, 215 will wind up in the hospital and two kids will die." This is relative to maybe 30-50 cases of transient, mild myocarditis, so the benefits still far outweigh the risks.

Keeping schools closed until vaccines were widely available in Spring 2021 was the right call, since young people in schools would've sent COVID case rates skyrocketing, along with deaths. Having said that, I think many areas kept schools closed too long - once everyone who wanted to be vaccinated could be (especially vulnerable people), then I think schools should have reopened.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...dc-vaccines-safer-young-people-risks-78447874

And if you want to get an earful on your ridiculous assertions about ventilators, perhaps our own @LETSGORU91 an MD with first hand experience during the worst days of COVID in 2020, can enlighten you, surely better than I could.

"215 will wind up in the hospital and two kids will die"
Out of a million.
How many of those 215 have comorbidities? How many were athletes?
Did the 2 die FROM COVID or with COVID - for example, did they crash a motorcycle into a tree and test positive posthumously?
 
What’s tragic is guys like you and #s who tout their academic credentials have been so brainwashed. Just shows how strong the media propaganda influence is.

Fauci and all his cohorts forced an experimental jab on the population, shut down doctors from practicing medicine who were trying to save lives (eg ivermectin, etc), guided people to seek medical attention in hospitals after they were too sick only to get poisoned with Remdesivir, heavily incentivized hospitals monetarily for covid diagnosis, Remdesivir, ventilators, and death.

All for money. It’s criminal. Fauci, gov agencies, Gates, pharma control the purse strings. Don’t care one bit about people.

How many folks here are familiar with the details of the 6 month trial data presented for the jabs to get FDA approval? ~22000 in vaxed and unvaxed groups in trial. 2 died from Covid in unvaxed. 1 died in vaxed. 19 died overall in VAXED. 14 died in unvaxed. Guess what the difference was ? HEART related deaths! But that got swept under the rug, and the party line was “100%” efficacy against Covid!

The absolute risk > relative risk in Covid jab trials. Seems obvious. But no…..non objective approval boards stacked with financially incentivized stooges.

The tragedy is so many people died unnecessarily because of the “wait for the vax and don’t try anything else” mandates. It’s criminal. And people are still defending the jabs.

How does it even make sense to mandate students to be fully jabbed up at this point?
Nothing you said in this post is accurate. What's criminal is people like you dissuading others from getting vaccinated, leading to far more lives lost than necessary - and now the moron antivaxxers are once again going after mandated childhood vaccines, which also save huge numbers of lives/hospitalizations.
 
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No one, has been, more wrong , than you.

And it ain’t even close.

You’ve become quite amusing though I’ll give you credit.
His problem is a simple one. Numbers needs to feel impactful and somehow vindicated in his ties to medical science and vaccines. People such as Fauci ,Hotez and some others refuse to admit this recently past pandemic is over and has been over for quite some time.When I read Number’s recent posted nonsense about , “ it was a good thing we closed schools and masked all kids in school .” Well, I subscribe to the theory that this is total BS and find it absolutely troubling that the far majority of highly educated people in science would attempt to perpetrate this falsehood as we move away from 2020-2023. Numbers has a vested interest in vaccines and though vaccines are wonderful, we still don’t have all the facts on covid 19 vaccines and possible long term issues. Funny how there were at a minimum of 30-40% over estimated deaths of people claimed to have died with covid and NOT from covid. Somehow that is not in any of those historically long postings of our fellow RU supporter .
No one, has been, more wrong , than you.

And it ain’t even close.

You’ve become quite amusing though I’ll give you credit.
 
If someone is firmly in the mask cult, you might as well just nod and smile.
At this point, it's part of their identity, you're not going to change that.
 
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Nothing you said in this post is accurate. What's criminal is people like you dissuading others from getting vaccinated, leading to far more lives lost than necessary - and now the moron antivaxxers are once again going after mandated childhood vaccines, which also save huge numbers of lives/hospitalizations.
Now Professor Numbers is a criminal prosecutor ? It’s the man’s opinion and guess what he is entitled to that . It’s over… the best is still witnessing people” alone” in cars wearing masks or in a store where 99.9% are maskless. Hey to each their own. Have watched for 2+ months on the down lo and wow we have a unique base.
 
His problem is a simple one. Numbers needs to feel impactful and somehow vindicated in his ties to medical science and vaccines. People such as Fauci ,Hotez and some others refuse to admit this recently past pandemic is over and has been over for quite some time.When I read Number’s recent posted nonsense about , “ it was a good thing we closed schools and masked all kids in school .” Well, I subscribe to the theory that this is total BS and find it absolutely troubling that the far majority of highly educated people in science would attempt to perpetrate this falsehood as we move away from 2020-2023. Numbers has a vested interest in vaccines and though vaccines are wonderful, we still don’t have all the facts on covid 19 vaccines and possible long term issues. Funny how there were at a minimum of 30-40% over estimated deaths of people claimed to have died with covid and NOT from covid. Somehow that is not in any of those historically long postings of our fellow RU supporter .
Except you idiots are the ones bringing it up.

Every time.
 
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Canceling the athletic seasons was maybe the biggest error is sports history. It was based on fear not facts. Not one student athlete had any issues with covid. It was a complete disaster and anyone who thought it was a good ideas or still thinks it was a good ideas should be forced into exile never to be seen again.

The same people who made these decisions are the same people who wanted more ventilators intimately costing people their life.
I'm truly sorry your recious, sports seasons were cancelled, but the unknowns of covid and the risk for further transmission to teammates, staff and family members was much more important. And you are woefully incorrect that no athlete had issues with covid. The B1G has a press release where they identified athletes with covid who developed myocarditis as a result of covid infections. As far as the ventilators go, what would you propose as being a better treatment for hypoxia when all along and since ventilators were invented, they had been used for severe hypoxia and if they were not used, the patients would almost certainly die? I'll grab the popcorn and eagerly await your response.
 
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His problem is a simple one. Numbers needs to feel impactful and somehow vindicated in his ties to medical science and vaccines. People such as Fauci ,Hotez and some others refuse to admit this recently past pandemic is over and has been over for quite some time.When I read Number’s recent posted nonsense about , “ it was a good thing we closed schools and masked all kids in school .” Well, I subscribe to the theory that this is total BS and find it absolutely troubling that the far majority of highly educated people in science would attempt to perpetrate this falsehood as we move away from 2020-2023. Numbers has a vested interest in vaccines and though vaccines are wonderful, we still don’t have all the facts on covid 19 vaccines and possible long term issues. Funny how there were at a minimum of 30-40% over estimated deaths of people claimed to have died with covid and NOT from covid. Somehow that is not in any of those historically long postings of our fellow RU supporter .
And every point you just made is wrong too. Shutting schools down before vaccines made sense as children in schools would've made the pandemic far worse, as they would've spread far more cases/deaths, but then schools should've been reopened after vaccines were widely available (many were closed too long, IMO). I have zero vested interest in COVID vaccines - I have a vested interest in following good science and public health which resulted in vaccines which saved millions of lives. And there was not a 30-40% overcount of estimated deaths - in fact COVID deaths through 2022 were likely undercounted, as per excess death counts. COVID deaths have only recently been overcounted and the death counts are far lower now, so the impact on the overall count has been minimal. I also haven't worn a mask (when not requested) since the day my vaccination was complete on the day I went to Indy to watch RU in the NCAAs vs. Clemson, because I believed in the efficacy of the vaccines.
 
It is well documented ventilators were for the most part misused by medical facilities. Now , we all agree the unknowns were the trigger point for this ventilator issue however , the media panic overtook actual common sense . Who and when a ventilator should be used is determined by the treating physician and at the onset almost anyone with respiratory distress was intubated… it was found to be a no no. I have personally witnessed two family members who were intubated and within a few hours went into cardiac arrest. It is fear which controlled much of what occurred early on. Let’s hope the medical people remember to “ do no harm.”
 
And every point you just made is wrong too. Shutting schools down before vaccines made sense as children in schools would've made the pandemic far worse, as they would've spread far more cases/deaths, but then schools should've been reopened after vaccines were widely available (many were closed too long, IMO). I have zero vested interest in COVID vaccines - I have a vested interest in following good science and public health which resulted in vaccines which saved millions of lives. And there was not a 30-40% overcount of estimated deaths - in fact COVID deaths through 2022 were likely undercounted, as per excess death counts. COVID deaths have only recently been overcounted and the death counts are far lower now, so the impact on the overall count has been minimal. I also haven't worn a mask (when not requested) since the day my vaccination was complete on the day I went to Indy to watch RU in the NCAAs vs. Clemson, because I believed in the efficacy of the vaccines.
Do you work in a hospital?

Shutting schools down because of Covid was 100% necessary at first. After health professionals understood it better, it was a terrible idea to keep the kids home learning remotely. Ask any parent how much their kids learned when they were doing remote learning. I can't tell you how many students I saw who were so far behind educationally, emotionally and socially because of the shutting down of schools.

Every nurse and doctor I know said the deaths attributed to Covid were overcounted.
 
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And every point you just made is wrong too. Shutting schools down before vaccines made sense as children in schools would've made the pandemic far worse, as they would've spread far more cases/deaths, but then schools should've been reopened after vaccines were widely available (many were closed too long, IMO). I have zero vested interest in COVID vaccines - I have a vested interest in following good science and public health which resulted in vaccines which saved millions of lives. And there was not a 30-40% overcount of estimated deaths - in fact COVID deaths through 2022 were likely undercounted, as per excess death counts. COVID deaths have only recently been overcounted and the death counts are far lower now, so the impact on the overall count has been minimal. I also haven't worn a mask (when not requested) since the day my vaccination was complete on the day I went to Indy to watch RU in the NCAAs vs. Clemson, because I believed in the efficacy of the vaccines.
That is your opinion…there are more people both medical and other who are calling that thinking out as BS. You maintain this opinion simply not from an unbiased educated nuance but a stubbornness to admit there were way too many mistakes to thinking close all the schools and mask everyone up. We realize and perhaps not in our lifetimes we will see worse . Will you accept the past mistakes as acceptable ? You are educated for sure but you lack simple ability to say maybe we did not need to do the things we did. Have a safe day …enjoy the heat…
 
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And if you want to get an earful on your ridiculous assertions about ventilators, perhaps our own @LETSGORU91 an MD with first hand experience during the worst days of COVID in 2020, can enlighten you, surely better than I could.
The ridiculous assertions can be quite comical. People dont realize that many of the people who died on ventilators were going to die whether they were intubated or not. That doesnt mean the ventilator caused their death. What the medical community discovered during covid was some of these patients could forgo intubation when all indications clearly necessitated it. Respiratory support evolved to the point where other therapies were used and in conjunction with other therapies, helped improve outcomes.
 
Idiot I heard on the news, " Lebron James' son Bronny, who will play basketball for USC this season, is out of intensive care..."
Network and cable news are ready fire, aim. It is very doubtful that Bronny will play for USC ever or play basketball at a high level again now that an NBA career and his father's dream of them playing together in the NBA seems almost impossible. At least in the old fashioned print we used editors and fact checkers before words hit paper.
 
Do you work in a hospital?

Shutting schools down because of Covid was 100% necessary at first. After health professionals understood it better, it was a terrible idea to keep the kids home learning remotely. Ask any parent how much their kids learned when they were doing remote learning. I can't tell you how many students I saw who were so far behind educationally, emotionally and socially because of the shutting down of schools.

Every nurse and doctor I know said the deaths attributed to Covid were overcounted.
There in lies the truth by your opening sentence …” necessary at first.…Not for months and months . If not for the fact my son and his wife were in education our granddaughter would have also fallen well behind in a top school district of Long Island. Thankfully the district educators had some smarts. Yes most doctor’s have drastically altered their thinking on the good and bad of this pandemic guidelines. For the Sheldon Coopers still out there it is time to realize your education smarts sometimes becomes a hindrance to common sense… you know… horse sense Is still a good thing.
 
So far, what happened to Bronny is a mystery. He reportedly had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players and the results came back normal.

Bronny is home now.. I hope the kid has a full recovery.
Of course we will never know the entire story but I'd be very interested to go through all the records. At best, it could have dehydration/electrolyte imbalance. Was he truly in cardiac arrest? In the heat of the moment, someone dehydrated and passed out will have faint to non detectable pulses and the assumption could be cardiac arrest. Was he hooked up to a automated defibrillator and shocked? Does he have a reversible/treatable cardiac arrythmia? Worst case would be cardiomyopathy and/or long term heart damage.
 
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Nothing you said in this post is accurate. What's criminal is people like you dissuading others from getting vaccinated, leading to far more lives lost than necessary - and now the moron antivaxxers are once again going after mandated childhood vaccines, which also save huge numbers of lives/hospitalizations.
YOU are so wrong. I’m not retired like you so will need to carve out time to dig up and post the references. When I get around to posting, all I ask is you read and respond. Fair?
 
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What’s tragic is guys like you and #s who tout their academic credentials have been so brainwashed. Just shows how strong the media propaganda influence is.

Fauci and all his cohorts forced an experimental jab on the population, shut down doctors from practicing medicine who were trying to save lives (eg ivermectin, etc), guided people to seek medical attention in hospitals after they were too sick only to get poisoned with Remdesivir, heavily incentivized hospitals monetarily for covid diagnosis, Remdesivir, ventilators, and death.

All for money. It’s criminal. Fauci, gov agencies, Gates, pharma control the purse strings. Don’t care one bit about people.

How many folks here are familiar with the details of the 6 month trial data presented for the jabs to get FDA approval? ~22000 in vaxed and unvaxed groups in trial. 2 died from Covid in unvaxed. 1 died in vaxed. 19 died overall in VAXED. 14 died in unvaxed. Guess what the difference was ? HEART related deaths! But that got swept under the rug, and the party line was “100%” efficacy against Covid!

The absolute risk > relative risk in Covid jab trials. Seems obvious. But no…..non objective approval boards stacked with financially incentivized stooges.

The tragedy is so many people died unnecessarily because of the “wait for the vax and don’t try anything else” mandates. It’s criminal. And people are still defending the jabs.

How does it even make sense to mandate students to be fully jabbed up at this point?
Additionally, there is a reason why members of Congress and their staffers were exempt from getting the jab. They knew. They all knew.
 
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Sorry you feel that way, Sleeping. I simply follow the science as best as I can. And the science is pretty clear on this. No brainwashing, just following the data and the work of our best scientists and researchers on this. And if something comes up different to the consensus, I'm most willing to look at such a study. Until then, have to go with the best work from the best folks. And they say that:

Vaccines work: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00015-2/fulltext
Remdesiver works: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2007764
Ivermectin does not: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/280182

Your recounting of the initial FDA approval study doesn't align at all with the report from the FDA, which showed that there were roughly 36,000 patients in the randomized study and only 8 of the people in the vaxxed group got COVID versus 162 in the placebo group. But without a link, hard to tell. The one I saw is here: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...ng-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

The tragedy is all the people who followed the nonsense and died or got long COVID because they didn't get vaccinated. And of course, some folks who were vaccinated died or got long COVID, because it was never 100% -- no study ever said that even though maybe a politician did, but unvaccinated were something like 10 times greater risk. A shame.

I don't apologize for presenting the science or shy away from my credentials. I worked hard to get them!
Lol. I took Ivermectin twice. It works.
 
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