Sorry but now when I see something from you I don’t even read it unless it’s 4 sentences or less.
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I'm crushed. If you want to go on being ignorant of science and the history of the pandemic, have at it. But whether you like it or not, explaining the science often requires in-depth discussion and analysis that makes brevity difficult, especially when including presentation of key data.
There was always a choice not to take the vax. The mandates came from businesses, organizations and institutions as a requirement to work, participate, attend, etc. No one actually forced you to put the needle in your arm. Just another victim complainer mentality. If you regret taking the vax blame yourself and own it.
Why did your president allow that to happen? Why not blame the ultimate decision maker?
This isn't a good take. People lost their ability to work because of these mandates backed by the government.
Why is Rutgers still requiring employees to be vaccinated in the fall of 2023? Even remote workers. Why are many universities and businesses still. requiring the shot?
Get over yourself. Really. Typical of people of your political persuasion. You can’t just agree to disagree. You have to insult people who do not agree with you. Believe it or not, there are people just as smart or smarter who do not share your point of view. It’s not all about you. Geez.
Yes, exclusive only to one political party. Definitely never occurs on the other side. Double geez.
You insulted me first without provocation. I spent many paragraphs responding to your comments without insulting you (disagreeing is not insulting). And none of this is about me, it's about the science.
If it was settled science wouldn't just about every person in the related fields agree with it? Why are many of these people disagreeing?
There are an amazing amount of ill informed, politically biased physicians in this country. Many seem to come from southern, mid western areas but not all. I've never seen anything like it. I debate with them on blogs like Doximity. Extremely bright
accomplished docs in their specialty who seemingly have lost their objective minds over the whole pandemic, vaccine & related issues.
So, it is not surprising that patients are running into med professionals who are anti-vax etc. It's disconcerting but not surprising.
I hesitate to even get in the middle of this but I'll put my 2 cents in and then not respond anymore. Please define "so many of these people". In 2021, there was a study done by the AMA which showed over 96% of physicians were vaccinated. Of the less than 4% unvaccinated, almost half planned on getting vaccinated. That's 98% total. To me, that's "just about every person" in their related field. I feel as the virus has mutated and the strains have become weaker, the push to become vaccinated has waned and society is willing to take their risks. But for every "I know people" who won't get vaccinated, I can counter with plenty more who have irreversible damage and long term effects most likely as a result of a covid infection. We are all big boys and girls here and can make our own decisions, but with decisions come consequences either favorable or unfavorable. People need to do what's best for themselves, but for those not willing to follow the advice of the experts as a whole, well, I would call that risky.
Typical hypocrite. You seem to have no problem making insulting posts or using insulting emoji's.
Very good point. Trump could have fired him, but never did.
Nope. Did someone tie you down and stick the needle in you? You guys just like to pick and choose what you want to complain about based on your political agenda. You also conveniently blame everyone but the highest level government decision maker at the time....you know, the one who pushed "warp speed" to get as many vax doses manufacured and distributed to the public.
Who are this athletes who got myocarditis from covid? Who are the athletes who had complications with covid?
We knew very early that healthy people especially younger than 55 had very little risk of having serious cases of covid. College kids were pretty much at zero risk. We knew this within a month of covid.
What I love most is everyone always talks about the unknowns. The truth is everything we did about the “unknowns” we got wrong. Literally everything. It is very hard to find 3 things we did right about the unknowns.
It is truly disgusting you are still defending ventilators. Doctors were blowing out peoples lungs because of the unknowns and you sit here and try to justify it. Disgusting.
How many were forced by their employer to get the vaccine? We all know every doctor in hospitals and medical practices owned by corporations had to get it. Also, the first version of Covid and Delta were out in 2021. Much, much more deadlier version of the virus which lead to most people seeking the vaccine.
So you're saying that tons of extremely bright doctors aren't in favor of the vaccine? Then you give your opinion of their opinion. I'm not sure which opinion is right or wrong but according to you it seems a significant portion of the medical community isn't on board.
True Story:
So, I had a family party last week and 2 of my guests were doctors and 1 a vp for a major pharmaceutical company. They recommended to me not to vaccinate my teenagers when the covid shot was first made available to them. I asked them yesterday if their thoughts had changed and they answered no.
So, I have chosen to take the advice of family and friends (instead of strangers) who know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than I do.
BTW, politics should never, ever influence medicine or science. Unfortunately it does way too often.
Is this a joke?
We couldn’t open schools until vaccine came because it would have been way worse. It was ok after vaccines even though the vaccine didn’t stop the spread of covid and had very limited efficacy. That makes zero sense.
However masks worked but we still couldn’t open schools pre-vaccine until we did open schools and forced masks on kids. Then as covid spread through schools like sh*t through geese and 99.99999% of kids had nothing more than a minor cold we still had to pretend that masks actually did anything to stop the spread just to protect the adults.
This doesn’t even take into account that people who have school age children are mostly under the age of where covid was a cause of death. 65+ aged people were most at risk of covid so let’s close down schools so kids and the 40 year old parents don’t get a cough/flu.
Again this comes down to people being scared and sacrificing children for their fear and now trying to pretend it was not a huge mistake….
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I'm sorry, next time JAMA puts out a credible story, I'll try and gather the 37 names (which was 2.3% of the study) who had myocarditis. Of those, 9 developed cardiac symptoms. Are you familiar with myocarditis? The complications can be quite serious.
Study: Athletes see higher post-COVID heart risk
A study of nearly 1,600 Big Ten athletes suggests COVID-19 symptoms are not the best indicator for possible heart problems and advocates continued high-level cardiac monitoring and possible testing of athletes post-COVID-19.
As far as the ventilators, hopefully you aren't trying to single me out on defending their use. The best and most effective treatment for severe hypoxia is a ventilator, plain and simple. Without it, hypoxic patients are at severe risk for dying. You want to risk barotrauma which is mostly easily treatable or death? Your choice. Roll the dice. Perhaps we should visit who was more at risk for barotrauma: "We revealed a strong prevalence of COVID-19 IMV complication with worsening prognosis and subsequent higher death rates in elderly smoker or obese males, as well as those suffering from ARDS. Past medical history (hypertension, DM, chronic renal or cardiac disease) or surgical history of CABG was more liable for these types of complications." Read it....overweight, smokers, high blood pressure, diabetes, kidney/heart disease. Focus more on modifiable, risk factors than debating proven methods used for decades. You have no idea of the pressures medical staffs were under and the known, most reliable methods were used. Stop Monday morning doctoring. I'm done with your nonsense.
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I'll hopefully paint a clearer picture for you Pancho. When ventilated patients continue to drop their oxygen levels, which was very prevalent during the first run of covid, the choices are to provide more volume of pure oxygen and/or hold the alveolar sacs open longer so oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange can occur. When patients exhibited drastically low oxygen levels, what should a doctor do.?...A) Nothing and probably watch the patient deteriorate and expire or B) risk increasing the volume and hold the alveolar sacs open in hope that will save them? By the way, the medical staff is fully aware of the risks of barotrauma by increasing the settings and it's not surprising barotrauma rates where higher in an attempt to deliver oxygen in these critically ill patients. Digest those facts..your response is the disgusting one.
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@LETSGORU91 and @RUfubar - wish I could like your posts 1000x, thanks for weighing in with your medical expertise. Unfortunately, given that there are a small minority of MDs who have sold their scientific souls to politics, there will always be "medical sources" who keep spreading lies and misinformation about COVID and especially the vaccines and these folks have had an outsized effect on the beliefs of those on the right, in particular. It's just sad.
Lots of convenient revisionist history here in your mindless posting. But, I see med professionals posting similar things - mostly radiologists, psychiatrists, some family practitioners - so not all your fault. In early days of Covid I lost a whole family of young latino brothers & sisters from Perth Amboy. I lost 2 male, obese diabetic 30 yo black pts. I think one was a prison guard. I lost a young hispanic 40 yo runner from Clark - zero med problems - worked in a warehouse with outbreak. Clotted off his feet while on a vent. No barotrauma. Just vent dependent. No amount of permissive hypoxemia, proning, or peep settings would have helped him. His young son got quite sick as well. You know what would have helped ? A vaccine! Because, although not the holy grail in terms of disease transmission or minor symptomatic infection prevention - the vaccine did a good job with severe disease, hospitalization & death. Primarily through T cell activation - part of immune system that has memory & limits infection dissemination.
Should we have let Barrington proceed with herd immunity recommendations? Sure, but lots of " at risk" & many with non quantifiable risk would have died. That's ok unless it's your grandma or uncle. As it was, we had (& still do in the aftermath) hospitalists, nurses, resp therapists at the breaking point from burn out & dealing w the conveyor belt of depersonalization, death & demoralization - made even worse with our broken med system.
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The ventilators may not have caused the actual death of the patient but it is known now they were misused by care givers trying to help but actually creating a bigger problem. You can claim otherwise but many in medicine such as yourself would highly disagree. The mere fact that deaths from covid 19 were over counted by 30-40% is what is now suggested. People who had co- morbidities at the time of infection more than not died from their disease or related health issues. I have gotten every shot since it’s inception as did my wife . Being over 65 + gives one pause. However , we both still became infected though . Today no one can swear that this next booster shot XBB (fall 2023 ) lends to a more protective vaccine. Never was against vaccines… I have been injected with more vaccines than the majority on this board. The issue has always been the lies and who was protected by government and media. Also, the failure to make a definitive affirmation of where, who and how this virus came about.
Did Bronny James actually suffer a heart attack or did he suffer what is termed cardiac arrest. Are they not two separate things? A miraculous recovery in and out of ICU 1-2 days… out of hospital 3 days… home resting . Glad for him but something just does not lend to the thinking he had a heart attack. Have mentioned dehydration and arrhythmia as more likely.
That makes no sense at all. If the vent did not contribute to the death of the patient then it was not "misused" as you say. The problem was retrospective "overuse" of early ventilation in impending ARDS - allowing the patient to tolerate hypoxemia or "permit them" is a nerve wracking, "ballsy" risk that takes manpower, close observation & finger crossing. Once a patient is vented, then all bets are off unless they improve immediately. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Ok, Dr. Bob ?
You claim you got the vaccine, got infected anyway but here you are - higher risk group you claim, not hospitalized or dead - I assume.
So, for you the vaccine was then a huge success & yet you are looking forward to a vaccine that lends itself to more protection ? Seems to me that you should be very thankful for what you got. But, some people got nothing better to do then sit in their rocking chairs and criticize everything that's not perfect - little entitled, no ?
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“Many in medicine would disagree” = I saw the same Facebook post several times from a chiropractor
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There is nobody suggesting the overall COVID death count has been overcounted by 30-40% throughout the pandemic - tha's ludicrous, especially as most experts believe COVID deaths were undercounted for the first year or two of the pandemic (based on excess death data showing gaps without other causes of death).
What has happened is that recently (since late 2022), some experts have said (most famously Dr Wen) that we're now likely overcounting recent COVID deaths, due to the "from" vs. "with" discrepancy. We've had about 50K deaths in 2023, so if that really is 30K, that means we've likely had 1.14MM COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic vs. the 1.17MM on the official count. That's a tiny difference, overall. However, the CDC says we're not overcounting deaths recently, so there's still disagreement on this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ic-deaths-hospitalizations-honest-accounting/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/covid-deaths-not-overcounted-us/
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I actually said , “ I am not anti vaccine”… I have a wife of 55 years who felt getting it was the right thing at this point and since we were leaving on trip to Hawaii I took this shot based upon supporting her. Actually , my DNA sampling says I am less prone to die from the virus based upon my ancestral history. As for your sarcastic Dr. Bob … shows me your FOS… by the way AH I’m in better shape than others many 15 years younger. I have had more vaccines injected into me than 99% of the population so I ‘m entitled to my opinion on their worthiness in protecting people. As for venting … the venting done in early covid was a shat show … I saw the effects first hand …save the rocking chair for yourself and those around you.
The venting in most cases was not the reason for covid deaths … most patients were not helped as much as anticipated. Patients died from other health issues. Ventilators were misused since many healthcare caregivers did not have a proper understanding . That includes doctor’s and nurses.
Anyone trust Blathering Bob, e-expert on everything, real master of nothing, over actual doctors with firsthand experience working through the pandemic?
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What Are Delusions of Grandeur?
Btw, did Bob's DNA analysis also definitively exclude him from Gilgo beach incident?
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I know you're a Merck guy, but here's an explanation. Need to follow the $$$. Once again, the Fauci machine, pharma, Gates needed to kill IVM and HCQ. Nothing to get in the way of rolling out the jabs, too much money to make. In 2020 the IVM and HCQ being unsafe propaganda campaign was in full tilt after positive results were being observed globally. Remember, for the FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative (e.g. IVM, HCQ). Fauci et al (media) would shutdown anything (studies, pharmacies distributing, etc.) and anyone promoting benefits (i.e. trying to save lives which is the oath doctors take).
Emergency Use Authorization of Medical Products
Explains FDA's general recommendations and procedures applicable to authorization of the emergency use of certain medical products
Merck's patent rights expired in 1996, companies now produce generics for about $0.40 a dose.
As you know, millions of people have consumed billions of doses of IVM. IVM marketed for 40 years and never spoken of worrisome safety signals.
10 days before Merck discovered its concerns about IVM Merck signed a manufacturing partnership for the
Novaax and Emergent BioSolutions COVID vaccine as it moved to final trials.
In December 2020, Merck announced a $356 million supply deal which NIAID agreed to purchase up to 100,000 doses of an experimental COVID pill called MK 7110.
IVM was a low profit competitor for another Merck product for COVID - antiviral molnupiravir -
(allegedly a copycat forumula to ivermectin), $700 a dose.
All about the $. It's criminal.
There are many IVM studies. Here's one : https://c19ivm.org/meta.html Would have been more published except for the cartel shutting them down. The studies Fauci et al use for their propoganda are funded by his machine. Anyone falls out of line with the narrative, gets their funding, hence livelihood, cut off.
I see you dispelled someone above who stated they used IVM with success. I, and many of my family, have used IVM with a regimen at the beginning of any signs of covid (i.e. early). I will tell you unequivocally, expedited recovery. No one stating so has any reason to lie. Happy to get into HCQ, too, and how unsafe that is.
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Here's a link to the submission I was referencing (was off on the # of patients in the trials). Data in Table 6.
Thanks for the link, and the numbers you had may well have been right at some point as this was a study that was extended from the initial design. But the mortality data are dramatically different. 8 people died in the vaxxed group versus 162 in the placebo group.
The ivermectin study has no author listed and hasn't undergone peer review. It also includes studies that no reasonable meta-analysis would include. There is study after study in respectable journals showing ivermectin to be ineffective.
To agree with you one would have to believe that Fauci, the CDC, the FDA, the medical research establishment, the peer-reviewed journals, and all the major drug companies in America and internationally had gotten together in some massive fraud. Also, the data show that the vaccines work.
Occam's razor. What is the simpler explanation?
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