Bronny James Cardiac Arrest

[RUInsanity]

I know you're a Merck guy, but here's an explanation. Need to follow the $$$. Once again, the Fauci machine, pharma, Gates needed to kill IVM and HCQ. Nothing to get in the way of rolling out the jabs, too much money to make. In 2020 the IVM and HCQ being unsafe propaganda campaign was in full tilt after positive results were being observed globally. Remember, for the FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative (e.g. IVM, HCQ). Fauci et al (media) would shutdown anything (studies, pharmacies distributing, etc.) and anyone promoting benefits (i.e. trying to save lives which is the oath doctors take).

Emergency Use Authorization of Medical Products

Explains FDA's general recommendations and procedures applicable to authorization of the emergency use of certain medical products

www.fda.gov

Merck's patent rights expired in 1996, companies now produce generics for about $0.40 a dose.

As you know, millions of people have consumed billions of doses of IVM. IVM marketed for 40 years and never spoken of worrisome safety signals.

10 days before Merck discovered its concerns about IVM Merck signed a manufacturing partnership for the
Novaax and Emergent BioSolutions COVID vaccine as it moved to final trials.

In December 2020, Merck announced a $356 million supply deal which NIAID agreed to purchase up to 100,000 doses of an experimental COVID pill called MK 7110.

IVM was a low profit competitor for another Merck product for COVID - antiviral molnupiravir -
(allegedly a copycat forumula to ivermectin), $700 a dose.

All about the $. It's criminal.

There are many IVM studies. Here's one : https://c19ivm.org/meta.html Would have been more published except for the cartel shutting them down. The studies Fauci et al use for their propoganda are funded by his machine. Anyone falls out of line with the narrative, gets their funding, hence livelihood, cut off.

I see you dispelled someone above who stated they used IVM with success. I, and many of my family, have used IVM with a regimen at the beginning of any signs of covid (i.e. early). I will tell you unequivocally, expedited recovery. No one stating so has any reason to lie. Happy to get into HCQ, the "horse medicine", too, and how unsafe that is.

Couple things....

The molecular structures for Ivermectin and Molnupiravir are different (you can easily google to view them). So not sure how that makes Molnupiravir a copycat.

MK 7110 I believe was cancelled

Generics manufacturers of Ivermectin globally make money as well.

The FDA does not control the decisions of other regulatory bodies globally.

 

[toby83]

KJ Hamler diagnosed with pericarditis; Broncos will waive him with NFI designation​

Where is Sherlock Holmes when you need him??

 

[RUbbFannn]

I know you're a Merck guy, but here's an explanation. Need to follow the $$$. Once again, the Fauci machine, pharma, Gates needed to kill IVM and HCQ. Nothing to get in the way of rolling out the jabs, too much money to make. In 2020 the IVM and HCQ being unsafe propaganda campaign was in full tilt after positive results were being observed globally. Remember, for the FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative (e.g. IVM, HCQ). Fauci et al (media) would shutdown anything (studies, pharmacies distributing, etc.) and anyone promoting benefits (i.e. trying to save lives which is the oath doctors take).

Emergency Use Authorization of Medical Products

Explains FDA's general recommendations and procedures applicable to authorization of the emergency use of certain medical products

www.fda.gov

Merck's patent rights expired in 1996, companies now produce generics for about $0.40 a dose.

As you know, millions of people have consumed billions of doses of IVM. IVM marketed for 40 years and never spoken of worrisome safety signals.

10 days before Merck discovered its concerns about IVM Merck signed a manufacturing partnership for the
Novaax and Emergent BioSolutions COVID vaccine as it moved to final trials.

In December 2020, Merck announced a $356 million supply deal which NIAID agreed to purchase up to 100,000 doses of an experimental COVID pill called MK 7110.

IVM was a low profit competitor for another Merck product for COVID - antiviral molnupiravir -
(allegedly a copycat forumula to ivermectin), $700 a dose.

All about the $. It's criminal.

There are many IVM studies. Here's one : https://c19ivm.org/meta.html Would have been more published except for the cartel shutting them down. The studies Fauci et al use for their propoganda are funded by his machine. Anyone falls out of line with the narrative, gets their funding, hence livelihood, cut off.

I see you dispelled someone above who stated they used IVM with success. I, and many of my family, have used IVM with a regimen at the beginning of any signs of covid (i.e. early). I will tell you unequivocally, expedited recovery. No one stating so has any reason to lie. Happy to get into HCQ, too, and how unsafe that is.

Thank you

 

[RUBlackout7]

We’re at the point where most these dudes haven’t had a vaccine in 1-2 years. How long we gonna blame for 😂

 

[RU848789]

I know you're a Merck guy, but here's an explanation. Need to follow the $$$. Once again, the Fauci machine, pharma, Gates needed to kill IVM and HCQ. Nothing to get in the way of rolling out the jabs, too much money to make. In 2020 the IVM and HCQ being unsafe propaganda campaign was in full tilt after positive results were being observed globally. Remember, for the FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative (e.g. IVM, HCQ). Fauci et al (media) would shutdown anything (studies, pharmacies distributing, etc.) and anyone promoting benefits (i.e. trying to save lives which is the oath doctors take).

Emergency Use Authorization of Medical Products

Explains FDA's general recommendations and procedures applicable to authorization of the emergency use of certain medical products

www.fda.gov

Merck's patent rights expired in 1996, companies now produce generics for about $0.40 a dose.

As you know, millions of people have consumed billions of doses of IVM. IVM marketed for 40 years and never spoken of worrisome safety signals.

10 days before Merck discovered its concerns about IVM Merck signed a manufacturing partnership for the
Novaax and Emergent BioSolutions COVID vaccine as it moved to final trials.

In December 2020, Merck announced a $356 million supply deal which NIAID agreed to purchase up to 100,000 doses of an experimental COVID pill called MK 7110.

IVM was a low profit competitor for another Merck product for COVID - antiviral molnupiravir -
(allegedly a copycat forumula to ivermectin), $700 a dose.

All about the $. It's criminal.

There are many IVM studies. Here's one : https://c19ivm.org/meta.html Would have been more published except for the cartel shutting them down. The studies Fauci et al use for their propoganda are funded by his machine. Anyone falls out of line with the narrative, gets their funding, hence livelihood, cut off.

I see you dispelled someone above who stated they used IVM with success. I, and many of my family, have used IVM with a regimen at the beginning of any signs of covid (i.e. early). I will tell you unequivocally, expedited recovery. No one stating so has any reason to lie. Happy to get into HCQ, too, and how unsafe that is.

You don't appear to understand the regulatory process for pharmaceuticals. I'm pretty close to an expert in the topic, as I shepherded about a dozen pharmaceuticals through the regulatory filing process for various diseases during my time at Merck (including at least one EUA - for our Crixivan antiviral well before formal approval, as it was a life saver). So let's go through this a bit, noting that there can be (and were) multiple EUAs for unmet needs during the first year+ of COVID.

• HCQ received an EUA in April 2020 for COVID, which was rescinded in June, when it became clear the data, in actual use, did not indicate any efficacy (and showed some safety issues). Even though HCQ has been in use for years as an anti-inflammatory for malaria and lupus, it needed an EUA, since its proposed use was as an antiviral (a different mechanism).
• Remdesivir received an EUA as an antiviral in June 2020 for COVID and was fully approved by the FDA in October 2020, although to be fair, the data for approval were not overwhelming (but given the unmet need it was approved).
• Dexamethasone (steroid for inflammation) never received an EUA for COVID, because it was being used as an antinflammatory for COVID, which is consistent with its already approved usage; in this kind of situation, doctors can simply use that drug "off-label" without an EUA. This is actually how some docs have used HCQ and ivermectin, despite no data indicating the safety/efficacy normally required for use. Also, the fact that dexamethasone was endorsed by FDA gives lie to the Big Pharma/profit motive commentary about the other drugs, since dexamethasone has been off patent for decades and is dirt cheap - it seems pretty obvious that HCQ and ivermectin would've been similarly endorsed if they worked.
• Like HCQ, ivermectin is an already approved drug (it's an antiparasitic), which showed some promise in vitro against COVID, but it never showed efficacy in animals and the human data also showed no efficacy, so it never even got an EUA for COVID and the FDA has clearly come out with guidance saying it shouldn't be used and can be dangerous if used as some have done for COVID, especially taking the drug as formulated for animals, which is a higher dose and not designed or tested for humans.
• Lastly, all of the above were drugs being evaluated as treatments for people already infected, while the vaccines were being positioned to both prevent infection and reduce the severity of those infections, so they're totally different, plus there can be multiple EUAs for treatment and/or vaccination, since EUAs aren't "fully approved" drugs. The point here is that approved EUAs for treatment (as we had) have zero impact on vaccines getting an EUA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8372837/

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...n-veklury-remdesivir-include-all-hospitalized

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Your last section on ivermectin is irrelevant, as every randomized, controlled blinded clinical trial showed no efficacy for ivermectin, so even though it's very likely safe, as you noted from years of use, who cares? There are millions of safe compounds that aren't efficacious. Again, the issue with safety was/is people self-medicating with the animal formulations of ivermectin at higher doses.

Also, you're confusing MK-7110 (an immune modulator) that never went anywhere, with MK-4482 (molnupiravir) an antiviral (similar to Pfizer's), which showed some efficacy and good safety for COVID and received an EUA - it's completely unrelated to ivermectin, i.,e., not a copycat in any way - I think I would know, as I worked on ivermectin in the late 80s/early 90s and on molnupiravir as a consultant to Merck.

Lastly, as @SkilletHead2 said well, that link you provided isn't to a published paper - it's a biased, rambling screed that nobody would ever publish in a scientific journal - having several patents and numerous published peer-reviewed scientific articles (and reviewed many others), again, I know what I'm talking about here. The best scientific review of the weight of evidence for clinical trials of ivermectin for use in COVID is in the links below, which evaluate all of the RCTs conducted to date, as far as I know, and these are unequivocal that ivermectin had no efficacy for treating COVID infections (and other trials showed no efficacy as a PREP agent, i.e., pre-exposure prophylaxis or prevention). It's also worth noting that most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 get better on their own, so the fact that you have anecdotal evidence of people taking ivermectin and getting better is meaningless in the context of larger, broader controlled clinical trials not showing that outcome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/6/1022/6310839

 

[RUInsanity]

Thank you

Except that the diatribe regarding "following the money" doesn't make logical sense. Why would Merck cut off its own potential revenue stream with Stromectol (ivermectin) in order for Pfizer and Moderna to make more money on jabs or for a risky acquisition (MK 7110) that did not pan out or for a different molecule development (MK 4482) that had competition from Pfizer and at the time there was no guarantee would work out. Regardless of the generics, if Ivermectin showed documented efficacy, Merck stood to make a windfall with Stromectol with a known branded/approved drug.

 

[RUBOB72]

What Are Delusions of Grandeur?​

Btw, did Bob's DNA analysis also definitively exclude him from Gilgo beach incident?

You have no clue but DNA plays an extremely huge part in the outcomes involving covid19. You will also find blood types mattered to the severity. Seems you make light of the tragedy in Long Island.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

Hearing he's done. Elon was right.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Dr Scott Jensen put out a video recently which is worth seeing

 

[Pancho1939]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

I like your post because you speak the undeniable truth

 

[RUBOB72]

I like your post because you speak the undeniable truth

There are those so called experts ( from this board ) who will fall upon their sword in order to feel a sense of vindication. The same holds true for MSM who continue to defend the nefarious actions by the current leader of the free world and doing a bang up job of giving away many freebies to those who don’t really deserve them. The actual truth doesn’t matter on either side. The mere fact that 3 years later nobody has the guts to say where , how and whom were involved in releasing this virus.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

Tell me you didn’t graduate from Rutgers by not saying you didn’t graduate from Rutgers.

Guy is big dumb.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Tell me you didn’t graduate from Rutgers by not saying you didn’t graduate from Rutgers.

Guy is big dumb.

LOLz, it’s the other way around with you & him.

Not one thing he said is incorrect

 

[RUBlackout7]

LOLz, it’s the other way around with you & him.

Not one thing he said is incorrect

Guy literally started out his rambling post with, don’t pay attention to scientific studies….just trust me bro 😂😂😂

No shocker another low IQ non-Rutgers graduate agrees with someone who can’t even use the word “their” correctly.

 

[RUDead]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

You don't appear to understand the regulatory process for pharmaceuticals. I'm pretty close to an expert in the topic, as I shepherded about a dozen pharmaceuticals through the regulatory filing process for various diseases during my time at Merck (including at least one EUA - for our Crixivan antiviral well before formal approval, as it was a life saver). So let's go through this a bit, noting that there can be (and were) multiple EUAs for unmet needs during the first year+ of COVID.

• HCQ received an EUA in April 2020 for COVID, which was rescinded in June, when it became clear the data, in actual use, did not indicate any efficacy (and showed some safety issues). Even though HCQ has been in use for years as an anti-inflammatory for malaria and lupus, it needed an EUA, since its proposed use was as an antiviral (a different mechanism).
• Remdesivir received an EUA as an antiviral in June 2020 for COVID and was fully approved by the FDA in October 2020, although to be fair, the data for approval were not overwhelming (but given the unmet need it was approved).
• Dexamethasone (steroid for inflammation) never received an EUA for COVID, because it was being used as an antinflammatory for COVID, which is consistent with its already approved usage; in this kind of situation, doctors can simply use that drug "off-label" without an EUA. This is actually how some docs have used HCQ and ivermectin, despite no data indicating the safety/efficacy normally required for use. Also, the fact that dexamethasone was endorsed by FDA gives lie to the Big Pharma/profit motive commentary about the other drugs, since dexamethasone has been off patent for decades and is dirt cheap - it seems pretty obvious that HCQ and ivermectin would've been similarly endorsed if they worked.
• Like HCQ, ivermectin is an already approved drug (it's an antiparasitic), which showed some promise in vitro against COVID, but it never showed efficacy in animals and the human data also showed no efficacy, so it never even got an EUA for COVID and the FDA has clearly come out with guidance saying it shouldn't be used and can be dangerous if used as some have done for COVID, especially taking the drug as formulated for animals, which is a higher dose and not designed or tested for humans.
• Lastly, all of the above were drugs being evaluated as treatments for people already infected, while the vaccines were being positioned to both prevent infection and reduce the severity of those infections, so they're totally different, plus there can be multiple EUAs for treatment and/or vaccination, since EUAs aren't "fully approved" drugs. The point here is that approved EUAs for treatment (as we had) have zero impact on vaccines getting an EUA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8372837/

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...n-veklury-remdesivir-include-all-hospitalized

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Your last section on ivermectin is irrelevant, as every randomized, controlled blinded clinical trial showed no efficacy for ivermectin, so even though it's very likely safe, as you noted from years of use, who cares? There are millions of safe compounds that aren't efficacious. Again, the issue with safety was/is people self-medicating with the animal formulations of ivermectin at higher doses.

Also, you're confusing MK-7110 (an immune modulator) that never went anywhere, with MK-4482 (molnupiravir) an antiviral (similar to Pfizer's), which showed some efficacy and good safety for COVID and received an EUA - it's completely unrelated to ivermectin, i.,e., not a copycat in any way - I think I would know, as I worked on ivermectin in the late 80s/early 90s and on molnupiravir as a consultant to Merck.

Lastly, as @SkilletHead2 said well, that link you provided isn't to a published paper - it's a biased, rambling screed that nobody would ever publish in a scientific journal - having several patents and numerous published peer-reviewed scientific articles (and reviewed many others), again, I know what I'm talking about here. The best scientific review of the weight of evidence for clinical trials of ivermectin for use in COVID is in the links below, which evaluate all of the RCTs conducted to date, as far as I know, and these are unequivocal that ivermectin had no efficacy for treating COVID infections (and other trials showed no efficacy as a PREP agent, i.e., pre-exposure prophylaxis or prevention). It's also worth noting that most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 get better on their own, so the fact that you have anecdotal evidence of people taking ivermectin and getting better is meaningless in the context of larger, broader controlled clinical trials not showing that outcome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/6/1022/6310839

So you think it was the jab that got him?

 

[RU848789]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

Literally nothing you said in this post was correct. You have absolutely zero understanding of medicine or science and continue to spew complete nonsense despite several of us with a high level of expertise in key areas having tried to explain the relevant COVID science and medicine to you (with links to peer reviewed articles, while you've provided nothing to back up any of your positions).

 

[fsg2]

Thanks for the link, and the numbers you had may well have been right at some point as this was a study that was extended from the initial design. But the mortality data are dramatically different. 8 people died in the vaxxed group versus 162 in the placebo group.

The ivermectin study has no author listed and hasn't undergone peer review. It also includes studies that no reasonable meta-analysis would include. There is study after study in respectable journals showing ivermectin to be ineffective.

To agree with you one would have to believe that Fauci, the CDC, the FDA, the medical research establishment, the peer-reviewed journals, and all the major drug companies in America and internationally had gotten together in some massive fraud. Also, the data show that the vaccines work.

Occam's razor. What is the simpler explanation?

The best is how he waited a week after getting mercilessly owned, by actual doctors citing actual evidence, just to write a tl;dr tantrum based exclusively on rage and butthurt, with no facts, data or even a link to some angry veterinarian's anti-vax tweet from 17 months ago.

The two sides of the debate in a nutshell.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Why are you people wasting your time?

This whole thread is ridiculous. If you were alive during covid you do not need the links of studies and graphs to try to prove your point. We were all alive. Based on having a brain we know that…

Masks did nothing to stop the spread. Remember when every one had covid in 2021 through omicron when all of NY and NJ had mask mandates? Explains that to me.

The vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Remember when the vaccinated kept getting covid?

The vaccine increased risk of myocarditis and blood clots. We all know more people today with these issues than ever before.

Closing schools was an absolute disaster and had zero effect on covid. Ask the local psychologist if it was worth it.

Kids were at zero risk of covid unless they had a serious underlying condition.

Ventilators did not work. well if ventilators worked why did 90% of people put on ventilators die?

These and many other things about covid are 100% true and exactly the opposite of what the “experts” told us.

The response will be “well that is anecdotal look at all these studies” the problem with the studies are they are all corrupted by who pays them and the fear they had that they were all going to die. They mean nothing. Remember the mask study last year(I forget the name) but basically the statistics said masks had a negligible effect but in the summary the “experts” still recommended masks just to be safe? These people are clowns and our country is a worse off place now because of them.

The people who advocated for vaccine mandates, mask mandates, school closures, etc have blood on there hands and now feel extremely guilty. Based on this guilt they will do whatever it takes so people don’t blame them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt for believing the nonsense.

For f*ck sake, while we were all wearing masks the obama’s had a party in Martha’s Vineyard with 300 people and not one person had a mask except the help. The best part is there was no outbreak and no one died…

Again, you will say if vaccines work how did everyone who was vaccinated get covid and the experts will change the definition of vaccine and call it a “breakthrough case”. How many breakthrough cases do we need before we acknowledge that maybe just maybe they didn’t work.

This might be the absolute stupidest post of all time on this board...and there have been some doozies. You rank up there bro, right at the top.

 

[RUbbFannn]

Don’t look now but the FDA just approved treating Covid with Ivermectin.

 

[RUBOB72]

The election of 2024 is right around the corner😜 got to get their act together . Border wall , actual attempt to drive down crime… so typical .

 

[toby83]

This week two kids died

Liberty football few days ago

And a seventeen year old dropped dead today in Alabama, ESPN Top 50.

There could be a hundred in a week and fools here would say it's anything but the vaccine. Retards gonna retard.

 

[RUBlackout7]

This week two kids died

Liberty football few days ago

And a seventeen year old dropped dead today in Alabama, ESPN Top 50.

There could be a hundred in a week and fools here would say it's anything but the vaccine. Retards gonna retard.

The Liberty player killed himself. You own yourself every time 😂😂😂

 

[Pancho1939]

Literally nothing you said in this post was correct. You have absolutely zero understanding of medicine or science and continue to spew complete nonsense despite several of us with a high level of expertise in key areas having tried to explain the relevant COVID science and medicine to you (with links to peer reviewed articles, while you've provided nothing to back up any of your positions).

Several of you were not discussing relevant science with a high level of expertise. Several of you were stroking yourselves to show how smart you guys are…

remember when we were told if you go to a restaurant and are sitting down you can’t get covid so take the mask off but once you stand up and leave you could get it so put the mask back on? Can you send me that peer reviewed study?

Remember when we put up those plastic dividers at the grocery store? Can you send me the peer reviewed study showing that saved lives?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows that politicians are immune from covid except when they were giving speeches or taking pictures?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows athletes playing in the game can’t get covid so they don’t need to wear a mask but once they sit on the bench they can get it again and so need a mask and sit 6 feet apart?

Kyrie Irving was unvaccinated and could not play in games but could sit in the stands to watch the game. Can you send me the peer reviewed study that justifies this?

It is seriously scary that if covid makes a comeback you would put people back on ventilators, lockdown schools, etc... I guess not enough kids killed themselves or aren’t on enough depressions meds…. Medical professionals helping medical professionals I guess.

To be honest, you guys keep digging yourselves into deeper and deeper holes when you try to justify all the nonsense. The more you guys try to justify your actions the more credibility you lose.

 

[toby83]

The Liberty player killed himself. You own yourself every time 😂😂😂

Oh didn't see that. Assume Bronny and kid from Alabama also tried to kill themselves.

 

[fsg2]

Several of you were not discussing relevant science with a high level of expertise. Several of you were stroking yourselves to show how smart you guys are…

remember when we were told if you go to a restaurant and are sitting down you can’t get covid so take the mask off but once you stand up and leave you could get it so put the mask back on? Can you send me that peer reviewed study?

Remember when we put up those plastic dividers at the grocery store? Can you send me the peer reviewed study showing that saved lives?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows that politicians are immune from covid except when they were giving speeches or taking pictures?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows athletes playing in the game can’t get covid so they don’t need to wear a mask but once they sit on the bench they can get it again and so need a mask and sit 6 feet apart?

Kyrie Irving was unvaccinated and could not play in games but could sit in the stands to watch the game. Can you send me the peer reviewed study that justifies this?

It is seriously scary that if covid makes a comeback you would put people back on ventilators, lockdown schools, etc... I guess not enough kids killed themselves or aren’t on enough depressions meds…. Medical professionals helping medical professionals I guess.

To be honest, you guys keep digging yourselves into deeper and deeper holes when you try to justify all the nonsense. The more you guys try to justify your actions the more credibility you lose.

How much time did you waste on that idiocy?

You actually went back and edited ...lmao.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

The Liberty player killed himself. You own yourself every time 😂😂😂

As he said, tardz are gonna tardz. He’s a sick guy.

 

[Zak57]

Don’t look now but the FDA just approved treating Covid with Ivermectin.

Link?

 

[RU848789]

Don’t look now but the FDA just approved treating Covid with Ivermectin.

The FDA did nothing of the kind, but I'm sure you know that - or are simply ignorant of how the FDA works. As I said previously, ivermectin has been approved for human use for years for various parasitic infections, meaning doctors are technically allowed to prescribe ivermectin in an off-label fashion for COVID or other conditions.

However, that doesn't mean the FDA doesn't have a responsibility to inform the public, as they have done, that ivemectin has shown no efficacy against SARS-CoV-2 and furthermore that use of various animal formulations of ivermectin (in higher doses than for humans in different formulations, that were never approved for humans) is likely quite dangerous, as has been observed in many cases.

All of this right wing "alternative medicine" chatter about ivermectin and what the case before the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals means for ivermectin, is filled with misinformation. If you want to read what really happened in that court, read this including the excerpt below. Unfortunately, there are a lot of morons out there, who believe that ivermectin works for COVID, just like there are plenty of idiots who believe videos showing lidocaine is good to give teething babies, when, in fact, it can lead to seizures and possibly death.

https://www.courthousenews.com/iver...-fifth-circuit-to-revive-lawsuit-against-fda/

U.S. Circuit Judge Don Willett, a Trump appointee, pressed Honold to define the limits of the FDA’s jurisdiction.

“You concede the FDA has no authority to issue medical advice, correct? That is not arguable, right? The FDA cannot issue medical advice,” he said.

“No, your honor,” Honold replied. “The government is not conceding that in this case.”

She said when people are using drugs in unsafe ways, leading to hospitalizations, it “is not only permissible, it is imperative that the FDA be able to inform the public of its scientific views about safe uses of drugs.”

For example, Honold said, the FDA recently issued advisories warning people it is not safe to eat chicken cooked in the cough syrup NyQuil — a recipe that spread on the social media app TikTok. And in 2014, Honold noted, the FDA cautioned against using lidocaine off-label as a numbing agent for teething babies because it can cause seizures and deaths for them.

“The FDA has to be able to make these kinds of public safety statements. Under plaintiffs’ theory, FDA would not be able to communicate to the public in this way,” Honold argued.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Link?

There won’t be a link bc that’s not what the feds said. They said that they can’t technically stop doctors for prescribing for Covid bc it has other approved uses. The position is they can’t affect the doctor/patient relationship after already approving its safety for other uses. So it’s not effective, the FDA still says it SHOULDN’T be used, but if consenting adults and their doctors want to take it, they probably have that right.

 

[RU848789]

Link?

See my post debunking that. I could do this full time given the number of gullible idiots on social media, lol.

 

[RU848789]

Several of you were not discussing relevant science with a high level of expertise. Several of you were stroking yourselves to show how smart you guys are…

remember when we were told if you go to a restaurant and are sitting down you can’t get covid so take the mask off but once you stand up and leave you could get it so put the mask back on? Can you send me that peer reviewed study?

Remember when we put up those plastic dividers at the grocery store? Can you send me the peer reviewed study showing that saved lives?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows that politicians are immune from covid except when they were giving speeches or taking pictures?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows athletes playing in the game can’t get covid so they don’t need to wear a mask but once they sit on the bench they can get it again and so need a mask and sit 6 feet apart?

Kyrie Irving was unvaccinated and could not play in games but could sit in the stands to watch the game. Can you send me the peer reviewed study that justifies this?

It is seriously scary that if covid makes a comeback you would put people back on ventilators, lockdown schools, etc... I guess not enough kids killed themselves or aren’t on enough depressions meds…. Medical professionals helping medical professionals I guess.

To be honest, you guys keep digging yourselves into deeper and deeper holes when you try to justify all the nonsense. The more you guys try to justify your actions the more credibility you lose.

Posts like this reveal a complete lack of knowledge of how scientific research is conducted. It's hard enough to conduct a randomized controlled study evaluating mask effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection in animals (but a few were done, showing good efficacy against the original strain, but less efficacy against omicron and varying efficacy across mask types), but ethically, one is not allowed to do such studies with humans being purposely exposed to the virus, because both the "test" subjects (with masks) and "control" subjects (without masks) would run the risk of being infected and getting very ill and/or dying. So there are no "peer reviewed" studies directly looking at any of the situations you raised.

This means that public health leaders had to try to fashion recommendations with very imperfect knowledge of mask and/or distancing efficacy and sometimes the guidances changed as more data became available (especially retrospective evaluations of infection rates in populations protected by masks vs. those not wearing masks, showing significant mask protection) - and yes, sometimes the guidances seemed illogical or inconsistent especially in different jurisdictions.

The one exception to not being allowed to do such randomized/controlled studies was with vaccines, where tens of thousands of people volunteered to participate in either getting the vax or a placebo (nobody knew who got what at the time, except the very small data safety monitoring board for the study, as is customary), but none of these people were subjected to exposure to the virus, which would be unethical - they just went about their "normal" lives and data was gathered on who got infected (and how severely) and who didn't and when the clinical trial was unblinded, it was obvious that the vaccinated group had about 95% efficacy against getting infected and, at the time, 100% prevention of death vs. the unvaccinated group (only later on, with tens of millions getting infected, including some vaccinated people did we see very small numbers of deaths in vaccinated people, although far less than in unvaccinated people).

 

[toby83]

Several of you were not discussing relevant science with a high level of expertise. Several of you were stroking yourselves to show how smart you guys are…

remember when we were told if you go to a restaurant and are sitting down you can’t get covid so take the mask off but once you stand up and leave you could get it so put the mask back on? Can you send me that peer reviewed study?

Remember when we put up those plastic dividers at the grocery store? Can you send me the peer reviewed study showing that saved lives?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows that politicians are immune from covid except when they were giving speeches or taking pictures?

Can you send me the peer reviewed study that shows athletes playing in the game can’t get covid so they don’t need to wear a mask but once they sit on the bench they can get it again and so need a mask and sit 6 feet apart?

Kyrie Irving was unvaccinated and could not play in games but could sit in the stands to watch the game. Can you send me the peer reviewed study that justifies this?

It is seriously scary that if covid makes a comeback you would put people back on ventilators, lockdown schools, etc... I guess not enough kids killed themselves or aren’t on enough depressions meds…. Medical professionals helping medical professionals I guess.

To be honest, you guys keep digging yourselves into deeper and deeper holes when you try to justify all the nonsense. The more you guys try to justify your actions the more credibility you lose.

Great post

 

[Zak57]

See my post debunking that. I could do this full time given the number of gullible idiots on social media, lol.

I know I just wanted to see what dumb thing was posted to pick it apart.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Caleb White, a senior at Pinson Valley High School, was pronounced dead after being transported to the hospital Thursday, officials said.

The medical event occurred around 1:12 p.m. local time and the 17-year-old was pronounced dead a little over an hour later, according to the Jefferson County Coroner/Medical Examiner's Office. A postmortem examination will be performed on Friday to help determine the cause and manner of death, the office said.

Pinson Valley High School Principal Michael Turner notified families of the incident in a letter Thursday night. Lifesaving efforts were "immediately started" and first responders were called to the school, he said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/alaba...all--star-caleb-white-dies/story?id=102202412

 

[RU_03]

Getting/having COVID itself causes an increase in cardiovascular risk (even more than the vaccine).

Young male athletes put more stress on their hearts than the average person would.

Common sense dictates then that an increase in cardiovascular events for young males shouldn't be shocking to anyone.

 

[RUfubar]

Posts like this reveal a complete lack of knowledge of how scientific research is conducted. It's hard enough to conduct a randomized controlled study evaluating mask effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection in animals (but a few were done, showing good efficacy against the original strain, but less efficacy against omicron and varying efficacy across mask types), but ethically, one is not allowed to do such studies with humans being purposely exposed to the virus, because both the "test" subjects (with masks) and "control" subjects (without masks) would run the risk of being infected and getting very ill and/or dying. So there are no "peer reviewed" studies directly looking at any of the situations you raised.

This means that public health leaders had to try to fashion recommendations with very imperfect knowledge of mask and/or distancing efficacy and sometimes the guidances changed as more data became available (especially retrospective evaluations of infection rates in populations protected by masks vs. those not wearing masks, showing significant mask protection) - and yes, sometimes the guidances seemed illogical or inconsistent especially in different jurisdictions.

The one exception to not being allowed to do such randomized/controlled studies was with vaccines, where tens of thousands of people volunteered to participate in either getting the vax or a placebo (nobody knew who got what at the time, except the very small data safety monitoring board for the study, as is customary), but none of these people were subjected to exposure to the virus, which would be unethical - they just went about their "normal" lives and data was gathered on who got infected (and how severely) and who didn't and when the clinical trial was unblinded, it was obvious that the vaccinated group had about 95% efficacy against getting infected and, at the time, 100% prevention of death vs. the unvaccinated group (only later on, with tens of millions getting infected, including some vaccinated people did we see very small numbers of deaths in vaccinated people, although far less than in unvaccinated people).

I can't help wondering how all this antagonism, backlash & questioning the motivation of science & medicine will play out in the future - especially amongst the younger . Will the same lack of trust come with any new/novel drug development ? Will this new era of the oppositional-defiant stance against science & medicine mean more will reject allopathic therapy for their (or their family's) future cancer or other severe disease ? It is really not worth arguing about anymore. As an old girlfriend once said. "My mind's made up so don't bother me with any facts."

 

[RU_DIO]

Curious to know if in any of the Ivermectin studies was it given as a prophylactic or at the onset of Covid diagnosis. The only people I know who administered it gave it after a patient was admitted to the hospital and had Covid for a while. I have read that Ivermectin worked if giving immediately upon symptoms or as a preventative.

For any docs or scientists, is this article legit?

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching - PubMed

In this large PSM study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract​

Background: Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action that potentially protect from both coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities. Based on the studies suggesting efficacy in prophylaxis combined with the known safety profile of ivermectin, a citywide prevention program using ivermectin for COVID-19 was implemented in Itajaí, a southern city in Brazil in the state of Santa Catarina. The objective of this study was to evaluate the impact of regular ivermectin use on subsequent COVID-19 infection and mortality rates.
Materials and methods: We analyzed data from a prospective, observational study of the citywide COVID-19 prevention with ivermectin program, which was conducted between July 2020 and December 2020 in Itajaí, Brazil. Study design, institutional review board approval, and analysis of registry data occurred after completion of the program. The program consisted of inviting the entire population of Itajaí to a medical visit to enroll in the program and to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day. In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment. Clinical outcomes of infection, hospitalization, and death were automatically reported and entered into the registry in real time. Study analysis consisted of comparing ivermectin users with non-users using cohorts of infected patients propensity score-matched by age, sex, and comorbidities. COVID-19 infection and mortality rates were analyzed with and without the use of propensity score matching (PSM).
Results: Of the 223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered for the study, a total of 159,561 subjects were included in the analysis: 113,845 (71.3%) regular ivermectin users and 45,716 (23.3%) non-users. Of these, 4,311 ivermectin users were infected, among which 4,197 were from the city of Itajaí (3.7% infection rate), and 3,034 non-users (from Itajaí) were infected (6.6% infection rate), with a 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate (risk ratio [RR], 0.56; 95% confidence interval (95% CI), 0.53-0.58; p < 0.0001). Using PSM, two cohorts of 3,034 subjects suffering from COVID-19 infection were compared. The regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality (25 [0.8%] versus 79 [2.6%] among ivermectin non-users; RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49; p < 0.0001). When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001). There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate (44 versus 99 hospitalizations among ivermectin users and non-users, respectively; RR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.31-0.63; p < 0.0001). After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67% (RR, 0.33; 95% CI, 023-0.66; p < 0.0001).
Conclusion: In this large PSM study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.

 

[RUbbFannn]

Interesting article. You have to ask yourself why. Dr Kory is the Dr who treated Joe Rogan with Ivermectin. https://www.westernjournal.com/repo...ment-government-discourages-average-citizens/