Exactly correct on this Proud. He will never capitulate one iota .He truly believes all science is finite . No possibility that many of the things done by medical people were totally unproven and were unwarranted . There were things clearly sensible but in the midst of uncertainty we over reacted . We placed our faith and belief in a government which is proving to be one sided and lacking trust.
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LOL...covid particles are droplet particles...thats much different than airborne... you really are trying to swim upstream here.
Per UPenn study:
- "The overwhelming majority of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is via large respiratory droplets as conclusively demonstrated by contact tracing studies, cluster investigations, the lack of infection spread in hospital settings with universal masking protocols and the low estimated R
"Those Anti-Covid Plastic Barriers Probably Don’t Help and May Make Things Worse"
"Probaly" and "could" are not very definitive. Those are some shaky, scientific words. And you referenced a grocery store setting. Big difference than the all mighty NY Times article. Costco/supermarkets have 10-20 aisles in a massive warehouse/open space settings. Barriers prevent droplet dispersion. Please research the difference between droplet/airborne and then how to prevent transmission of each. Feel free to get back, but when people continually ignore medical facts, twist notions that covid is airborne, etc...the waters get murky.
Just sayin’…when America was “great” less-educated people deferred to educated people. We should do that now.
Also, arguing with an educated expert on a topic when you have no expertise is pathetic.
Also, arguing with an educated expert on a topic when you have no expertise is pathetic.
Not a true statement . We haven’t been GREAT for sometime now. And what actually constitutes or qualifies one for being educated , a college degree? That hasn’t worked . How many people in the USA population out of 350-370 million have more than a high school education? Education is wonderful . Common sense is still quite important especially dealing with average Joe on the street.
I hate when people confuse education with intelligence.
There are many who conflate their “education “ with common sense and intelligence . Look at our current leadership on both sides of the aisle. Most have multiple sheepskins. Does that make you still believe we should turn the decisions over to them without questioning. More nonsense is giving them even more power and elitism entitlements .
You lack common sense and intelligence
@RUfubar touched on research flaws and author conflicts of interest with the Brazilian paper you've cited above, where ivermectin supposedly reduced mortality in COVID patients. Some more details are worth noting, as summarized well in the articles linked below. The bottom line is that this paper is weak, at best, and far less convincing than the number of much more robust studies which show that ivermectin has no efficacy in preventing/treating COVID (2nd section, below).Curious to know if in any of the Ivermectin studies was it given as a prophylactic or at the onset of Covid diagnosis. The only people I know who administered it gave it after a patient was admitted to the hospital and had Covid for a while. I have read that Ivermectin worked if giving immediately upon symptoms or as a preventative.
For any docs or scientists, is this article legit?
Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching - PubMed
In this large PSM study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Abstract
Background: Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action that potentially protect from both coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities. Based on the studies suggesting efficacy in prophylaxis combined with the known safety profile of ivermectin, a citywide prevention program using ivermectin for COVID-19 was implemented in Itajaí, a southern city in Brazil in the state of Santa Catarina. The objective of this study was to evaluate the impact of regular ivermectin use on subsequent COVID-19 infection and mortality rates.
Materials and methods: We analyzed data from a prospective, observational study of the citywide COVID-19 prevention with ivermectin program, which was conducted between July 2020 and December 2020 in Itajaí, Brazil. Study design, institutional review board approval, and analysis of registry data occurred after completion of the program. The program consisted of inviting the entire population of Itajaí to a medical visit to enroll in the program and to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day. In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment. Clinical outcomes of infection, hospitalization, and death were automatically reported and entered into the registry in real time. Study analysis consisted of comparing ivermectin users with non-users using cohorts of infected patients propensity score-matched by age, sex, and comorbidities. COVID-19 infection and mortality rates were analyzed with and without the use of propensity score matching (PSM).
Results: Of the 223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered for the study, a total of 159,561 subjects were included in the analysis: 113,845 (71.3%) regular ivermectin users and 45,716 (23.3%) non-users. Of these, 4,311 ivermectin users were infected, among which 4,197 were from the city of Itajaí (3.7% infection rate), and 3,034 non-users (from Itajaí) were infected (6.6% infection rate), with a 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate (risk ratio [RR], 0.56; 95% confidence interval (95% CI), 0.53-0.58; p < 0.0001). Using PSM, two cohorts of 3,034 subjects suffering from COVID-19 infection were compared. The regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality (25 [0.8%] versus 79 [2.6%] among ivermectin non-users; RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49; p < 0.0001). When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001). There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate (44 versus 99 hospitalizations among ivermectin users and non-users, respectively; RR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.31-0.63; p < 0.0001). After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67% (RR, 0.33; 95% CI, 023-0.66; p < 0.0001).
Conclusion: In this large PSM study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
Comments on the Brazil Paper:
First off, this is not a randomized, placebo-controlled, double blind prospective study (the gold standard for clinical trials) in any way and, in fact, has numerous serious flaws in design and execution as per the excerpt and link below from a Health Feedback article (there are several more flaws discussed in the article). Having a complete lack of control and lack of knowledge of who was taking ivermectin and for how long (and who wasn't) is a huge red flag (and why placebo-controlled doube blind studies are so much better).
“The study contained multiple methodological flaws that call the reliability of its conclusions into question. For example, there are indications that many people assigned to the ivermectin treatment group didn’t take the drug consistently, or stopped taking it after a while. It is therefore unclear whether any observed effect in this group can be reliably attributed to ivermectin treatment,” Health Feedback concluded.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/s...support-ivermectin-as-treatment-for-covid-19/
In addition, several of the authors have clear conflicts of interest, including being members of the FLCCC group, led by coauthor Pierre Kory, who along with two other authors have financial interests in promoting ivermectin, which their company promotes, as detailed below (article linked below that).
Finally, at least two of the authors, Flavio Cadegiani and Juan Chamie, are members of a group called the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC). This group, led by physicians Pierre Kory and Paul Marik, propagated unsupported claims about ivermectin as an effective COVID-19 treatment. Cadegiani is also the principal investigator of a clinical trial that is being investigated for potential violations of medical ethics and human rights by Brazil’s National Health Council, as reported by the British Medical Journal. Cadegiani and Lucy Kerr also have financial conflicts of interest from their work for a company that produces ivermectin.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ological-weaknesses-questionable-conclusions/
Other Studies on Ivermectin:
With regard to high quality, peer-reviewed, RCT-style studies on ivermectin use to prevent (prophylaxis) or treat early COVID infections, there are quite a few and all of these have not shown any efficacy for ivermectin in prevention or treatment. Several of these are linked below.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789362
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2022.919708/full
https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/Full...vermectin_prophylaxis_in_prevention_of.9.aspx
Finally, note that there was one RCT study (Elgazzar et al) that received a lot of press, given the very positive results shown for ivermectin against COVID, but that it was eventually withdrawn, due to potential data fraud, which also meant that a number of meta analyses, which included it as a key study, were no longer valid. As per the article linked below: "some of the issues include duplicated patient records, patients whose records indicate they died before the study started, and phrases that were identical to other published work."
https://www.albertahealthservices.c...-in-treatment-and-prevention-rapid-review.pdf
I like all the non-RU graduates in here trying to define intelligence 😂
Wondered why the Bronny thread still had legs, so opened it and went right to page 7. Epic mistake.
As a general statement, this is absurd.
People get intubated to get their appendix taken out, to get colonoscopies - ventilators, going on them and coming off them is routine.
People with Econ degrees from state schools love to pretend they know more about medicine and science than actual doctors. They’re mostly just trying to overcompensate for their lack of success in life.
However, The medical community lost all credibility the past few years.
FIFY, which is especially obvious, since you've never used the word "penchant" before and have never spelled "conspiracy" correctly before, either.
there are many that would like it to go away, just like all the other kids collapsing stories. these people brush them off , pretend they didn't happen.
There is a major difference and you saw that during covid19. In your initial response you would be correct as the flow it is measured and charted in volume released. They found most didn’t respond well to “overflow “ in an attempt to help breathing. Actually, most did better without actually being intubated. There is a belief by some that less is / was the better choice .Patients have had the tendency to go into shock and cardiac arrest while being intubated. Most of them were more likely elderly. They would never outwardly admit any possibility of error with the original treatment of those having respiratory distress.
This RU Econ major knows to defer to the community of experts in the medical field. And stay out of COVID arguments.
But since I’m here now, anyone who is interested in doing something about sudden cardiac arrest in young athletes might want to check out this link. An RU classmate started this after losing her teenage son to cardiac arrest in 2006.
JoAnne Taylor Babbitt, MBA
JoAnne Taylor Babbitt is Vice President and co-founder of the John Taylor Babbitt Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization named in memory of her son and dedicated to preventing sudden cardiac death.
You should defer from more topics TBHThis RU Econ major knows to defer to the community of experts in the medical field. And stay out of COVID arguments.
But since I’m here now, anyone who is interested in doing something about sudden cardiac arrest in young athletes might want to check out this link. An RU classmate started this after losing her teenage son to cardiac arrest in 2006.
JoAnne Taylor Babbitt, MBA
JoAnne Taylor Babbitt is Vice President and co-founder of the John Taylor Babbitt Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization named in memory of her son and dedicated to preventing sudden cardiac death.www.sca-aware.org
You’re very childish in addition to ignorant
You more than anyone here should hide in embarrassment from your falsehoods and misinformation.
Not sure if its's been mentioned, but another cause of cardiac arrest in athletes is the use of certain stimulants as performance enhancing drugs, primarily ephedrine related products, sometimes combined with caffeine. This has been documented in the past in certain on the field or on court tragedies.
One day when I was moonlighting in retail pharmacy in addition to my clinical job, a large group of young men came to the pharmacy counter and asked for bronkaid or primatene tablets (which contain ephedrine). I asked what they wanted it for, and they said to increase football performance since practice had just started for the upcoming season. I explained why I couldn't sell it to them and explained the dangers, and they left without arguing, probably headed to the next nearby pharmacy. Ephedrine, and especially when combined with caffeine, has caused some very serious adverse effects in athletes who use it as a performance enhancing drug.
One day when I was moonlighting in retail pharmacy in addition to my clinical job, a large group of young men came to the pharmacy counter and asked for bronkaid or primatene tablets (which contain ephedrine). I asked what they wanted it for, and they said to increase football performance since practice had just started for the upcoming season. I explained why I couldn't sell it to them and explained the dangers, and they left without arguing, probably headed to the next nearby pharmacy. Ephedrine, and especially when combined with caffeine, has caused some very serious adverse effects in athletes who use it as a performance enhancing drug.
The guy that literally posts childish memes and trolls message boards all day with misinformation talking about childishness and falsehoods.
We have now entered the twilight zone 😵💫
The “ignore“ option is a wonderful thing. The guy is not a good human.
Is non prescription ephedrine still a thing? I did not know that it was. I used to get the best workouts on ultimate Orange and caffeine
Here we go..... ACCTUALLY they are droplet particles NOT covid particles. You ae so smart.
Covid particles, i am sorry DROPLET PARTICLES, are aerosolized particles floating in the air. Sure. the larger droplets fall to the ground while the rest continue to float around, which no matter how good your mask is, eventually make their way into your body. By mask i mean glued to your face, not already tainted and does not allow any air to enter. Any other mask would provided very limited benefit.
Second, the plexiglass all over the stores impedes the free flow of air which limited the benefit of air ventilation systems. Which was one thing that every company and school ran too to upgrade in the fight against covid.
The fabrication of the large droplet gets completely blown out of the water when people who wore masks 24/7 got covid.
So again let's put our thinking caps on and think rationally and logically and determine if the 2' x 3" piece of plastic actually helped.
I am jealous you never responded to my last question. Please do not ignore me.
Do you think that forcing players to mask and sit 6 feet apart on the bench when not playing but letting them take the mask off to play had any effect on stopping the spread of covid?
In a lot of states it's still treated like pseudoephedrine (Sudafed). You ask for it at the pharmacy counter, show ID, and if it's for a legitimate medical reason, the sale is made and an electronic log is kept of how much you purchase. There are limits on how much you can buy at one time, and on how much you can buy in a certain time period.
And regarding the Ultimate Orange and caffeine, if you worked out on hot sweltering days and pushed your body to the max, I'm really glad you're still with us Milo... But what you say explains why the combination was so popular and may still be.
And not to change the subject, but also regarding ephedra/ephedrine, my girlfriend's teenage daughter was using an over the counter ephedra/caffeine product for weight loss back when those products were still available. She was amazed by the product and by how rapidly she was able to lose weight. Until she had a mini-stroke and lost the vision in her left eye permanently. True story.
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Wow. Did not know you can still get that. Crazy.
You could get Ultimate Orange at GNC or any store like that back in the mid 90's.
I know they stopped selling Ultimate Orange with "ephedra" 20+ years ago.
I stopped using it well before that - it was the kind of thing you'd use and be like "this CAN'T be good for you". It worked too well. Energy level off the charts, sweat like crazy.
Triple stack was caffeine, ultimate orange and aspirin.
I think we'd have had some interesting readings if we had watches with heart rate monitors and ECG's back then.
Please forgive my error...you caught me after a round of golf, a few beers and just after a nap. Mind was a bit foggy. It's kind of funny and ironic you tried to mock my level of intelligence but within that sentence, you couldn't spell "are" correctly. Whatever.
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Your syntax makes my head hurt. Your grammar is worse than your logic.
You’re brainwashed. That’s sad.
You're welcome. My apologies on assuming incorrectly what you had heard about ivermectin from other souces.
You got four fingers pointed right back at ya Chief.
It’s always the accusers (☝🏿) that like to project their shortcomings and insecurities on the free thinkers (me).
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