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Bryce, very nice

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Gotta give the guy some kudos.

He showed he can compete and can help us, despite sitting all year then getting thrown into the fire at MSG and at NW.

Hope he gets a nice hand when he steps on the court for his first action at the RAC.
 
I don’t understand what’s in it for the institution in redshirting athletes during this new era of nil. Seems like an outdated concept.
Outside of the obvious outliers 82, the vast majority of freshman aren’t ready to compete against senior transfers and experienced players. (Men)
In traditionally strong programs, unless you’re an Ace or Dylan… the guys ahead of you are better.
I agree, preserving the red shirt is obsolete.
So they don’t play because they aren’t worthy
 
It's better for the player to preserve the red shirt if they aren't really going to see many minutes. You still got five to play four, so if your first year get s burned for 20 total minutes all season, you now only have three left, and no hope for a grad transfer year.

If you really aren't ready, and need that first year to get up to competitive speed, it works out in the player's favor.
 
Agree about the red shirt. That said, gotta be ready when called upon.

He’s now played 16 minutes in two games, with a minimum of 11 games left to play. If by some chance we find ourselves in the hunt, we’ll need whatever he can contribute.

It was telling that Ace gave a nod to Bryce in his postgame interview and the presser. He knows something.
 
Devil's advocate here

If RU has no injuries this year, whose minutes would Dortch take at this point ?

I think Ogbole brings more

Hayes is not a factor

Martini can still produce a 3 now and then (as we all saw his FT stroke)

Which would leave Grant/Sommerville

That said, looking forward to seeing what an off season in the weight room does for both him and Grant
 
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Outside of the obvious outliers 82, the vast majority of freshman aren’t ready to compete against senior transfers and experienced players. (Men)
In traditionally strong programs, unless you’re an Ace or Dylan… the guys ahead of you are better.
I agree, preserving the red shirt is obsolete.
So they don’t play because they aren’t worthy
Obviously, if they aren’t ready to play and won’t be helping the team then they shouldn’t play. But I don’t know why anyone would lament burning a redshirt given that we have no idea whether any player will be here next year let alone four years from now.
 
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Really like his length and athleticism. He will always help a Pike team. Those FTs though...eeeeesh. His shooting form needs a lot of work and was probably the reason they thought RS was best to start the year.
 
Needs to hire a shooting guru in the off season. And hit the weights.
 
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There's a Top 60 range kid that Michigan State landed in the 2024 class and he played the last 10 seconds or so at MSG and then the last 1 or 2 minutes vs their game against Minnesota Tuesday night.

I dont know what the right answer is or isn't, but that seems to be more of a issue for that MSU kid (not that anyone cares about MSU, different recruiting levels), but my initial post last week after Penn State and burning the Dortch RS was based on 3 things.

A) There’s nothing to lose by saving him when there's an extra 8 to 12 minutes a game he can help.

B) we struggle with paint and perimeter length on defense.

C) Most games are close (within 5 to 6 points).

My argument was that in 8 to 12 minutes, that's 8 to 10 possessions on each end of the court. Even if he doesn't score a basket, if Dortch prevents 2 baskets per game (he had a block and forced 2 NW traveling calls), that's potentially 6 extra points for NW.....or just 2 to 4 points.

You cannot fix the efficiency or the ratings with stuff like NET, KenPom and other things, unless you get more stops on defense. I won't comment about the woeful looking FT stroke, but other than Ace and Grant, who else elevates for the potential lob dunk he almost got??

Grant with a 1st half tip in basket in the 1st half and dunk, Dortch preventing 2 to 3 extra attempts in the game, that's probably 6 PTS on offense and preventing another 2 to 6 PTS on defense, just by playing Grant and Dortch the combined 40 minutes last night on the road. (Grant logged 26, Dortch 13 minutes).

Ace gets the headlines, he earned every bit of praise, but Ace Bailey's post game comments to Stephen Bardo about Bryce coming in and giving the team a boost......I'm 100% all in on these potential 200 or so minutes the rest of the year, against B1G competition as a steep learning curve for Dortch, Grant, Lathan etc.

There's a path to winning with Dortch playing off the bench and preventing points or shot attempts. I'll worry about 2026 and 2027 when we get there.
 
Happy that Dortch is contributing in meaningful ways. There’s no point in Red shirting kids anymore.

Thought this was a pretty dumb tweet considering he’s being given a legit opportunity and we still have 10 + conference games left. Our record should have nothing to do with the decision either.



Bardo makes a good point on the Redshirt rule though.

 
It's better for the player to preserve the red shirt if they aren't really going to see many minutes. You still got five to play four, so if your first year get s burned for 20 total minutes all season, you now only have three left, and no hope for a grad transfer year.

If you really aren't ready, and need that first year to get up to competitive speed, it works out in the player's favor.
Of course the argument against it, is you develop him and someone else scoops him up with NIL. My guess is red shirting becomes non existent.
 
Of course the argument against it, is you develop him and someone else scoops him up with NIL. My guess is red shirting becomes non existent.
Yeah. Little benefit to the team to redshirt anymore, other than perhaps to limit their retention cost. Gone are the days of redshirting someone so they are more valuable to you in years 4 and 5. Benefit is on the player's side at this point.
 
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Happy that Dortch is contributing in meaningful ways. There’s no point in Red shirting kids anymore.

Thought this was a pretty dumb tweet considering he’s being given a legit opportunity and we still have 10 + conference games left. Our record should have nothing to do with the decision either.



Bardo makes a good point on the Redshirt rule though.

Because if Pike continues to rest Harper until the young man is 110 percent.
We can win the B1G Ten tournament.. that’s why 😊👌👍
 
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I bet he’s already put on some weight since arriving.
People say Ace is rail thin and needs to hit the weights.
His normal transformation into a man will be accompanied by weight gain and strength.
I wouldn’t touch that body if I were him.
Don’t mess with a wound up sinewy athlete who seems to never get hurt
 
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People say Ace is rail thin and needs to hit the weights.
His normal transformation into a man will be accompanied by weight gain and strength.
I wouldn’t touch that body if I were him.
Don’t mess with a wound up sinewy athlete who seems to never get hurt
He did miss the first two games of the season.
 
He’s proven to me he’s durable
Yes Bryce ‘s length and athleticism will continue to help us down the stretch. As for ACE , durable he is but his 4 road games in January are off the charts in every way. The shooting % from the field , from 3 , from the foul line , as his minutes have gone up , is breathtakingly out of this world good.
 
By the way, Stephen Bardo's point above is a good one that's been discussed here before. Why do football players get to play multiple games in a shorter season and still preserve their redshirt and bball players don't? I assume there is some sort of rationale, I just can't imagine what it is.
 
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By the way, Stephen Bardo's point above is a good one that's been discussed here before. Why do football players get to play multiple games in a shorter season and still preserve their redshirt and bball players don't? I assume there is some sort of rationale, I just can't imagine what it is.
I have no idea. I can only imagine it had to do with season-ending injuries being so much more common in football.
 
Redshirting is a total obsolete concept, in today’s world get what you can get as soon as possible, not very likely anyone of value is still around in year five.
 
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