Can Flood recruit?

[WhiteBus]

OP your 4th post and you do not know RUTGERS at all U=troll
What coach, in what sport, has ever recruited at Rutgers. It is Rutgers not the coach. Do not even mention Schiano as you can go back and see he would get 1 or 2 out of the top 10-20 players in NJ and that was only in a GOOD year.
Name one sport Rutgers in the past 250 years has won a national championship in outside of fencing
When you answer that then come back and ask if Flood can recruit

Don't you think Schiano would have done a lot better if Rutgers was in the Big Ten at the time?
I think that is where there is a lot of frustration on the part of Rutgers fans. Rutgers is now a part of the Big Ten but recruiting is on a downhill not upswing.

 

[NickyNewark51]

nice to see the same old threads every time i sign back on.

I see what you mean...being an RU fan can be exasperating !!

 

[MoobyCow]

I know NLI day is far away, but I'm really concerned that Flood does not have the charisma needed to land top recruits.

No.

 

[derleider]

I've been a Rutgers fan for almost thirty years. I came up with the phrase "Same old Rutgers" long before anyone from West Virginia ever did. So I understand where you're coming from. That being said, none of that has anything to do with Kyle Flood as a head coach. If Rutgers fans want to saddle Flood with their collective decades of frustration that really doesn't help the process. He's just going into his fourth year as a head coach, has yet to have a losing season, and finally has the stability of being in the same conference. Give him a chance. Flood is not a home run hitter. Don't keep looking for home runs from him.

Look at what's happened at Rutgers in men's basketball with the previous two coaches. Hill hit a recruiting home run with Rosario and Echenique and where did that get us? He was replaced by Rice who hit a home run with his heralded class and that, too, got us nowhere. If we keep looking for coaches to hit recruiting home runs, we may just end up having the same thing happen in football as in basketball.

Um - he had a losing season just two years ago - and against what was probably our worst strength of schedule since we were D1AA.

 

[JQRU91]

Um - he had a losing season just two years ago - and against what was probably our worst strength of schedule since we were D1AA.

You're right. I forgot about the bowl game that year.

 

[cyrock3]

OP your 4th post and you do not know RUTGERS at all U=troll
What coach, in what sport, has ever recruited at Rutgers. It is Rutgers not the coach. Do not even mention Schiano as you can go back and see he would get 1 or 2 out of the top 10-20 players in NJ and that was only in a GOOD year.
Name one sport Rutgers in the past 250 years has won a national championship in outside of fencing
When you answer that then come back and ask if Flood can recruit

Women's Basketball. Wrestling.

 

[imbazza]

Don't you think Schiano would have done a lot better if Rutgers was in the Big Ten at the time?
I think that is where there is a lot of frustration on the part of Rutgers fans. Rutgers is now a part of the Big Ten but recruiting is on a downhill not upswing.

White Bus you were around when we joined the Big East and the alums said the exact same thing but our star players still went out of state to named programs. The thing about Schiano is he had an eye for sleeper talent, the players over looked. Flood does have a good eye for talent&character You can win in college with that combo.

 

[MozRU]

The equation is basic.

We need more money to get better things.

I have no idea why I chiming in to this stupid thread.

 

[imbazza]

Women's Basketball. Wrestling.

cyrock or should I call U "Crocked" when did we win a national championship in ANY SPORT?
Damn wrestling where is the banner?
Start small when did we win a B10 championship even smaller a B1G division

 

[derleider]

cyrock or should I call U "Crocked" when did we win a national championship in ANY SPORT?
Damn wrestling where is the banner?
Start small when did we win a B10 championship even smaller a B1G division

Well I can tell you where we arent going to win one. In football, with recruiting classes in the bottom third of the conference.

The question was when has anyone ever been able to recruit at Rutgers, and he gave the answer. I would argue that - duh - Schiano was able to recruit a couple of top 30 classes in a row at Rutgers, in the very sport that Flood can't do it at, with less resources, and a crumbling conference situation.

 

[RCTrooper]

Good or great recruiting is not always a leading indicator of sustained success but mediocre or bad recruiting is almost always a leading indicator of mediocrity.

The facts on the ground refute many of the objections that were used to recruit against RU football:
1) Who do they play? They're not big time! Can't even find their games on TV! (We are now in a storied conference with a network footprint that covers half of the nation)
2) They'll never compete! (A winning season in their first year in the BiG and 9 out of 10 bowl seasons)
3) Their facilities are sub-standard (They haven't been below average for 5 years now)
4) No coaching stability (Flood was extended last fall)

The historical objections to committing to Rutgers have been mitigated. We are competing against the same teams that have been going after our talent base for years but now should be better positioned.

You have to be able to sell the Rutgers value proposition; especially to a local/regional talent base. Otherwise the long term outlook is mediocre and the window will totally shut on the current staff and AD.

 

[JERSEYROOTS]

And yet, no one listens.
This is still an open forum, of mostly Rutgers fans, alumni and followers. And, as such you should have an opinion. Now, with that opinion others might not agree, that is after all anyones own perogative. But, to call someone out as a "troll" because they don't agree with you, is rude, and a little immature. Don't you think Mr. MikeFla?

who called you a troll?!

but its been discussed ad nauseum and opinons from all sides have been presented. that said, the op's question offered little by way of a new angle.

 

[redking]

RU_bhustlin is really annoying. Go back to asking Kiy Hester why he blocked you on Twitter. :D

 

[patk89]

Can we stop with the nonsense "Schiano could see ice cubes to Eskimos" Since when was GS this great recruiter? Its nonsense. He had a good year or two when he had great recruiters on his staff. Without those two he hadnt accomplished anything of note recruiting wise.

The GS worship and revisionist history is bizarre for a man who underperformed expectations for the last 5 years he was HC

GS took over what was considered the worst program in football and got them to relevance. He was widely considered a very good recruiter. Better recruiter than game day coach. Single most important factor in RU gaining admission to the B1G. You cannot possibly be that stupid. You were probably one of the many who wanted him fired in 2004. Someone who is a salesman like GS would have certainly parlayed our entrance to a major conference into recruiting success. Are you blind? I'm an optimist and hold out hope that Flood is able to bring in a good class this year but if he fails this year, it doesn't look good long term.

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

Schiano was able to recruit long before the B1G and long before the current name recognition and facilities that the program now has. A good recruiter can recruit a top class at RU - there isn't a scintilla of a doubt.

 

[MozRU]

RU_bhustlin is really annoying. Go back to asking Kiy Hester why he blocked you on Twitter. :D

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[WhiteBus]

If you follow children on any social media, you are not a man.

This.

 

[j10oreo]

Can we stop with the nonsense "Schiano could see ice cubes to Eskimos" Since when was GS this great recruiter? Its nonsense. He had a good year or two when he had great recruiters on his staff. Without those two he hadnt accomplished anything of note recruiting wise.

The GS worship and revisionist history is bizarre for a man who underperformed expectations for the last 5 years he was HC

It's as if you're stating that there was even a program to boast about before GS showed up? He was a good recruiter, scored some highly coveted recruits when we were playing in the Big East that already had a reputation that resembled the Titanic post-iceberg.

 

[DJ Spanky]

If you follow children on any social media, you are not a man.

So that confirms he's a troll? Or at least non-human?

 

[PhilaPhans]

If you follow children on any social media, you are not a man.

Yes, but talking to other men about what these "children" said on Twitter is OK so long as somebody else followed them and copied their message on a message board? I'm just really confused sometimes. I've seen a ton of people throw fits on this board and others because it was rumored that a kid was interested in a school other than Rutgers. What's the difference? Where's the line of whether you're a man or not?

 

[RU#1fan]

oh stop being negative.

Yes, being too factual and spot on will get you castrated by the Pollyannas .
It is what it is ....the guy can't recruit NJ Talent ...one Top 10 NJ Recruit in the last 3 years. That's 1 for 30.
Flood had shown he can win without relying on NJ Recriting . Terrific job and hope we can get it going.

 

[ahmeda3]

yes

 

[NYSportsFan]

The equation is basic.

We need more money to get better things.

I have no idea why I chiming in to this stupid thread.

THIS TIMES 10000

 

[j10oreo]

Unfortunately, unless Men's bball somehow becomes competitive, there's nothing really for me to get excited about during the offseason except for football recruiting. Soooooo when that's not doing too hot.... :\

 

[MADHAT1]

Women's Basketball. Wrestling.

David Winfrey is Rutgers only wrestling National Champion , the team never one the title Winfrey won his title in 1950
RU WBB won the 1982 AIAW National Championship beating 5th ranked Texas ( 35-4) in the championship game.

 

[RU_bhustlin]

Yes, but talking to other men about what these "children" said on Twitter is OK so long as somebody else followed them and copied their message on a message board? I'm just really confused sometimes. I've seen a ton of people throw fits on this board and others because it was rumored that a kid was interested in a school other than Rutgers. What's the difference? Where's the line of whether you're a man or not?

I guess this is my first and last post. I thought this was a forum to discuss Rutgers football and express opinions and concerns. I must have taken a wrong turn. The viciousness on this board makes me somewhat embarrassed to be a Rutgers fan.

 

[vandalen1]

Actually, Schiano had 1 top 30 class. The other class was saved by Flood so you need to give him credit for that one. Flood's last 2 classes were in the 50's but that had a lot to do with basketball, football and probably many other factors.
Can Flood recruit? Yes and he's proven that he's a mid level recruiter. He went 8-5 last year which isn't that bad so some of those recruits must be pretty good. I think the real question is that; Will Flood ever become a top level recruiter? I doubt that but I'm not sure if anyone can recruit top 10 classes every year outside of maybe 4-5 coaches in the country.

 

[Garyboi]

Schiano had Hafley, Angelicho, and Cignetti from Wanny's staff who dominated Northeast recruiting. They are not going to work for pennies. If you pay Hafley more than the NFL, he's here.

 

[kjb32812]

Better facilities and winning will certainly help but Flood isn't going to wow anyone on his own. As much as Franklin can sell, if he doens't start having ten win seasons he will get run out of town.

 

[j10oreo]

Vandalen, that's not within the context of this thread. Holding a class together is not necessarily the same as doing actual grinding for a commitment. Having decent record in a tough division has more to do coaching, which depending on how you look at it, could be contributed to Fridge running the offense. I believe the vast majority on this thread are talking about having the ability to go after top level recruit, which is becoming questionable since we cannot seem to catch a break with kids in our own state.

 

[cyrock3]

David Winfrey is Rutgers only wrestling National Champion , the team never one the title Winfrey won his title in 1950
RU WBB won the 1982 AIAW National Championship beating 5th ranked Texas ( 35-4) in the championship game.

The question was about recruiting, not winning.

 

[MADHAT1]

The question was about recruiting, not winning.

My mistake, I mistook your reply (RU WBB and Wrestling) to this :
>imbazza said:
Name one sport Rutgers in the past 250 years has won a national championship in outside of fencing<
as you naming the national championships RU has won besides fencing

 

[Kbee3]

Better facilities and winning will certainly help but Flood isn't going to wow anyone on his own. As much as Franklin can sell, if he doens't start having ten win seasons he will get run out of town.

I've seen Pedd State's schedule for 2015. Ten wins should be quite doable.
That is if you don't stumble vs. Buffalo or Temple coming out of the gate.:p:p:p:p:p

 

[kjb32812]

I think nine and a bowl loss is probably more realistic this year. After that though, the expectations will be ten.

 

[RUchip]

Yes, being too factual and spot on will get you castrated by the Pollyannas .
It is what it is ....the guy can't recruit NJ Talent ...one Top 10 NJ Recruit in the last 3 years. That's 1 for 30.
Flood had shown he can win without relying on NJ Recriting . Terrific job and hope we can get it going.

That was sarcasm. Anyone who reads these boards knows I don't like Flood as a HC. But he is a super nice guy which counts.( double sarcasm)

 

[DJ Spanky]

I guess this is my first and last post.

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause!

 

[lighty]

People really should learn the meaning of "troll" here...

 

[bryanjints]

I was told by a high school coach who has 2 former players in the nfl right now that Flood could sell you a bag of the nastiest smell poop there is and you'd walk away thinking how lucky you were to have gotten this blessing from such a good man.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Rich Rod is going to want to come back east, Scott Frost will be looking to get a head coaching job, and Greg Schiano could still be on the market so we've got options. I know Flood can build a winning program here, but I'm not sure Rutgers can wait.

 

[cRURah]

His track record is not good so far. How anyone can say he has proven to be a good recruiter is beyond my imagination. But it's not over 'til it's over. Hoping he can pull a few rabbits out of his hat.