OT: Fascinating treatment for PTSD and addiction

[yessir321]

you do realize Joe Rogan is just the show host, he barely spoke during the entire podcast. It obviously has to go through some sort of clinical trial and be tested. No one, including the guest on the show is telling people to start taking psychedelics they buy off the street to cure their problems. As someone who works in the vaccine industry I am also aware that mother nature has provided us with some pretty incredible things and maybe we should start taking a more serious look at them.

Buddy I’ve watched Rogan since the beginning? Back when he was actually interesting and had an opinion about more than just the same tired things.

It’s causes HEART MURMURS my guy! Trust me when I tell you I am all about natural remedies through psychedelics and have been in realms that I cannot physically describe and no one could possibly understand unless they themselves have been there.

What happened in the case of Sean Ryan is he went to one of those realms while WANTING to change and not being physically dependent on narcotics.

To suggest anything at all can cure addiction/PTSD with one treatment while ignoring the HEART MURMURS aspect of this is a gross negligence.

I’ll be the first to tell you psilocybin can open up doors and help you get over demons. Particularly if you trip, screw micro dosing you gotta trip if you wanna see inside of yourself and why you think the way you do.

No reason to promote anything with the risks that ibogaine has, and yes also pointing out the incredible irony in some of the posters who are able to overlook the heart issues here bc Rogan endorsed it but won’t get the shot for the same reason… these people are fools

 

[yessir321]

I’m cool with going to Europe for experimental treatments, but not Mexico. Like everything in life. if it sounds too good to be true, then it is.

What is different about Europe in this instance than Mexico? Genuinely if you’re talking ‘experimental treatment’ what’s the difference?

 

[knightfan7]

The fact that you buy into hypnosis is probably the least surprising thing I could have read.

Absolutely fascinating that a group of posters who are scared to get the vaccine most of the world has bc of some unfounded potential health issues they’re convinced it has, but meanwhile are open minded to a Mexican street drug that’s been PROVEN to cause Murmurs and lingering heart issues…. All because Joe Rogan talked about it.

We’re so F’d. Ya’ll are some of the most impressionable people I’ve ever seen talking about subjects you have no clue about.

That or a whole hell of a lot of you are gonna die off in your late 50’s and 60’s because you know better than to trust western medicine and would rather take the Aaron Rogers approach to medicine

Idiots, truly idiots

Well he is a big conspiracy theorist,, successful podcaster, and former stand up comic. Doesn't that make him an expert in all subjects?

 

[jtung230]

I'm the (possible) patient in this case. ☹️

And I was just considering the drug part of this we've been talking about.

You should definitely talk to a medical professional and then get 2nd and 3rd opinions. This is not the place to get medical advice. My personal experience is that my doctors always look to research in Europe, I have never heard them quote research from Mexico.

 

[T2Kplus20]

What is different about Europe in this instance than Mexico? Genuinely if you’re talking ‘experimental treatment’ what’s the difference?

Another thing to worry about is the MASSIVE placebo effect in this space (including PTSD). If you truly believe a drug will make you feel better (based on 3rd party advice or theories), you very well may feel better due to your mind and not the drug itself. This is why rigorous clinical trials are critical for things like mental health or pain being another example. The placebo effect is powerful, but normally temporary.

 

[yessir321]

Well he is a big conspiracy theorist,, successful podcaster, and former stand up comic. Doesn't that make him an expert in all subjects?

There’s an unfortunate amount of people who think it does yes

 

[RU205]

New drugs are development mainly in the US, followed by the EU and Japan. (for pharmaceutical companies).

 

[rutgersdave]

No reason to promote anything with the risks that ibogaine has, and yes also pointing out the incredible irony in some of the posters who are able to overlook the heart issues here bc Rogan endorsed it but won’t get the shot for the same reason… these people are fools

I noticed that too.

 

[Knight Shift]

No reason to promote anything with the risks that ibogaine has, and yes also pointing out the incredible irony in some of the posters who are able to overlook the heart issues here bc Rogan endorsed it but won’t get the shot for the same reason… these people are fools

I noticed that too.

There is a huge difference there and if it has to be explained.....
One is having a shot forced upon you when you don't necessarily need it because you are not infected/sick;
The other is to treat an active medical issue and with ANY treatment, there will be side effects.

You know, freedom of choice.

 

[yessir321]

No reason to promote anything with the risks that ibogaine has, and yes also pointing out the incredible irony in some of the posters who are able to overlook the heart issues here bc Rogan endorsed it but won’t get the shot for the same reason… these people are fools

I noticed that too.

I don’t think I’ve seen a bigger example on this board of flagrant hypocrisy that this subject… and that really is saying something

 

[yessir321]

Another thing to worry about is the MASSIVE placebo effect in this space (including PTSD). If you truly believe a drug will make you feel better (based on 3rd party advice or theories), you very well may feel better due to your mind and not the drug itself. This is why rigorous clinical trials are critical for things like mental health or pain being another example. The placebo effect is powerful, but normally temporary.

What does that have to do with whether you pursue ‘experimental treatment’ in Europe as compared to Mexico?

I’d like him to answer the question. I have suspicions as to what his issue is with Mexican hospitals and doctors compared to Europeans but I’d be curious if he’s bold enough to say it out loud. No reason to beat around the bush

 

[Rutgers Chris]

I don’t think I’ve seen a bigger example on this board of flagrant hypocrisy that this subject… and that really is saying something

As someone who works with both those dealing with substance use issues and veterans in mental health crisis, I can tell you that the risks of a heart murmur pale in comparison to what they are dealing with. 22 veterans die by suicide on a daily basis. 200+ Americans die from drug overdoses on a daily basis. I don’t recommend Ibogaine or Ayahuasca, but I’ve met countless families that have chosen this path at the the end of their ropes and I don’t blame them.

No one is advocating using these medications for the masses or ignoring the risks associated with them. I would absolutely advocate that we test them further and hopefully find a way to improve their safety for more widespread use.

 

[yessir321]

There is a huge difference there and if it has to be explained.....
One is having a shot forced upon you when you don't necessarily need it because you are not infected/sick;
The other is to treat an active medical issue and with ANY treatment, there will be side effects.

You know, freedom of choice.

Who forced anyone to get the shot? That didn’t happen. No what happened was certain fields and organizations required a shot in order to work/gain access to said places.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there was about 10 different vaccines and immunizations RUTGERS required I have to live on campus and participate in D1 athletics. This was in 2007.

You are a fool, a highly impressionable fool

 

[T2Kplus20]

What does that have to do with whether you pursue ‘experimental treatment’ in Europe as compared to Mexico?

I’d like him to answer the question. I have suspicions as to what his issue is with Mexican hospitals and doctors compared to Europeans but I’d be curious if he’s bold enough to say it out loud. No reason to beat around the bush

Just another issue to deal with. You mentioned the safety risk, but the feedback that "it works" may be based on placebo and not the actual drug.

And agreed on your other point.

 

[T2Kplus20]

You are a fool, a highly impressionable fool

He definitely is. He believes that the pharma industry made him fat.....not all of his overeating. He will believe anyone that allows him to blame others, especially pharma or the food industry.

 

[yessir321]

As someone who works with both those dealing with substance use issues and veterans in mental health crisis, I can tell you that the risks of a heart murmur pale in comparison to what they are dealing with. 22 veterans die by suicide on a daily basis. 200+ Americans die from drug overdoses on a daily basis. I don’t recommend Ibogaine or Ayahuasca, but I’ve met countless families that have chosen this path at the the end of their ropes and I don’t blame them.

No one is advocating using these medications for the masses or ignoring the risks associated with them. I would absolutely advocate that we test them further and hopefully find a way to improve their safety for more widespread use.

Can you show me where I disagreed with anything you just said? I would push back on heart issues though.

How much experience do you have with psychodelics? How many times have you been to the land of magical dancing unicorns? Because I have, I know what unlocks in one’s brain when you go to the LSD/DMT realm. I’ve used these treatments personally to quit drinking (psilocybin).

I know that one can take shrooms or LSD with NO RISKs of heart failure and why the hell would we be looking at a drug that unlocks the same part of one’s brain but has legitimate health issues, not just risks, PROVEN issues.

I’m ALL FOR psilocybin to be used in PTSD/addiction treatment. I know first hand what it can do. You don’t need to mess with people hearts to do it.

Like I can’t believe the level of ignorance being displayed in this thread right now, people who are just ignoring massive issues like the heart…

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Can you show me where I disagreed with anything you just said? I would push back on heart issues though.

How much experience do you have with psychodelics? How many times have you been to the land of magical dancing unicorns? Because I have, I know what unlocks in one’s brain when you go to the LSD/DMT realm. I’ve used these treatments personally to quit drinking (psilocybin).

I know that one can take shrooms or LSD with NO RISKs of heart failure and why the hell would we be looking at a drug that unlocks the same part of one’s brain but has legitimate health issues, not just risks, PROVEN issues.

I’m ALL FOR psilocybin to be used in PTSD/addiction treatment. I know first hand what it can do. You don’t need to mess with people hearts to do it.

Like I can’t believe the level of ignorance being displayed in this thread right now, people who are just ignoring massive issues like the heart…

This is where you talk out of both sides of your mouth. We are supposed to listen to you because you’ve used these substances before but not the person on the podcast that’s used them. You’ve also said we should listen to your friend who is a doctor of some sort and not the substance user in the podcast. Which is it?

You can call me ignorant all you want. I’ve worked in this field for 20 years and likely have more in common with your psychologist friend than anything. Read my post again- I’m not advocating people use these substances now, I’m telling you they are anyway despite the risks and ideally we’d study them more rather than shutting it down and not making them safer.

 

[jtung230]

What does that have to do with whether you pursue ‘experimental treatment’ in Europe as compared to Mexico?

I’d like him to answer the question. I have suspicions as to what his issue is with Mexican hospitals and doctors compared to Europeans but I’d be curious if he’s bold enough to say it out loud. No reason to beat around the bush

I already answer it in previous post. I’m not a doctor and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn recently. I do have personal experience with highly specialized doctors who referred to studies done in Europe often. I have never heard them referenced any study done in Mexico. I’m bold enough to say there are better doctors in Europe because that’s a region that can attract better talent.

 

[yessir321]

This is where you talk out of both sides of your mouth. We are supposed to listen to you because you’ve used these substances before but not the person on the podcast that’s used them. You’ve also said we should listen to your friend who is a doctor of some sort and not the substance user in the podcast. Which is it?

You can call me ignorant all you want. I’ve worked in this field for 20 years and likely have more in common with your psychologist friend than anything. Read my post again- I’m not advocating people use these substances now, I’m telling you they are anyway despite the risks and ideally we’d study them more rather than shutting it down and not making them safer.

Buddy, I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying. Let me try to be clear here…. I Understand the realms in which one’s mind can be unlocked and how it can be beneficial. I get it, I AGREE with it…. Where I draw the line is where you have a drug that unlocks the same part of one’s mind as DMT, Psilocybin and LSD, WHY THE F*CK WOULD ANYBODY TAKE THE RISK OF USING THE KNOWN DRUG TO CAUSE HEART ISSUES?!!!

That’s what you aren’t understanding man. I hear you that you work in the field, let me ask how much psilocybin are they allowing you to administer? How bout LSD? If the answer is Zero which I know it is WHY THE F*CK are we jumping something that causes heart issues when the same type of treatment exists with NO heart issues?!

Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous bro hard bullsh*t.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Buddy, I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying. Let me try to be clear here…. I Understand the realms in which one’s mind can be unlocked and how it can be beneficial. I get it, I AGREE with it…. Where I draw the line is where you have a drug that unlocks the same part of one’s mind as DMT, Psilocybin and LSD, WHY THE F*CK WOULD ANYBODY TAKE THE RISK OF USING THE KNOWN DRUG TO CAUSE HEART ISSUES?!!!

That’s what you aren’t understanding man. I hear you that you work in the field, let me ask how much psilocybin are they allowing you to administer? How bout LSD? If the answer is Zero which I know it is WHY THE F*CK are we jumping something that causes heart issues when the same type of treatment exists with NO heart issues?!

Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous bro hard bullsh*t.

See my first post in this thread below. I said MDMA and Psilocybin are further along than Ibogaine, as they should be. I am fully prepared to use both once they are approved.

What you aren't understanding is people are using Ibogaine and reporting it works. So why not study it, find the mechanism that works, see if it can be separated from the mechanism that causes the cardiac issues and have a safer, effective medication? Literally nothing ridiculous about it.

I work in the field and am very excited for some of these developments. Traditional treatments for PTSD work but compliance with them is very difficult for subsets of people. I think Ibogaine is further off than MdMA and psilocybin. It’s pretty easy to conceptualize how these work. Addressing trauma understandably triggers someone’s fight or flight response and makes trauma therapy difficult. Using these medications helps ease that response and allows the therapy to work. I believe there were some technical issues with the mdma trials, hopefully they get them cleaned up and approved sooner rather than later.

 

[AntiG]

I don't have the time to listen - do they also go into psilocybin (shrooms!) for PTSD. Not well-versed on the reasons why, but think the FDA has not been in favor of such "natural" remedies. There are other issues, but evidence is there for at least psilocybin and perhaps what you listed.

Psilocybin for Trauma-Related Disorders - PubMed

Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a debilitating, chronic disorder and efficacy rates of current PTSD treatments are underwhelming. There is a critical need for innovative approaches. We provide an overview of trauma and PTSD and cite literature providing converging evidence of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

there has been talk that shrooms can trigger a "restart" button in your subconscious that can help people move forward from anxiety, psychological trauma, PTSD, OCD, and even some types of lower level autism/Aspergers.

 

[Knight Shift]

there has been talk that shrooms can trigger a "restart" button in your subconscious that can help people move forward from anxiety, psychological trauma, PTSD, OCD, and even some types of lower level autism/Aspergers.

Yes. Someone close to me has set the same, saying they needed to "rewire" their brain. I have not done research, but read a few papers and Huberman from Stanford had a podcast on the topic. Interesting area.

 

[yessir321]

See my first post in this thread below. I said MDMA and Psilocybin are further along than Ibogaine, as they should be. I am fully prepared to use both once they are approved.

What you aren't understanding is people are using Ibogaine and reporting it works. So why not study it, find the mechanism that works, see if it can be separated from the mechanism that causes the cardiac issues and have a safer, effective medication?

Because there is no reason to work on something that taps into the same part of the brain as known, proven drugs that do the same thing.

It’s not worth it.

Please answer the question, have you ever tripped in your life? What experience do you personally have within the realms?

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Because there is no reason to work on something that taps into the same part of the brain as known, proven drugs that do the same thing.

It’s not worth it.

Please answer the question, have you ever tripped in your life? What experience do you personally have within the realms?

Now you know what part of the brain ibogaine works on? Come on, you’re making stuff up now. By your thinking studying psychedelics isn’t worth it because there’s other known proven medications that work. Very faulty thinking from a research perspective.

I’ve used psychedelics yes. Irrelevant to the conversation as when I go to the doctor I let them treat me regardless whether they have had the same ailments or treatments as me.

 

[T2Kplus20]

there has been talk that shrooms can trigger a "restart" button in your subconscious that can help people move forward from anxiety, psychological trauma, PTSD, OCD, and even some types of lower level autism/Aspergers.

I look forward to the double-blind clinical trial to test that theory vs the current standard of care.

 

[AntiG]

I look forward to the double-blind clinical trial to test that theory vs the current standard of care.

They should open it up to anyone who wishes to participate lol

 

[ashokan]

I am skeptical. Many of the people with PTSD have MORE than PTSD. They can be bi polar, borderline personalty disorder, PTSD, sleep disorder, OCD and on.

That's true and there is also a correlation between PTSD and sexual abuse history, as well as race (women, black and Hispanic people more PTSD prone).

If a robber pulls out a gun in a crowded band there will be some people go home and joke about it an others who wont be able to leave the house. People inclined to acute emotional responses are more vulnerable. Some cultures, lifestyles etc magnify all that.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Rogan has been banging this drum for a while.

Wait, the same guy who had podcasts about edible vs inhaled marijuana?? It's gotta be legit.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Buddy I’ve watched Rogan since the beginning? Back when he was actually interesting and had an opinion about more than just the same tired things.

It’s causes HEART MURMURS my guy! Trust me when I tell you I am all about natural remedies through psychedelics and have been in realms that I cannot physically describe and no one could possibly understand unless they themselves have been there.

What happened in the case of Sean Ryan is he went to one of those realms while WANTING to change and not being physically dependent on narcotics.

To suggest anything at all can cure addiction/PTSD with one treatment while ignoring the HEART MURMURS aspect of this is a gross negligence.

I’ll be the first to tell you psilocybin can open up doors and help you get over demons. Particularly if you trip, screw micro dosing you gotta trip if you wanna see inside of yourself and why you think the way you do.

No reason to promote anything with the risks that ibogaine has, and yes also pointing out the incredible irony in some of the posters who are able to overlook the heart issues here bc Rogan endorsed it but won’t get the shot for the same reason… these people are fools

Risk vs. reward. Let's get some double blinded, peer reviewed studies and see where this goes.

 

[ashokan]

there has been talk that shrooms can trigger a "restart" button in your subconscious that can help people move forward from anxiety, psychological trauma, PTSD, OCD, and even some types of lower level autism/Aspergers.

Electroshock also claims to offer a "reset." https://www.mcleanhospital.org/essential/ect-shouldnt-be-last-resort-treatment

I'm leery of anything Rick Perry is pushing because he's had ties to drug companies for a long time.
As governor of Texas he tried to force girls 10-11 to get vaccine for HPV. His chief of staff worked for the drug company making vaccine. Same company was a big donor to Perry campaign.

Voters rebelled and Perry had to back-up

Under Scrutiny, Perry Walks Back HPV Decision​

Under Scrutiny, Perry Walks Back HPV Decision

With his lengthy record as governor under intense new scrutiny, Rick Perry is seeking to defuse the controversy around one of his most controversial decisions: his 2007 executive order requiring all girls to be vaccinated against HPV, the principal cause of cervical cancer.

www.texastribune.org

Perry and Bush Jr also had tied to antidepressant push called "TeenScreen" where HS teens were asked simple questions intended to sniff out suicide risks. The questions were things like "Have you ever been unhappy for more than two weeks?...Have you been unhappy at school?"

Obviously with questions like that a lot of kids would be tagged as "at risk."

Teen Depression Watch Draws Mixed Reviews


The Hubbard guy really lays it on. He's a couple steps away from being to Jimmy Swaggart. If he cried and broke out the tissues it would work

 

[yessir321]

Risk vs. reward. Let's get some double blinded, peer reviewed studies and see where this goes

How about we do that with psilocybin and LSD which unlock the same part of one’s brain without the risk of hearth murmurs

 

[yessir321]

That's true and there is also a correlation between PTSD and sexual abuse history, as well as race (women, black and Hispanic people more PTSD prone).

If a robber pulls out a gun in a crowded band there will be some people go home and joke about it an others who wont be able to leave the house. People inclined to acute emotional responses are more vulnerable. Some cultures, lifestyles etc magnify all that.

Way to show off you racist piece of human garbage.

You actually think one’s skin color has anything to do with their mental health? Truly do you think that because someone is born black or Hispanic for that reason alone they are more susceptible to PTSD?

Truly the amount of overt racism on this board is remarkable

 

[yessir321]

I’m bold enough to say there are better doctors in Europe because that’s a region that can attract better talent.

Remarkably inaccurate. European medicine is public, it is overwhelmed to the highest degree and the common person has to wait months to be seen. Mexican Medication is private, there ARE excellent hospitals and doctors in Mexico if you have the means to see them. If you are looking into ‘experimental treatment’, you have the means to see them

We know what your reasons are you racist piece of sh*t

 

[yessir321]

Now you know what part of the brain ibogaine works on? Come on, you’re making stuff up now. By your thinking studying psychedelics isn’t worth it because there’s other known proven medications that work. Very faulty thinking from a research perspective.

I’ve used psychedelics yes. Irrelevant to the conversation as when I go to the doctor I let them treat me regardless whether they have had the same ailments or treatments as me.

Buddy re-read what I wrote. I have been advocating the use of Psilocybin and LSD this entire time! Where the hell are you getting this idea that ‘by my metric we shouldn’t use psychedelics’

Ibogain unlocks the same part of your brain as LSD/Shrooms, it’s a psychedelic, the fact that you question ‘which part’ shows me just how little experience you have in the subject. That’s not a knock just please don’t act like an ‘expert’ on something you clearly aren’t one in.

Ibogaine has also been around and studied since the 19th century. People have known about it for decades, clinical trials have been conducted on it many many times! Here’s a nice artical from 2008 about it where they actually list out the trials. They call out then the health risks!

The ibogaine medical subculture

Ibogaine is a naturally occurring psychoactive indole alkaloid that is used to treat substance-related disorders in a global medical subculture, and is of interest as an ethnopharmacological prototype for experimental investigation and possible rational pharmaceutical development.

web.archive.org

I can promise you, you have not tripped in an introspective way. I’m sure you’ve tried some penis envy (the name of an introductory magic mushroom) and felt a little more giggly than you would from Marijuana, but I doubt very much you’ve been in the realms.

Why I keep bringing this up, is because if you HAVE then you KNOW. You know there’s NO NEED to explore anything further than what we have and know to be safe. The issue is legalizing that.

100% guarentee if the use of psilocybin was legalized in this country for appropriate uses there would be no need at all for ‘ibogain’, some sh*t we’ve known about for a century that we know causes heart issues that is now being brought back into light be the internet’s favorite conspiracy theorist

 

[jtung230]

Remarkably inaccurate. European medicine is public, it is overwhelmed to the highest degree and the common person has to wait months to be seen. Mexican Medication is private, there ARE excellent hospitals and doctors in Mexico if you have the means to see them. If you are looking into ‘experimental treatment’, you have the means to see them

We know what your reasons are you racist piece of sh*t

Believe it or not. A lot of the top research doctors in Europe are not white. They are there because education, funding and resources. When I worked with my oncologist , he often cited research in Europe. I am biased toward more developed countries with a focus on education, research and strong economy. I hope you get the help you need.

 

[yessir321]

Believe it or not. A lot of the top research doctors in Europe are not white. They are there because education, funding and resources. When I worked with my oncologist , he often cited research in Europe. I am biased toward more developed countries with a focus on education, research and strong economy. I hope you get the help you need.

Believe it or not, ‘Race’ only has part to do with someone’s skin color…

You are racist because you feel that European culture is more developed than Mexico.. it’s very simple

 

[jtung230]

Believe it or not, ‘Race’ only has part to do with someone’s skin color…

You are racist because you feel that European culture is more developed than Mexico.. it’s very simple.

It’s not culture. That has nothing to do with medicine. Are there any top medical schools in Mexico? What about top hospitals? You can define race how you want to. I’m not going to argue with you about that.

 

[yessir321]

It’s not culture. That has nothing to do with medicine. Are there any top medical schools in Mexico? What about top hospitals? You can define race how you want to. I’m not going to argue with you about that.

So there are an ample amount of quality med schools and hospitals in Mexico and the Caribbean/DR. In fact you’d probably be blown away at just how many AMERICAN med students get their degrees from these schools as the are SIGNIFICANTLY less expensive to attend than American med schools.

Bro, you’re not fooling anyone, we know your underlying reasons why you feel the way you do. To suggest you would be open minded to medicine that comes from a different continent as compared to a boarder country of the United States says everything I’d ever need to know about you.

It’s heartbreaking that the way you think still exists in 2025 but fortunately it’s dying out in a large way with the boomer generation and elder Gen X’ers

 

[jtung230]

So there are an ample amount of quality med schools and hospitals in Mexico and the Caribbean/DR. In fact you’d probably be blown away at just how many AMERICAN med students get their degrees from these schools as the are SIGNIFICANTLY less expensive to attend than American med schools.

Bro, you’re not fooling anyone, we know your underlying reasons why you feel the way you do. To suggest you would be open minded to medicine that comes from a different continent as compared to a boarder country of the United States says everything I’d ever need to know about you.

It’s heartbreaking that the way you think still exists in 2025 but fortunately it’s dying out in a large way with the boomer generation and elder Gen X’ers

Keep moving the goal post. I didn’t say they didn’t have med schools or hospitals. But we are talking about experimental treatments. But you keep at it. Must be a race thing. I’m glad you are comfortable going to Mexico for experimental medical treatments. I wouldn’t go to parts US for experimental medical treatments. I hope you feel better about yourself for being how accepting you are. Proud of you bro.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Buddy re-read what I wrote. I have been advocating the use of Psilocybin and LSD this entire time! Where the hell are you getting this idea that ‘by my metric we shouldn’t use psychedelics’

Ibogain unlocks the same part of your brain as LSD/Shrooms, it’s a psychedelic, the fact that you question ‘which part’ shows me just how little experience you have in the subject. That’s not a knock just please don’t act like an ‘expert’ on something you clearly aren’t one in.

Ibogaine has also been around and studied since the 19th century. People have known about it for decades, clinical trials have been conducted on it many many times! Here’s a nice artical from 2008 about it where they actually list out the trials. They call out then the health risks!

The ibogaine medical subculture

Ibogaine is a naturally occurring psychoactive indole alkaloid that is used to treat substance-related disorders in a global medical subculture, and is of interest as an ethnopharmacological prototype for experimental investigation and possible rational pharmaceutical development.

web.archive.org

I can promise you, you have not tripped in an introspective way. I’m sure you’ve tried some penis envy (the name of an introductory magic mushroom) and felt a little more giggly than you would from Marijuana, but I doubt very much you’ve been in the realms.

Why I keep bringing this up, is because if you HAVE then you KNOW. You know there’s NO NEED to explore anything further than what we have and know to be safe. The issue is legalizing that.

100% guarentee if the use of psilocybin was legalized in this country for appropriate uses there would be no need at all for ‘ibogain’, some sh*t we’ve known about for a century that we know causes heart issues that is now being brought back into light be the internet’s favorite conspiracy theorist

Your “same part of the brain” argument shows your lack of depth in this subject. You’ve used them, great, you clearly don’t know how they work on more than a practical level.

Psilocybin is a serotonin agonist. Ibogaine targets serotonin but also dopamine and glutamate, allowing multiple neural pathways to reset/rewire, something Psilocybin doesn’t do. It also interacts with opioid receptors, making it the more favorable addiction treatment. Thus the reason they are testing Ibogaine analogues, synthetic compounds that hopefully bring the benefit and leave behind the cardiac risks. To say that psilocybin would “100%” make this unnecessary is just factually wrong.