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Can we stop with the false narrative of "Hobbs had no plan"?

RUInsanity said:
At some point it becomes unproductive to keep pointing fingers backwards. I'm actually looking forward to this coaching hire and a fresh start.
  • Ash was not fired after last season and we're not really sure why. One thing I do know is that RU historically has been reluctant to fire the head coaches quickly based on poor performance - no matter who the AD was/is. I tend to think that this speaks more to the money factor and relative anti-RU athletics sentiment in NJ in managing the associated cost backlash. In the case of Ash, we had sunk even lower this year, so maybe it finally became a point of no return for not only Hobbs but the BOG etc.
  • Regarding Redshirting/Transferring, I'm not really sure what the fuss is all about. This is a strip-down rebuild which will take multiple years to re-establish a foundation. This season is a wash with or without Blackshear/Sit......players who want out after 4 weeks will likely want out after the season....and in the unlikely chance that they stay, they will have extra eligibility to play for RU.
  • Being upset based on the rumor mill started by guys like Politi does not seem to healthy to me.
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Fair points...but the money thing doesn't hold water in this particular instance because it cost the same now...if anything you can argue it cost more now with the plummet in season tix and attendance.

What we have as RU fans is backwards, bad (Ash) and good (fond memories of bowls and NFL picks and good wins). I don't think it's fair to ask fans to not discuss rumors or express anger given the hand we are currently dealt.
 
NotInRHouse said:
Fair points...but the money thing doesn't hold water in this particular instance because it cost the same now...if anything you can argue it cost more now with the plummet in season tix and attendance.

What we have as RU fans is backwards, bad (Ash) and good (fond memories of bowls and NFL picks and good wins). I don't think it's fair to ask fans to not discuss rumors or express anger given the hand we are currently dealt.
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I'm well versed in the significant frustration that comes with being an RU fan. On the flip side, I was also on the field after the Louisville Game in 2006. I don't think it's fair to constantly hear the drum beat on this board to fire Hobbs based on such rumors. It's become a feeding frenzy here.
 
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RUInsanity said:
I'm well versed in the significant frustration that comes with being an RU fan. On the flip side, I was also on the field after the Louisville Game in 2006. I don't think it's fair to constantly hear the drum beat on this board to fire Hobbs based on such rumors. It's become a feeding frenzy here.
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I'm not saying fire Hobbs (and maybe 1-2 posters did to be fair)...but I think most people concerned with Hobbs' understand he gets to make this hire, but just haven't been impressed with how he handles football. I hope he changes my mind.
 
MrsScrew said:
4. Hobbs made a spur of the moment decision to fire Ash after seeing him on the plane, on his laptop hitting play....stop...rewind...over and over.
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[EDIT: never mind.. found the NJ.com story]

Can you explain this? Is this literally true? Was he watching the game.. breaking down film?

If Ash were watching something else.. and lost focus time and again, that means he was thinking about something else and not really watching whatever it was he was stopping and rewinding. There are many many reasons to fire Ash, but him being distracted on the plane.. or worse, breaking down film? WTH.
 
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If Hobbs had a plan why fire the OC and blow up any semblance of an offense we had for the remainder of the season? Why not wait a week and reduce the possibility what little playmakers we had would red shirt?
 
Just because you don't agree with or understand the plan. Doesn't mean he doesn't HAVE ONE. That concept seems to be lost on a few people here. And when we only get bits and pieces of information it is impossible for us to know the plan. We can speculate but to say any one thing proves there was no plan is silly. Hobbs either knocks this hire out of the park or he is gone. If he fails in this hire and is still around we can have a different chat.
 
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RU84 said:
If Hobbs had a plan why fire the OC and blow up any semblance of an offense we had for the remainder of the season? Why not wait a week and reduce the possibility what little playmakers we had would red shirt?
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The firing of McNulty is the head scratcher...and the thing that has totally set Nunzio up to fail.
2 years ago Nunzio was the HC of a HS football team...1 month ago he was the running backs coach. Today is is the HC and the OC of a B1G football team. No way he can succeed.

and here's food for thought: if GS does actually get hired, does he then want to bring back the just fired McNulty? Does McNulty come back?
 
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RUnTeX said:
Still handicapped by a challenge with comprehension. A search committee is not being formed internally, rather an external search firm is being retained. Two different things for those paying attention. Also, this is as of two weeks post-firing, not three.
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Still sticking head in sand, see no evil, hear no evil. Ash was fired September 29, 2019. Search Committee formally announced well into week three, on October 16 (See above). More importantly clearly not immediately. And as for reading comprehension, there was no discussion at all of distinction between internal search committees and external search committees. Grasping at straws and may want look in the mirror for own comprehension skills when criticizing others.

BTW, how'd the planning for the 150th anniversary of college football go?
 
NickRU714 said:
Just say "Hobbs was supposed to have hired Schaino already!"
It's what you really mean.

There was zero chance a new HC was being hired mid-season.
I repeat: ZERO.ZERO chance Schiano or anyone else was being hired mid-season.

The only alternative plan this year would have been not firing Ash until later in or after the season
Just image this board if Ash was still HC and we continued losing:
"Hobbs has no plan"
"Rutgers is national embarassment"
"Recruiting is decimated - no player will sign up for this while Ash is still here"
"No reasonabld coach will come here"

Or do people think Ash wouldn't have continued to be a total disaster?
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It's the internet. The less informed finally have a forum for all to see.
 
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the fact is that our football program is bleeding out in fatal condition..back to back 1-11 seasons, no recruits, the fanbase has been slashed in 10K from when Ash was hired...sounds like a plan
 
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Knight Shift said:
I suggest you read the On the Banks blog post I posted in another thread.

Other than the Ash hire (and what some think the firing timeline), where has Hobbs shown questionable decision making? And he said there will be money there to hire a top coach. .
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Aside from all that, what did you think of the play Mrs Lincoln
 
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the football program is full stop what makes up 50% of the athletic program image...its not just a fail..I mean Flood was a fail but the program wasnt this bad

2-10, 4-8, 1-11, 1-11

its truly really bad yet I somehow think some fans are pretending its not just to stay positive...no its really bad, its going to be quite a hole for any coach to dig out of right now, I prefer less Fred Hill Jr and Kyle Floods and more Greg Schianos
 
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bac2therac said:
the football program is full stop what makes up 50% of the athletic program image...its not just a fail..I mean Flood was a fail but the program wasnt this bad

2-10, 4-8, 1-11, 1-11

its truly really bad yet I somehow think some fans are pretending its not just to stay positive...no its really bad, its going to be quite a hole for any coach to dig out of right now, I prefer less Fred Hill Jr and Kyle Floods and more Greg Schianos
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So you are saying no Rose Bowl next year then? Damm it.
 
G- RUnit said:
Still sticking head in sand, see no evil, hear no evil. Ash was fired September 29, 2019. Search Committee formally announced well into week three, on October 16 (See above). More importantly clearly not immediately. And as for reading comprehension, there was no discussion at all of distinction between internal search committees and external search committees. Grasping at straws and may want look in the mirror for own comprehension skills when criticizing others.

BTW, how'd the planning for the 150th anniversary of college football go?
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How would they announce the Search Firm if there was no contract in place with said search firm. How long do you think it takes to put an agreement in place? Is your thinking that they should have hired and contracted the search firm to replace Ash while Ash was still employed?
 
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If you have a plan... immediately. That’s your job. Why fire a coach four games in if no plan.
No explanation as to why McNulty was fired? Why did Ash get four years and McNulty less than two especially when you can see Art improving with no OL, one tight end and no wide recievers?
Did AD think starting QB and RB would enter into portal.
AD has never met/talked to Schiano? How does that happen?
Shouldn’t you have had a plan since December of last year after your coach went 1-11?
 
MrsScrew said:
The firing of McNulty is the head scratcher...and the thing that has totally set Nunzio up to fail.
2 years ago Nunzio was the HC of a HS football team...1 month ago he was the running backs coach. Today is is the HC and the OC of a B1G football team. No way he can succeed.

and here's food for thought: if GS does actually get hired, does he then want to bring back the just fired McNulty? Does McNulty come back?
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i would have zero issues with bringing McNulty back because people can see it’s the talent on the offensive side of the ball.
 
The notion of McNulty coming back again is insane and defies logic. We just fired him and are on the hook for paying off the balance of his contract. And now we think the new coach may want to bring him back so we can pay him again??? I don't think so.
 
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I was OK with letting Ash have one last year to prove himself but things went so far down hill, it was a no brainer to fire him. I am really curious as to why McNulty wasn't made interim head coach for this year.... Does nobody here have any info?
 
G- RUnit said:
Search Committee formally announced well into week three, on October 16 (See above). More importantly clearly not immediately. And as for reading comprehension, there was no discussion at all of distinction between internal search committees and external search committees.
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Dear lord, you're thick but I guess I have to spell it out like I'm addressing a 5th grader.

Follow me closely now...."firm" DOES NOT EQUAL "committee". They are two different things. The former is a 3rd party external consultant by definition. The latter is an internal group/roundtable, i.e. comprised of Rutgers stakeholders (incl. Hobbs, who would probably be the chair of said committee) who would discuss the recommendations of the outside consultant/firm and share their own opinions and perhaps try to reach consensus on a new hire. Hobbs will go it alone (or perhaps solicit individual feedback from select folks) on the new hire based on the search consultant's recommendations but he will not be heading up a separate committee within Rutgers that's convening to discuss candidates and how the interviews went.

Hobbs did address in his press conference that there would be no search committee but he would consider retaining a search consultant. Go read the first 10-12 posts in Richie's thread on Monday (https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/rutgers-teams-up-with-ventura-partners.176725/) and understand what I'm clarifying for you because you are getting mixed up like some were there.

Also, we've been discussing the search firm on this board since Monday, not just as of today. The press release by Rutgers is dated 10-14-2019 and I believe was posted on scarletknights.com since that day. Richie started his thread (the same one I refer to above) around midday on Monday with the announcement of the search firm so that's the reference timeframe. That is exactly one calendar day beyond two weeks so it's disingenuous to make it sound like three weeks have elapsed between the two events.
 
LOL! You go with the distinction between firm, committee, and consultant. The rest of us will sadly chuckle.
 
NickRU714 said:
Just say "Hobbs was supposed to have hired Schaino already!"
It's what you really mean.

There was zero chance a new HC was being hired mid-season.
I repeat: ZERO.ZERO chance Schiano or anyone else was being hired mid-season.

The only alternative plan this year would have been not firing Ash until later in or after the season
Just image this board if Ash was still HC and we continued losing:
"Hobbs has no plan"
"Rutgers is national embarassment"
"Recruiting is decimated - no player will sign up for this while Ash is still here"
"No reasonabld coach will come here"

Or do people think Ash wouldn't have continued to be a total disaster?
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Every AD worth his salt would always have a list of potential replacements in his jacket pocket at all times.

He would also have a plan as to how to replace any coach at anytime.

Screwing up by first not firing ash last year is now compounded by his either no planning or very poor planning. If you fire a coach mid season, then know who you want to bring in as soon as possible.

Firing in mid season and then having to wait until the end of the season or longer to interview possible replacements seems not well thought out at all.
 
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ru1869 said:
Every AD worth his salt would always have a list of potential replacements in his jacket pocket at all times.

He would also have a plan as to how to replace any coach at anytime.

Screwing up by first not firing ash last year is now compounded by his either no planning or very poor planning. If you fire a coach mid season, then know who you want to bring in as soon as possible.

Firing in mid season and then having to wait until the end of the season or longer to interview possible replacements seems not well thought out at all.
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Got it.

So you think 8 more weeks of Coach Ash post game press conferences would have been a better idea?

Talk about a lonely hill to die on.
 
NickRU714 said:
Got it.

So you think 8 more weeks of Coach Ash post game press conferences would have been a better idea?

Talk about a lonely hill to die on.
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No. Ash should have been fired last year.
Firing ash mid season to me would mean that you are bring in a currently available coach.
 
MrsScrew said:
The firing of McNulty is the head scratcher...and the thing that has totally set Nunzio up to fail.
2 years ago Nunzio was the HC of a HS football team...1 month ago he was the running backs coach. Today is is the HC and the OC of a B1G football team. No way he can succeed.

and here's food for thought: if GS does actually get hired, does he then want to bring back the just fired McNulty? Does McNulty come back?
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IMHO, McNulty will never work with Schiano and vice versa.

Also, Ash gave McNulty full control of the offense. Everything about the offense, from Sit starting last year to Flacco being run out of town is all on McNulty. Ultimately, Ash is responsible but for those willing to give McNulty a pass just shows how nostalgia blinds people.

McNulty was very much part of the problem last year and this year and deserves to be fired along with Ash.
 
ru1869 said:
No. Ash should have been fired last year.
Firing ash mid season to me would mean that you are bring in a currently available coach.
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So what?
I think Ash should have been fired when he tried to hire OC Kill.
That has nothing to do with the decision to fire Ash mid-year in 2019.

Honestly, did you really think a new coach was being hired mid-season?
You can’t even talk to other HCs during the season.


It was either fire Ash immediately (as 99% of the board after Iowa and BC and Michigan) wanted OR 8 more weeks of HC Ash post-game blow out.

Just shocking how many are on the "8 more weeks of Ash" bandwagon.
 
ru1869 said:
No. Ash should have been fired last year.
Firing ash mid season to me would mean that you are bring in a currently available coach.
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Not sure it actually works that way. Coaches are fired mid-season in all sports for various reasons. Interim coaches are generally designated in most cases. For college football, even if the target HC is available, it's unlikely they would take the job mid-season as it would be critical for them to bring in their own staff.
 
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RUInsanity said:
Not sure it actually works that way. Coaches are fired mid-season in all sports for various reasons. Interim coaches are generally designated in most cases. For college football, even if the target HC is available, it's unlikely they would take the job mid-season as it would be critical for them to bring in their own staff.
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Could you imagine a current HC “interviewing” or even expressing interest in the RU job?

Just the rumor and media/fanbase would revolt.
The HC would have to quit after the season if he didn’t get the job.

Everyone flips out now if a coach leaves before a bowl game - imagine a HC leaving 4 games into a season.
 
RUInsanity said:
Not sure it actually works that way. Coaches are fired mid-season in all sports for various reasons. Interim coaches are generally designated in most cases. For college football, even if the target HC is available, it's unlikely they would take the job mid-season as it would be critical for them to bring in their own staff.
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New coaches are hired all the time before they actually take over the team. They watch the team from afar while helping with recruiting and planning on assembling a staff.
They are hired, but do not assume control of the team until after the season.
 
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