CBS Sports talking about RUs failures
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If Pike has NIL money he will get good players. If he doesn’t then you will get a repeat of this year next year.
I didn’t scour anything, I’m in a Facebook (I know RC 90 I’m old) RU group and I opened FB and it was right at the top. I checked her first to make sure someone else didn’t already post and I posted because I thought someone else might want to read. If you don’t like a post title you don’t have to read it.
let's also add a Thread Topic for all the "we're cheap it's all because we're cheap and don't donate enough to NIL" thread too then :)
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If Pike has NIL money he will get good players. If he doesn’t then you will get a repeat of this year next year.
Back in the day for you youngsters we read newspapers that actually had something called "sections" in them so if you wanted the headlines, or Sports, or Local weather/news you could just go to that part instead of random scrolling. (I hate the search features unless I'm in google looking for something unique :)
I keep reading this everywhere but nobody knows that for a fact.
We have no idea what was exactly happening or being discussed in the negotiations…or how many times he came back asking for more.
Also, we could have ponied up even more and then he could have easily just continued entertaining offers from other schools and gone to the highest bidder.
Most of these transfers are interested in driving up their payday.
When you have a small bucket of NIL to fill a roster relative to most other Power 4 schools there are situations where you have to make decisions and move on.
Pikiell is the Kenny Powers to your Stevie, he is not deserving of your loyalty
wisconsin is in top 25 and projected 4 seed and their NIL isnt good. Purdue isnt paying out 4-5 million either. Neither did Oregon or UCLA this year.
Kansas State had a top 10 NIL in the country and went 16-17. Arkansas had to make a late push to make the NCAA as a 10 seed despite top 5 NIL
I know but you implicitly made an excuse for him not landing Ewin
I only got that from the moderators who I think are more in tune than all of us. …..it’s not just a river in Egypt
That’s your interpretation.
I’ve been critical of Pikiell plenty times on this board, so not sure why you would assume that.
For example, I’ll be the first to say it’s also Pikiell job to raise NIL.
But everything isn’t always 100% Pikiell’s fault.
Lots of people continue to ignore the fact that we are up against the same obstacles we’ve been up against for decades when it comes to support and commitments from fans and donors.
Hence my overall point - sometimes its not always as simple as “we could have had Elwin”.
Very true, and Dylan and Ace were a part of the bad defense this team played, whether individual defense or part of the team defense. Everyone was bad on the defensive side, but they played their part as well in that. They were good offensively, no doubt as they were the offense for this team, but they were just as lost as everybody else defensively.
I’ve read plenty of times what Richie has said and I’ve said the same thing to him.
I respect his insight but I don’t think he can answer all those questions either.
Are you actually trying to argue that more NIL doesn’t give you a better chance of being successful?
Of course there are always outliers.
agree it’s not always that simple, although I think in this case it pretty much was. not buying the whole “well what if he just keeps asking for more money?”… that’s what a negotiation is, and that’s where we need a GM who can assign a relative value to these players and draw an appropriate line on NIL we can offer them. Pike apparently wasn’t even willing to negotiate, which you simply need to do in this era.
and yes it’s not 100% Pike’s fault, but it has to be at least like 50% his fault. He has full control over the roster, the game plan, the non-conference schedule. sure, he may be slightly hamstrung by our NIL situation, but there are coaches out there doing more with less and who didn’t have two 5-star recruits already locked in regardless of the money.
Agree with all of this.
But I don’t know that any of us (or the mods) can say with full confidence that Pikiell wasn’t willing to negotiate.
Maybe this was the 2nd or 3rd time Ewin came back asking for more (seems like a possibility at least).
Unless any of us were at the negotiation table, I don’t think we can be so sure “he wasn’t willing to negotiate”.
But obviously this isn’t a strong suit of Pikiell and a GM should hopefully take this load off his plate.
no im addressing his hyperbole as I just rattled off schools from the big 10 that didnt have huge 5 million nils this season
Jfc you have some serious comprehension issues.
This conversation is a bit too advanced for you, clearly.
Defaults to personal insults = loser of the argument
Thanks for taking your head out of the sand to participate, kindly put it back
Congrats. You win!
It’s hard to have a conversation (not an argument) when the other party lacks basic comprehension ability.
It was a yes or no question. You answer no discussion over. It’s worse than politics on here between those that think we’re just fine because it’s not Eddie Jordan and those that see the program on a downward trend with no changes. I just wanted to have a discussion but you turned it to personal attacks.
You attacked my “compression” yesterday in another thread.
Do you already forget that?
Thanks spelling police. Obviously you know what I meant. Waste of time engaging with you. Take good care!
Weird that CBS didn’t reach out to Otto Kornas for comment.
Fair assessment of the failure at the portal and the failure of positive impacts from Jeremiah , JMike ( not even mentioned ) or Manny. That is 7 players that didn’t do what they were supposed to do and did it worse than any other transfers in the country. Wow.
How transfer portal miscalculations derailed Rutgers' most anticipated season of college basketball ever
Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey were great, but coach Steve Pikiell failed to deliver necessary pieces around themwww.cbssports.com
“Historic Squander of Talent”
The failure of obtaining a rim protector and some defense was also mentioned but we know that is the true reason for the disappointing year.
Wonder what part of this was bad evaluation vs lack of NIL?
Eh. Suppose they fed you for 6 years. Then started feeding you burnt food for 2 years.
You would start complaining a little bit?
I don't think anyone denies the accomplishments of HC Pike.
But at some point it needs to be acknowledged that those accomplishments get further and further in the past every day.
Do you think HC Pike got the absolute best players he could - considering the circumstances?
Obviously he can't get the best players overall.
But of the smaller pool available, did he get the best?
I would argue expecting significant contributions from JWill, Davis and Derkack is a misappropriation of those limited resources.
It's not about "what he could do if he had unlimited resources" it's about "what can he do with the resources available."
he was dead last in the portal out of 78 other programs. let that sink in, dead last! every portal player he took, with the exception of maybe Acuff, was a huge reach, and even a net negative for the team.
no one here knows with any certainty what our nil situation was. but you gotta assume it was better than at least half of the other programs, not even counting Ace and Dylan. Vegas alone gave us $1 million.
From what I’ve seen here and elsewhere RU ranks among the lowest in the conference in NIL. That being said, could we have used what limited resources we had to get better players? My guess is yes.
I feel bad for Pike. But it isn't just him. His staff lives in outter space too. These dudes built a roster to showcase 2 freshman - and convinced themselves it would result in wins. It was an idiotic built roster from the start. Feel bad bc they couldn't see the obvious. I once in a lifetime opportunity, thrown to the trash
No one really knows the answer to that question. All we know is that our NIL was shit and that the vast majority of the fans/alumni refuse to help but will blame Pike. Can’t have it both ways. We lost a rim protector because Alabama paid a million. We got a division 2 player. We got no power 5 transfers to come here. That tells me Pike had no money.
Speaking of historic RU failures ... who was the imbecile on this board who kept insisting that the best way to improve the football team would be to spend all of our available NIL money on the best basketball player we could get? The idea being that we'd be a world-beater in basketball and the school would become so popular that football players would flock to us.
Well ... we got the two best basketball players available and the basketball team is now in the toilet and, correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't heard any football recruits say they signed their letter of intent because Harper and Bailey were busy being one and done in the Big10 tournament. So, I would love to hear from that gentleman that recommended pouring money into the basketball program instead of football.
Well ... we got the two best basketball players available and the basketball team is now in the toilet and, correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't heard any football recruits say they signed their letter of intent because Harper and Bailey were busy being one and done in the Big10 tournament. So, I would love to hear from that gentleman that recommended pouring money into the basketball program instead of football.
Yes, definitely. Maybe if we get four of the top five NBA lottery picks next year, we can win a game in our conference tournament. Maybe.
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