***Chris Laviano named Starting QB***

[mildone]

What's this we thing and a-hole comment? Boo who you like. Can you think for yourself?

I get that you're offended by Laviano's post-game reaction to the fans booing. But IIRC, you weren't one of the fans that were booing. So I'm surprised how much of a grudge you've built up over that.

Anyway, I pretty much think that when fans boo players, they are demonstrating at least a momentary inability to think for themselves. And before some numb-nut responds, yet again, that the they were booing Flood, not Laviano, there's no way Laviano could've known that so it doesn't matter.

 

[mildone]

If you are behind him, would that make you Laviano's ass-hat? :grimace:

Well... no, because if I'm 110% behind him, I'm actually 10% too far away to be his ass's hat. :)

 

[Knight Shift]

Well... no, because if I'm 110% behind him, I'm actually 10% too far away to be his ass's hat. :)

If you were 99% behind him, :scream:.

 

[RU old timer]

Ash is showing that he is definitely a coach of defense--and not offense. Like I said in a previous comment--coaches are linked to QBs. Good or Bad QBs.

 

[PaKnight]

Ash is showing that he is definitely a coach of defense--and not offense. Like I said in a previous comment--coaches are linked to QBs. Good or Bad QBs.

?

Ash is going to be linked to guys like Oden and Lewis.

 

[Knight Shift]

?

Ash is going to be linked to guys like Oden and Lewis.

It's not worth the keystrokes.

 

[BaseballFan913]

The kid who disparaged Rutgers alums on Twitter? Get behind him?

You realize you aren't any more "Rutgers" than this kid who goes out there with 300 LB behemoths attempting to destroy him on every play.

 

[rutgersdave]

Don't worry for two reasons. 1). Ash is much more likely to pull him if he isn't getting the job done and 2). Whoever was named starter was only filling in until Oden is ready

I suspect that if neither QB gets the job done that Oden will play in the second half of the season so that we don't lose the fans interest.

 

[PaKnight]

I suspect that if neither QB gets the job done that Oden will play in the second half of the season so that we don't lose the fans interest.

Ash is not making decisions based on what the fans think or want.

 

[mildone]

If you were 99% behind him, :scream:.

Exactly. Let that be a lesson to those who don't fully support him.

 

[cicero grimes]

Doesn't this vindicate Flood's decision to stick with Laviano?

No but it proves my point that Flood was never really fired and has been running the show from the shadows. Ash is obviously a Flood puppet and obeys his master. Further proof of this will come when Ash says robotically that "Our goal is to be 1-0 this week." :sunglasses:

 

[cicero grimes]

Three things. One: I think this year the competition was open and fair and the coaches choose CL on merit and being the best of this bunch.

Two: In my opinion I really believe the booing when CL got hurt and returned was directed at Flood not CL. At least it was in my section.

Three: CL you can become a hero on this board if you do just one thing. Beat PSU. Something we have not done since 1986.

 

[Rokodesh]

I was always going to root for whoever is the QB to play as well as possible, I would never want our QB to fail. However this is the first time in years where being selected starting QB isn't a life-long commitment. Laviano definitely needed to sit last year, even for his own mental well-being, and Flood would leave him in. Similar to a goalie giving up 6 goals, and the coach keeps him in the game. You are doing more harm than good at that point. I hope Chris plays well, but if he struggles, I will know that Ash won't risk his career to keep him in the game out of stubbornness. This is how it should be, either you perform or you're benched.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Yeah those quotes really sound like he earned it. (By default.) Listen I'd be behind any Rutgers kid that didn't publicly take shots at the alumni. You try to be bigger than the school, it's history and alumni you lost my support. Oh and he's a terrible QB. Seriously take the points.

Seriously? He is a kid in a demanding position and you are going to take him to task for a mistake? Be the bigger person and give the kid a break. No really, be the bigger person.

 

[Scarlet16E]

I don't see the difference between booing a player and booing a coaches decision to put a player on the field.

Same difference from the players perspective.

 

[Knight Shift]

Doesn't this vindicate Flood's decision to stick with Laviano?

 

[Abro1975]

Laviano finished last season with 4 TD passes in the last game against Maryland, some of them long passes (yes throwing to Carroo helped), he's bigger, stronger, and more experienced now as well. Teel and Nova both made big jumps with each subsequent season, so the experience factor is Huge, IMO.
6 wins and he might be a pre season all Big10 pick fo

 

[MADHAT1]

Ash is showing that he is definitely a coach of defense--and not offense. Like I said in a previous comment--coaches are linked to QBs. Good or Bad QBs.

Could be the play and grasp of playbook of the competition more than just handing Laviano the job that is the reason Ash named Chris the starter over Hayden ,Gio, Michael and Zach.

I can't say Ash made Chris the starter because the D is all Ash knows.
Bet the OC's evaluation of the competition at practice had a lot to do with Ash naming Laviano the starter.

My opinion is: All the other starting QB candidates didn't step up enough to deserve to be the starter and Chris shown more than them and that was enough to earn him the job.
With improved coaching Chris might make believers of us with the way he plays this season.

 

[lilphilw]

I was proud of Laviano for sticking up for himself. People have different reasons for their booing but your own fans are supposed to be the ones to make a positive impact on a game. Not tear your own players down. I think its counterproductive. The fans can boo and say what they want but don't come crying if you can't handle the crap thrown right back in your face. He was clearly directing the posts towards those booing not the whole university. Anyone with common sense can see that

 

[mildone]

Could be the play and grasp of playbook of the competition more than just handing Laviano the job that is the reason Ash named Chris the starter over Hayden ,Gio, Michael and Zach.

I can't say Ash made Chris the starter because the D is all Ash knows.
Bet the OC's evaluation of the competition at practice had a lot to do with Ash naming Laviano the starter.

My opinion is: All the other starting QB candidates didn't step up enough to deserve to be the starter and Chris shown more than them and that was enough to earn him the job.
With improved coaching Chris might make believers of us with the way he plays this season.

Very reasonable post. Pretty much sums up how I feel about the situation. It helps that one of the news reports I read indicated that Laviano's arm strength seems improved over last season.

When the team plays badly, the QB is the most obvious focus and so he gets a lot of the blame, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. IMO, against the top tier Big Ten competition, our offense was regularly outplayed across all positions on the field except for Carroo and sometimes, Miller, who appeared to win lots of his battles on the OL.

Given how outplayed we were, it's not surprising that our QB play looked pretty bad. And it times it was bad. But other times, like when Carroo wasn't on the field getting separation, things weren't working but it seemed pretty obvious it wasn't the QB's fault.

I actually think Laviano showed signs of being a pretty good QB, under the right circumstances. Not so good that he can single-handledly overcome the O being outplayed all over the field. But good enough that if he has protection and his receivers get some separation, he will help us win games.

 

[knight82]

Doesn't this vindicate Flood's decision to stick with Laviano?

When you consider the fact that Rettig and Gio were behind Allen most of the summer, it does make you realize that Flood really didn't have another option to go to. But don't get me wrong, Flood did enough other bonehead things (like screwing up recruiting and that embarrassing email) to make me still glad he's gone

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

When you consider the fact that Rettig and Gio were behind Allen most of the summer, it does make you realize that Flood really didn't have another option to go to. But don't get me wrong, Flood did enough other bonehead things (like screwing up recruiting and that embarrassing email) to make me still glad he's gone

No. No it doesn't vindicate Flood.

Maybe if Flood allowed Rettig to develop he would be ahead right now. Then again, maybe Rettig would have won us more games and Flood might still be here. Rettig might have been the better QB for Flood's offense.

Now we are spreading the field and will dink and dunk.. maybe Laviano is better for that.. maybe all those 1st team snaps Laviano got under Flood gave him the experience he needed to beat out Allen.. barely.

New year, new coach, new offense for Laviano.. I wish him and us well.. but that doesn't mean Flood was right.

How about this one.. maybe Floods treatment of NOVA.. never pulling him.. prevented other QBs from being interested in coming here. Maybe seeing Laviano getting the NOVA treatment did the same thing.

No. Flood was wrong will always and forever be wrong on QB issues.

 

[lisamarie256]

Cris might have been awarded the starting position because he has the most game experienced, has the backing of his teammates and adapted to the way Ash wants RU to play more than the other returning QBs did.
Rescigno was Starting QB Freshman year, and was behind Five star Shane Morris (Michigan commit)his sophomore thru Junior years, and played WR. He came in his junior year, when Morris was diagnosed with Mono...Rescigno's senior year was what earned him his offer from Rutgers. Be prepared for this Dark Horse to run hard!

Allen might be a little rusty in his reading defenses along with his passing game and needs more time learning Ash's system.
Don't know if that's the case, but obviously Ash felt more comfortable naming Chris the starter rather than name Zach #1

Gio was supposed to need time to develop when he committed, remember even thought he was the starting QB his senior year in HS, Rescigno was a WRer his freshman and sophomore years moving to QB his junior year.
He might have the talent to be the starter, but needs more time to learn how to use that talent to overcome what Laviano is showing Ash.

This is the second year Rettig hasn't been able to pull ahead of Chris, we can blame Flood for not giving him a proper chance when Laviano was showing nothing last season, but something has caused Hayden to fall in back of Chris in Ash's eyes or he'd have been named the starter.

As for TO,probably Ash doesn't want Tyler to start and take the pounding the starting RU QB will probably be taking , until Parker builds Oden's body up from what it is now.
So S&C is what is most important for Tyler Oden right now and being in the starter's hunt isn't what Ash has in mind for him until he gains more strength and weight.

That's my uninformed opinion on how the race for #1 QB spot panned out

Cris might have been awarded the starting position because he has the most game experienced, has the backing of his teammates and adapted to the way Ash wants RU to play more than the other returning QBs did.

Allen might be a little rusty in his reading defenses along with his passing game and needs more time learning Ash's system.
Don't know if that's the case, but obviously Ash felt more comfortable naming Chris the starter rather than name Zach #1

Gio was supposed to need time to develop when he committed, remember even thought he was the starting QB his senior year in HS, Rescigno was a WRer his freshman and sophomore years moving to QB his junior year.
He might have the talent to be the starter, but needs more time to learn how to use that talent to overcome what Laviano is showing Ash.

This is the second year Rettig hasn't been able to pull ahead of Chris, we can blame Flood for not giving him a proper chance when Laviano was showing nothing last season, but something has caused Hayden to fall in back of Chris in Ash's eyes or he'd have been named the starter.

As for TO,probably Ash doesn't want Tyler to start and take the pounding the starting RU QB will probably be taking , until Parker builds Oden's body up from what it is now.
So S&C is what is most important for Tyler Oden right now and being in the starter's hunt isn't what Ash has in mind for him until he gains more strength and weight.

That's my uninformed opinion on how the race for #1 QB spot panned out

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Can Laviano give us 2400 yards passing, and let's say 600 yards rushing?

All of which is possible, if you can fix Laviano's poor mechanics.

 

[mildone]

Can Laviano give us 2400 yards passing, and let's say 600 yards rushing?

All of which is possible, if you can fix Laviano's poor mechanics.

Doesn't matter how good his mechanics are if he has no open receivers, or the receivers run incorrect routes, and/or the O line doesn't protect him. There's a synergy between the receivers, the O line and the QB. All have to do their parts correctly for the passing game to succeed.

Most people fail to recognize the various factors that led to a particular incomplete pass which often have little to do with the QB.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Doesn't matter how good his mechanics are if he has no open receivers, or the receivers run incorrect routes, and/or the O line doesn't protect him. There's a synergy between the receivers, the O line and the QB. All have to do their parts correctly for the passing game to succeed.

Most people fail to recognize the various factors that led to a particular incomplete pass which often have little to do with the QB.

This game is only meant to be played one way, and that's correctly. Poor Mechanics are not acceptable, and indicate an unwillingness to play this game correctly as well as a lack of respect. Both of which will get you hammered, booed, or both.

so yes, for Laviano's sake, I hope he gets his mechanics together, because anything less is a recipe for a lost season.

Meanwhile there are plenty of ways to create separation for the wide-outs. Such as overloading one side, timing routes, as well as play action.

 

[retired711]

I'm probably wrong, but I don't remember Laviano's mechanics being brought up much last season. The problems seemed to be lack of arm strength, a tendency to focus on one receiver, and poor decision-making. Perhaps my definition is too narrow, but I don't think of those as mechanical problems.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Most people fail to recognize the various factors that led to a particular incomplete pass which often have little to do with the QB.

And rarely do we get insight into it... but in the case of one famous interception by Teel.. we heard the story afterward.

I think it was vs.. um.. Navy?.. (was this it?)

Live.. it looked really bad.. like he just threw it to the LB. And while I did not know for sure what happened, I suspected something was up because we went to that play far too many times in that game.

It was a pass up the middle in the LB drop zone area... I think intended for a RB or FL. It worked in that game at least 3 times and maybe twice on that drive. But Teel and the OC went back to the well once too often..

Teel was reading the LB's hips. So was the intended receiver. If they turned upfield to run deep with the target, the target would turn under the LB and Tell would pass it short in front of the retreating LB whose back was now to Teel.

The problem was the LB had seen that play too often... and as soon as he turned his hips upfield he realized what was happening and stopped and turned around.. in front of the target and just caught the ball.

Everyone did the right thing.. the receiver and Teel.... but so did the LB. If anyone was to blame for that important INT that lost the game, essentially, it was the OC who went to the well once too often.

That was one play where the whole stadium blamed Teel for throwing it to the LB. Surely there have been many more that we never got the full story on... then again.. happy accidents happen on offense as well.. like many of Laviano's YD passes to Carroo where the ball was UNINTENTIONALLY under-thrown and Carroo just made a great play.

I expect CL to be greatly improved this year because I expect the OC to know how to use him. And I would LOVE to hear the real stories of seemingly big mistakes... but I'd be happier to not have to hear about mistakes and turnovers.

 

[mildone]

This game is only meant to be played one way, and that's correctly. Poor Mechanics are not acceptable, and indicate an unwillingness to play this game correctly as well as a lack of respect. Both of which will get you hammered, booed, or both.

Yeah, so basically I disagree with most of what you just said there. For a D1 college QB, poor mechanics, more often than not, indicates inexperience and/or bad coaching. It's hard to imagine it ever being an unwillingness to play the game correctly or a lack of respect.

Booing, on the other hand, pretty much always indicates an unwillingness to behave like an adult and a lack of respect.