Chris Laviano ranked 120th among FBS QBs by ESPN QBR
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Then what happens when we play the big boys, I'll tell you what,
those coaches better get him out of there, before he gets seriously injured.
Let's see, last year against Michigan State 15/24, 3 TDs, 208 yards and no INT.
Against Indiana, 28/42 for 386 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
Maybe he will improve. Don't leave that option out of your narrow view. If he does not, well, then the coaches will do what they need to do.
Didn't want to post a new thread about Tommy DeVito since some people might get upset.
Why don't we go after him late in the recruiting process around Dec-Feb? Most of the big boy programs take 2 QB if they are good enough each season. We are after Pro Set QB in 2017 so that's not the excuse. We can use 2 good QB next year in different situations. Almost all great programs take both Pro and Duel Threat QB and adapt. Houston QB is a throwing QB that happen to be able to run as a second option.
Why don't we go after him late in the recruiting process around Dec-Feb? Most of the big boy programs take 2 QB if they are good enough each season. We are after Pro Set QB in 2017 so that's not the excuse. We can use 2 good QB next year in different situations. Almost all great programs take both Pro and Duel Threat QB and adapt. Houston QB is a throwing QB that happen to be able to run as a second option.
He needs to throw EVERY pass short , medium, long off the correct foot...that is a coaching thing plain and simple...if Chris can't overcome this flaw let someone else take the team over...
Ash should keep it in mind but don't get Jonathan upset. I thought Tommy really wanted Rutgers.
It's true Laviano still hasn't shown much to date but keep in mind it's only 3 games in with a new system. I do not blame the coaches at all for sticking with him to this point. I'd just like to see another qb in there playing real time in case he really doesn't work out.
Maybe the Amway system, or the Herbalife system. In any event, I suspect like good coaches our current crop will try to find what Laviano can do reasonably well--if anything--and try to work around that instead of do what our previous coaches did with QBs, which is set up a system and keep hardheadedly trying to make it work no matter how much it fails.
Here are Carroo's stats from those two games:
(vs. Michigan St.) 7 rec./134 yds./3 TDs
(vs. Indiana) 7 rec./157 yds./3 TDs
Carroo accounted for all six touchdowns. If you take Carroo's production out, Laviano had a YPA of 4.35 and 6.54 for those games.
I think he was saying Leonte Carroo was talented enough to catch a good portion of Laviano's bad passes where as other receivers don't.
why did he bring in allen? play him, what can we lose, we are not going to compete with the status quo. 3 years is a bunch of crap, check out what other programs are doing with first year under the radar qb's
Having Carroo around masked some of Laviano's shortcomings.
So the QB is supposed to create separation between the receivers and their defenders now? Come on man. Our receivers are absolutely not good. None of them has done a single thing to deserve any recognition outside of Grant (and that too, not so much as a receiver).
Caroo was an above average receiver and Laviano was able to get him the ball just fine.
Come on man! Where do I mention separation? There were plenty of plays where the receiver was wide open. Particularly on the swing passes in the flats. He would miss them or just throw a bad pass that made them stop, jump, turn them around, etc. If they were completed, the inability to hit a window that allowed receivers to keep their stride allowed the D to recover and limit the gains. He even over threw guys that were 10 yards away when there was no defender between he and the receiver.
Ya I know what he was saying, but the counter argument has merit as well.
And I'm no fan boy of Laviano, but many QB's in the country enjoy the benefit of high quality receivers.
The QB-WR relationship is a symbiotic one.
And CL had the lowest Yards Passing per game of any QB in the B1G last year.
He has reached his ceiling. Time to try someone else.
Otherwise we are perhaps a 4 win team this year and next.
No fool, he is saying Carroo made insane catches on horribly under-thrown passes from CL. Most CFB wide receivers can't make those catches. Keep your head buried in the sand.
I have an idea. Instead of continually shitting on the QB our coaches have deemed the starter, maybe we can hope for and encourage a Michigan State like performance. But no, you folks just love to piss and moan about the same thing over and over again, and insist the situation is hopeless. Yeah, every single catch Carroo made last year was an underthrown or poorly thrown ball. You guys are ridiculous.
Best "practice QB" in the nation. Gotta be.
Bull. Not everyone is pro material. 90% of college receivers can get the job done. This falls more on the QB than the receivers. Say the ball is somewhere between the left hash and the middle of the field. The receivers is to the right of the formation somewhere between the right hash and the numbers. When a receiver pushes a DB up the field for a 12 yds out route with an inside release, the DB will shade to the inside taking it away a possible crossing/skinny post/etc. Now, when the receiver plants hard inside then breaks outside at about 10 to 11 yards he will have the DB by a foot or two due the DB's reaction and position on the play. By the time the receiver plants hard inside it's the job of the QB to have already thrown the ball to the outside mark, so when the receiver turns he head and body the ball is there. The defender doesn't stand a chance of making a play on the ball.
I counted a few times in the last 2 games where the receivers did their job, but the ball was late. I'm willing to bet most of you didn't notice the receiver on the play until the ball is in the air and by then you have missed most of the play. So it becomes easy to blame the receiver based on seeing only part of the play. Laviano hasn't moved on from HS to college when it comes to timing on pass plays. The biggest problem we have with the receivers has to do with drops because they don't focus all the time. Not because they don't get separation.
Chris Laviano sucks. I don't think this is in dispute. We could have Antonio Brown at wideout or the Dallas Cowboys OL and that wont change the fact that CL does not belong as the starting QB at a P5 program. He would likely be the BACKUP QB this season at a place like Lehigh or Fordham, and he is our starter.
So.... until someone else is playing QB, or CL makes a magical and dramatic transformation into a brand new player on Saturday, we the fans are going to bitch and moan and come up with 100 perspectives about his poor play on the field.
It is what it is until it isn't.
So.... until someone else is playing QB, or CL makes a magical and dramatic transformation into a brand new player on Saturday, we the fans are going to bitch and moan and come up with 100 perspectives about his poor play on the field.
It is what it is until it isn't.
Despite his shortcomings I will still support Laviano(even though I am NOT fond of him), coach ASHs decisions and the team. [thumb2]
I would LOVE to see GIO in a few running plays and TCU guy gets another set,,,,and lets not forget
[banana]Oden....[banana]
hey,,Laviano is DUE for an uncharacteristic GOOD game LOL:football:
I would LOVE to see GIO in a few running plays and TCU guy gets another set,,,,and lets not forget
[banana]Oden....[banana]
hey,,Laviano is DUE for an uncharacteristic GOOD game LOL:football:
What would you expect, when you hire a kid for OC,who keeps saying
how well he and Laviano got along during the summer. Are we ever going
to play 500 ball again with this kind of mismanagement?
Are you joking?
That "kid" was a coach at OSU and Houston before coming here, I think he knows way more than you do.
It's entirely unjustified to criticize an OC after 3 games installing a completely different offense at a school that is entirely comprised of players recruited for a different system. If this were a couple seasons in... different story.
I really don't know how much the "new system" is an issue here. Sure if Laviano could make plays with his feet that would be great, but I don't think he is missing throws, or showing bad mechanics because of the new system.
I think lack of talent at the position is the problem.
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