Chris Laviano ranked 120th among FBS QBs by ESPN QBR

[RUin2WIN]

I have an idea. Instead of continually shitting on the QB our coaches have deemed the starter, maybe we can hope for and encourage a Michigan State like performance. But no, you folks just love to piss and moan about the same thing over and over again, and insist the situation is hopeless. Yeah, every single catch Carroo made last year was an underthrown or poorly thrown ball. You guys are ridiculous.

I mean in fairness it was probably about 90% of the catches he made... and almost 100% on the touchdown catches.

 

[G-Bake]

I think lack of talent at the position is the problem.

That's an understatement!

 

[CERU00]

So the QB is supposed to create separation between the receivers and their defenders now? Come on man. Our receivers are absolutely not good. None of them has done a single thing to deserve any recognition outside of Grant (and that too, not so much as a receiver).

Caroo was an above average receiver and Laviano was able to get him the ball just fine.

Carroo above average?? Haha. Why can Grant throw a TD to Patton but Laviano cant? You have blinders on or you haven't actually watched the games if you believe our passing woes are all on the receivers.

 

[hiwater]

Are you joking?

That "kid" was a coach at OSU and Houston before coming here, I think he knows way more than you do.

Your point is valid, but replace OSU with James Madison. He was the OC at JMU

 

[RUin2WIN]

Your point is valid, but replace OSU with James Madison. He was the OC at JMU

I think he also had a brief position at OSU, the article about young OCs mentioned this if I remember correctly.

 

[G-Bake]

Your point is valid, but replace OSU with James Madison. He was the OC at JMU

He was, but also a grad assistant at OSU in 2012 and 2013

 

[anvilofstars]

Carroo above average?? Haha. Why can Grant throw a TD to Patton but Laviano cant? You have blinders on or you haven't actually watched the games if you believe our passing woes are all on the receivers.

I am not putting our passing woes on the receivers. You are jumping into the middle without reading what I posted first. I said Laviano is below average and so are our receivers. If the receivers were able to create separation without trickeration, we would call that play with Laviano as well. Unfortunately we are not able to do that with the amount of time the oline is giving us.

That's not having blinders on, that's just acknowledging that we have a long way to go. Putting in a QB that can pass won't solve our problems. We need more pieces.

 

[WGLTAUD]

Facts are facts

 

[MADHAT1]

It's entirely unjustified to criticize an OC after 3 games installing a completely different offense at a school that is entirely comprised of players recruited for a different system. If this were a couple seasons in... different story.

 

[mildone]

Carroo above average?? Haha. Why can Grant throw a TD to Patton but Laviano cant? You have blinders on or you haven't actually watched the games if you believe our passing woes are all on the receivers.

True, and you have to blinders on or you haven't actually watched the games if you believe our passing woes are all on the QBs.

It's a team sport.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Could be worse.

 

[Knight Shift]

I mean in fairness it was probably about 90% of the catches he made... and almost 100% on the touchdown catches.

K.

 

[mildone]

K.

Thing is, when I watch other games with better QBs, an awful lot of the throws are far from perfect and are often well behind or to the side of the WRs. Laviano ain't great, and he's had some bad games for sure. He definitely needs to get more consistent and make the easy throws. But, IMO, he's not as bad as many seem to think and w/some more consistency, would actually be pretty good.

 

[RUin2WIN]

K.

Well in the first three, the receiver has to slow or stop their progress and look back for the ball. It's not a good throw in stride for them to catch and run. The last two are better, but they're considerably easier passes to make. Also the last one is thrown to Grant and he has to jump off the ground to catch a routine screen. Means ball placement was too high.

 

[Blitz Pakage]

Thing is, when I watch other games with better QBs, an awful lot of the throws are far from perfect and are often well behind or to the side of the WRs. Laviano ain't great, and he's had some bad games for sure. He definitely needs to get more consistent and make the easy throws. But, IMO, he's not as bad as many seem to think and w/some more consistency, would actually be pretty good.

Anything is possible and I agree things can change. I'm rooting for the kid to do it. He's had every opportunity to prove himself, but has not of yet.

 

[mildone]

Well in the first three, the receiver has to slow or stop their progress and look back for the ball. It's not a good throw in stride for them to catch and run. The last two are better, but they're considerably easier passes to make. Also the last one is thrown to Grant and he has to jump off the ground to catch a routine screen. Means ball placement was too high.

What you're describing is commonplace in CFB. Even with really good QBs. I've watched countless good college QBs play over the years and, for most of them, the perfect throws you're talking about are not particularly common. In any game, the quality of the pass varies from throw to throw. Only the very elite have a high percentage of "perfect" throws.

Also, on the ball where Grant had to jump, there was this little problem of the defender jumping up to block the pass while directly between Laviano and Grant. You're simply being overcritical of Laviano's throw, which he placed in Grant's hands w/touch over the leaping defender.

It's not a computer game. Narrow passing lanes, defenders in your face or in the desired path of ball, WR's not running the correct routes, etc. all impact the perceived quality of the throws.

Laviano has to get better. Nobody can argue that. But if you're expecting perfection or anything close to it, you're going to be very unsatisfied.

 

[RUin2WIN]

What you're describing is commonplace in CFB. Even with really good QBs. I've watched countless good college QBs play over the years and, for most of them, the perfect throws you're talking about are not particularly common. In any game, the quality of the pass varies from throw to throw. Only the very elite have a high percentage of "perfect" throws.

Also, on the ball where Grant had to jump, there was this little problem of the defender jumping up to block the pass while directly between Laviano and Grant. You're simply being overcritical of Laviano's throw, which he placed in Grant's hands w/touch over the leaping defender.

It's not a computer game. Narrow passing lanes, defenders in your face or in the desired path of ball, WR's not running the correct routes, etc. all impact the perceived quality of the throws.

Laviano has to get better. Nobody can argue that. But if you're expecting perfection or anything close to it, you're going to be very unsatisfied.

I wasn't and my original comment was meant more in jest than anything. But Laviano is bad. There's no denying that and people can make all the excuses they want, but the mechanics weren't there last year and this year he hasn't made improvement. In fact I'd say he regressed because at least last season he lit up the bad teams. A defender getting between a QB and a WR on a bubble screen like that says the ball was held too long. If you watch in games this is common place where he takes too long to make reads or release a ball.

You're right that most QBs in college aren't making perfect throws, but the ones who are, those teams probably see much more success. I wish nothing but the best and hope things eventually click for him. But if not then he needs to be sat.

 

[Knight Shift]

I wasn't and my original comment was meant more in jest than anything. But Laviano is bad. There's no denying that and people can make all the excuses they want, but the mechanics weren't there last year and this year he hasn't made improvement. In fact I'd say he regressed because at least last season he lit up the bad teams. A defender getting between a QB and a WR on a bubble screen like that says the ball was held too long. If you watch in games this is common place where he takes too long to make reads or release a ball.

You're right that most QBs in college aren't making perfect throws, but the ones who are, those teams probably see much more success. I wish nothing but the best and hope things eventually click for him. But if not then he needs to be sat.

K.
Which McDonald's shall we stop by so we can judge how accurately you place the fries into the fry box?
I'm not arguing that he is great or good. But you and others in this tread are more than way over the top with your vitriol and criticisms. The only thing I will agree with you on his he appears to have regressed from last year. And he did not light up up against "good" teams last year because he was running for his life.

 

[RUin2WIN]

K.
Which McDonald's shall we stop by so we can judge how accurately you place the fries into the fry box?
I'm not arguing that he is great or good. But you and others in this tread are more than way over the top with your vitriol and criticisms. The only thing I will agree with you on his he appears to have regressed from last year. And he did not light up up against "good" teams last year because he was running for his life.

So instead of discussing the topic you decide to try and insult me personally? If you don't think he's a bad QB I don't know what to tell you. And I haven't pointed out anything about him or attacked him with over the top criticisms, so not sure where you're getting that from.

You're getting upset over a discussion about the leader of our football team who hasn't lived up to the expectations of the role he is in. Maybe you should take a break from the board for a little bit and calm down before you try insulting other people.

 

[Knight Shift]

So instead of discussing the topic you decide to try and insult me personally? If you don't think he's a bad QB I don't know what to tell you. And I haven't pointed out anything about him or attacked him with over the top criticisms, so not sure where you're getting that from.

You're getting upset over a discussion about the leader of our football team who hasn't lived up to the expectations of the role he is in. Maybe you should take a break from the board for a little bit and calm down before you try insulting other people.

I am far from upset and I am completely calm. I am amused at all of you armchair quarterbacks. He was not a "bad" QB last year. I have said he was serviceable in that offense. This year, he has not looked good or serviceable.
And my "insult" was an analogy. Whatever job you have or had (if you have ever had one), you will see that sometimes you hit a rough patch. Difference is nobody is watching your every move or dissecting it all on an internet message board. Reread what mildone said. You are demanding perfection, and that rarely exists at the college level for QBs, and it certainly has never existed at RU. Back to the rough patch, a new, high tempo offense has been installed, and it obviously not clicking for CL. Don't need to be so thin skinned.

 

[G-Bake]

K.

If we could get that play out of Laviano this year, I'd be satisfied!

 

[Knight Shift]

If we could get that play out of Laviano this year, I'd be satisfied!

Yeah, but according RUin2Win, it is all wrong!

 

[Knight Shift]

I wasn't and my original comment was meant more in jest than anything. But Laviano is bad. There's no denying that and people can make all the excuses they want, but the mechanics weren't there last year and this year he hasn't made improvement. In fact I'd say he regressed because at least last season he lit up the bad teams. A defender getting between a QB and a WR on a bubble screen like that says the ball was held too long. If you watch in games this is common place where he takes too long to make reads or release a ball.

You're right that most QBs in college aren't making perfect throws, but the ones who are, those teams probably see much more success. I wish nothing but the best and hope things eventually click for him. But if not then he needs to be sat.

Just watching the offensive series by Clemson. Deshaun Watson--throws high on a short pass and the receiver had to jump up to catch the pass; one really short screen pass on the money; next pass Waaaay over the receiver's head; and then he completely missed his receiver and threw an INT. Another series now, just threw over the receiver 8 yards downfield. By your logic, he must be won of the worst QBs in all of college football because he is no throwing right on the money.