he went into the stands attacking fans. He mouthed off this year to fans. he choked his GF at UNC. The press would have a field day. He is also battling sobriety.
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he went into the stands attacking fans. He mouthed off this year to fans. he choked his GF at UNC. The press would have a field day. He is also battling sobriety.
He ain't be hired as Pope. I guess the idea of second chances from issues 15-20 years ago when he was a drunk are not very popular. I wouldn't eliminate him for it. And blowing kisses to some dope in the stands at Iona? Hardly a ticking time bomb. I think a story of redemption is a positive news story & it's already public knowledge. If it's a risk because he's still got issues is totally another story. I still would rather have Lonergan.
http://blogs.app.com/hawks/2011/03/30/edelson-king-rice-column/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/s...coach-leads-by-example-both-bad-and-good.html
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Want him or not, we're not hiring knowingly hiring anyone with behavioural issues, which knocks out more than one guy on those lists. On the other hand, the "we'd never be able to get X" stuff is overblown. Money talks. Just a question if we have it or not. If not, I'd stay the course until we do. Don't need a second tier guy just because we're tired of bad seasons.
His squad has suffered through injuries all season long. Not Danny's fault.
Why? There is no pressure at all. Just take what you are given and drive it into the ground. That's been the model.
So you think we would beat URI head to head? Or would we lose by 20?
Doesn't matter. Our program is awful and URI is DISAPPOINTED to only be a game over .500. We would be dancing in the streets with that record against any schedule.
And who cares who we play in the conference when we only beat the dregs of the universe out of it?
Sure, perspective matters, and I'm not a Hurley guy, but removing our issues from this season wouldn't guarantee a better record. And THAT is sad.
How many players are in Seton Hall's rotation? Enough of the injury BS. We're terrible with or without them. Rhode Island is a better program under Hurley than Ritgers under Hill, Rice and Jordan.
We're a shit show
We're a shit show
He's done it with kids who transferred from larger programs. In the Big Ten, every team has kids from larger programs, because they are the larger programs. It really mitigates the King Rice advantage.
Perennial powerhouse at St. Benedict's with experience recruiting and coaching college stars and future pros. Developed relationships with important people in the area.
25 wins at Wagner
23 wins with an NIT appearance in Year 3 at Rhode Island.
Recruiting top 100 players and beating out Power 5 schools for recruits (like us). Four McGlynn chose Rhode Island over Rutgers and others, as well as 2016 shooting guard Jeff Dowtin and 2015 decommit Leroy Butts.
They have 14 wins this season but they did lose one of their best players. Unlike Jordan, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt based on how they've played without Matthews and during 2014-15 season (which included a sweep of GW). They play hard and they play defense. Recruiting remains on the upswing.
Junior EC Matthews was a 4-star, Jarred Terrell was a 4-star and inside the top 70 (at Rhode Island!).
He signed one of the most under the radar players in NJ in 2016, someone Rutgers never watched and never offered. In fact, The Patrick School HC/AD openly mocked the Rutgers staff on social media.
Obviously I would take some other guys before him, but at some point he becomes one of the best candidates.
Amaker, Lonergan, Sendek, Greenberg.
Then Hurley.
Who's better a mix of recruiter/defensive-minded coach who's young (early 40s) and competitive and rom NJ after the first four names I cited above?
Engles, Boyle and Dooley? Maybe, if we miss on Hurley, but not BEFORE Hurley.
So while he hasn't made the tournament, he's made the NIT at Rhode Island and has them in position to make the dance as long as he's there, with a 14-win team that's competitive without its best player.
He recruits four-star players to Rhode Island. He has good assistants (Jim Carr, for example) and grassroots and high school coaches trust him with their players.
New Jersey would rally around Hurley moreso than even a Sendek, and we all agree that knowing how to recruit NJ - not just the desire - is very important to hit our potential. We don't need the best, but we need to rebuild relationships with local coaches much like Coach Ash has done since arriving at Rutgers.
You don't wave the white flag.
25 wins at Wagner
23 wins with an NIT appearance in Year 3 at Rhode Island.
Recruiting top 100 players and beating out Power 5 schools for recruits (like us). Four McGlynn chose Rhode Island over Rutgers and others, as well as 2016 shooting guard Jeff Dowtin and 2015 decommit Leroy Butts.
They have 14 wins this season but they did lose one of their best players. Unlike Jordan, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt based on how they've played without Matthews and during 2014-15 season (which included a sweep of GW). They play hard and they play defense. Recruiting remains on the upswing.
Junior EC Matthews was a 4-star, Jarred Terrell was a 4-star and inside the top 70 (at Rhode Island!).
He signed one of the most under the radar players in NJ in 2016, someone Rutgers never watched and never offered. In fact, The Patrick School HC/AD openly mocked the Rutgers staff on social media.
Obviously I would take some other guys before him, but at some point he becomes one of the best candidates.
Amaker, Lonergan, Sendek, Greenberg.
Then Hurley.
Who's better a mix of recruiter/defensive-minded coach who's young (early 40s) and competitive and rom NJ after the first four names I cited above?
Engles, Boyle and Dooley? Maybe, if we miss on Hurley, but not BEFORE Hurley.
So while he hasn't made the tournament, he's made the NIT at Rhode Island and has them in position to make the dance as long as he's there, with a 14-win team that's competitive without its best player.
He recruits four-star players to Rhode Island. He has good assistants (Jim Carr, for example) and grassroots and high school coaches trust him with their players.
New Jersey would rally around Hurley moreso than even a Sendek, and we all agree that knowing how to recruit NJ - not just the desire - is very important to hit our potential. We don't need the best, but we need to rebuild relationships with local coaches much like Coach Ash has done since arriving at Rutgers.
You don't wave the white flag.
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His candidacy is really rooted in that belief that they Hurley name will somehow rally New Jersey players/coaches behind Rutgers. It's the same myth we've heard in basketball and football for years - "you need a Jersey guy".Yes there would be "buzz" in the media and all the local coaches would say great things about him and the Hurley brand but then he still has to actually coach and win games.
He's four years in and he has recruited reasonably well but he hasn't shown that much on the court. It's not like URI was a terrible place before he got there. Yes the year before he started they were bad but that program was winning 20 games and going to the NIT before he was there.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be successful but I wouldn't call him a particularly good candidate based on his actual track record. If Rutgers were to hire him it's a leap of faith based on his recruiting potential rather than his actual resume.
He's four years in and he has recruited reasonably well but he hasn't shown that much on the court. It's not like URI was a terrible place before he got there. Yes the year before he started they were bad but that program was winning 20 games and going to the NIT before he was there.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be successful but I wouldn't call him a particularly good candidate based on his actual track record. If Rutgers were to hire him it's a leap of faith based on his recruiting potential rather than his actual resume.
You might be right. The Hurley last name is important. Just like Jordan was at Rutgers but nowhere else in D1. And some here would argue that Eddie Jordan has a better resume than Hurley.
At some point, after the best options decline, he becomes an attractive option over guys with similar résumés but without the experience of recruiting through handlers Someone from Massachussets like Mark Schmidt at St Bonnie's comes to mind. Will Brown. Steve Pikiell. Jim Engles.
What translates at Rutgers? Bannon got close and what was his resume like at Rider? Was it THAT much better than Hurley's?
I think Hurley could do as good a job as those other guys who might be considered better developers of talent, but can they sign the talent in the first place? I'm not picky about the HC, a lot has to do with the recruiting budget and staff.
We'll find out. All the people I talk to say he's a legit guy to lead a program. If Amaker, Greenberg. Sendek and Loneran decline, you'd be nuts not to call Hurley.
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Would Hobbs be nuts to accept the terms Hurley demanded before withdrawing his name from consideration or should Hobbs commit to 7 years with Danny .
All the pro DH crowd seems to forget he could have had the job but didn't want it under the terms Rutgers offered.
At Rhode Island he had one real good year and that doesn't rate a can't miss candidate rating in my opinion. Especially since the previous Rhode Island HC had 20+ wins in 4 of his last 5 years there. Fifth year, in that span, was terrible, but so was Danny's first.
He's 15-13 this year with a 60-62 record in his 4 years as the Rams's HC .
Danny doesn't look like a good choice, except compared to Jordan and if I had my choice of hiring Danny for 5 ( if he drops 7 demand) or keeping Eddie for 1 more to prove himself or out: would keep Jordan.
Yes I've heard Hurley has an injury problem, if RU's injuries aren't allowed to be an excuse for Eddie, please ( everyone) don't try to use that for Danny.
Did you read my entire post? Comparing Hurley to the next tier of coaches after Amaker, Lonergan and Sendek. Is that not fair?
It's easy for folks to bring up guys like Archie Miller (duh!) or Capel or Wojo or Cooley.
Keeping Jordan is a non-starter. The evidence against him is overhwhelming at this point.
If I'm debating whether to call the Albany or Stony Brook HC or Hurley, I'm calling Hurley. I'd take any of the three to be honest with you.
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Replying mainly to you saying this: "I think Hurley could do as good a job as those other guys who might be considered better developers of talent, but can they sign the talent in the first place?" and to those who think Danny is a top tier candidate.
For the record, I'm not saying Hurley is the best candidate.
But to dismiss him entirely for - well I never hear the names of coaches who are so much better - is shortsighted.
I've already conceded that there are better coaches out there.
We know it takes more than just rolling out the ball and running offensive drills.
But to dismiss him entirely for - well I never hear the names of coaches who are so much better - is shortsighted.
I've already conceded that there are better coaches out there.
We know it takes more than just rolling out the ball and running offensive drills.
Sendek, Lonergan, Amaker, Greenberg.
But we won't attract Big East coaches, Will Wade or Archie Miller so then what?
Imagine this was 2001. Would we be too good for a coach from Hofstra (Wright)? Or Delaware (Mike Brey)?
Yes Hurley could be a candidate but he's far down the list. It seems how far down the list is the debate.
I don't think Jay Wright and Mike Brey are comparisons that should even be made. They both had much better resumes than Hurley does at this stage. Heck Rutgers wanted to hire Wright in 2001. Nova pushed Steve Lappas out the door to hire Wright when it looked like Rutgers might land him.
This is Hurley's sixth year. He has two 20-win seasons, one in the NEC and one in the A-10. Jay Wright had two 20-win seasons in his first six years in the NAC and American East.
Wright didn't have a winning record until his fourth season at Hofstra.
I'm not comparing the two as coaches but their resumes aren't miles apart through the first six seasons, and I'd expect more 20 win seasons in Hurley's future at Rhode Island.
Keep EJ for another year before hiring a Hurley. Hurley represents the kind of mistake we've made for decades.
It's okay to not like Hurley but keeping Eddie one more year will have no effect on the candidate we can bring in.
We're not a better job a year from now just because we kept him another year. He's 28-65.
If we don't hire Sendek, Lonergan, Greenberg or Amaker, who are some guys you'd like to target?
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People are killing Hurley for not winning more this year. However, you have to realize that if URI was near the top of the A-10 standings and in the NCAA picture, he would be looking at jobs higher than RU. While RU basketball has potential, it is not looked at as a premium job. Everyone on this board has to acknowledge that.
I agree with B1GNJHoops that RU should look at guys like Amaker/Lonergan/Sendek first. Unfortunately, I'm not confident any of those guys would come here given the level of institutional support RU has given to men's basketball traditionally.
It is actually a good thing from RU's perspective that Amaker's Harvard team and Hurley's URI team are not having great seasons this year. The same could maybe be said for GW possibly missing the NCAAs.
I agree with B1GNJHoops that RU should look at guys like Amaker/Lonergan/Sendek first. Unfortunately, I'm not confident any of those guys would come here given the level of institutional support RU has given to men's basketball traditionally.
It is actually a good thing from RU's perspective that Amaker's Harvard team and Hurley's URI team are not having great seasons this year. The same could maybe be said for GW possibly missing the NCAAs.
So keep Jordan until 2022 when we get a full share of the Big Ten money?
We can't fundraise for basketball with a HC who doesn't know how to run a college basketball program. See: Flood-Ash.
Going after a second tier HC like Hurley will only prolong the agony
Those considered 1st teir in this thread aren't the top of the line, but good enough to point RU
in the right direction.
Hurley took over a Rhode Island program that was terrible the year before, but pretty good the four years before that.
Danny would be just another gamble and one RU can't afford to take.
One good year in 4 is not the type of candidate Rutgers can afford to hire and ( again I say) one that walked away from being hired because he was hot enough at the time to expect a better deal.
Now he cooled off and his stock is on the decline and hiring Hurley would be hoping he could do the job . Even after showing (this season) he couldn't repeat the job he did at RI the year before
Rutgers has hired too many based on hope, that needs to stop.
Hurley is just another gamble and hasn't proven he's qualified to take on a task as hard as making RU MBB respectable.
Those considered 1st teir in this thread aren't the top of the line, but good enough to point RU
in the right direction.
Hurley took over a Rhode Island program that was terrible the year before, but pretty good the four years before that.
Danny would be just another gamble and one RU can't afford to take.
One good year in 4 is not the type of candidate Rutgers can afford to hire and ( again I say) one that walked away from being hired because he was hot enough at the time to expect a better deal.
Now he cooled off and his stock is on the decline and hiring Hurley would be hoping he could do the job . Even after showing (this season) he couldn't repeat the job he did at RI the year before
Rutgers has hired too many based on hope, that needs to stop.
Hurley is just another gamble and hasn't proven he's qualified to take on a task as hard as making RU MBB respectable.
Forget it. Having a coach who hasn't won a Big Ten game in more than a year is the best we are going to do.
Better to give Jordan one more year than hire someone that's a gamble.
I doubt Hobbs would be so incompetent to run Jordan off just to hire a hope he can type of gamble for the next RU MBB HC.
I would think Hobbs would give Jordan one more year rather than commit to that type of gamble that could set RU back 3-4 years until that HC was bought out.
So keep Jordan until further notice? I'm glad you're not the AD! Look, no scenario exists where Eddie makes it beyond 2016-17, so someone has to take the job.
Who ya got beyond the four names I mentioned?
Who ya got beyond the four names I mentioned?
Gamble? Isn't every coaching move a gamble? Isn't keeping Jordan a gamble in that we risk losing more of the dwindling fan base? You bet.
You're creating an unrealistic world where AD's make perfect choices and have perfect candidates to choose from.
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What great candidates are suddenly going to become available in a year that won't be available now?
Every coaching hire is a gamble, but the biggest gambles are a HC that has a team that regressed and doesn't have much time as a College HC.
Hiring someone like that might set the program further back that keeping the one you have for one more year.
The best option is pass over the bigger gambles, terminate the present HC and hire someone with a proven record and not just a couple of good years on his short resume .
Remember the next RU HC will either start turning the program around or push it further behind.
Long shots need to be eliminated in the coaching search.
Knee-jerk reaction must not happen if the RU MBB program is going to have a chance to improve.
Hurley is not a fit and the names have been mentioned.
What has Danny done to make him such a good candidate?
Didn't you call him a second tier option ?
That's not good enough for me.
Hiring coaches are always a gamble Hobbs isnt going to find some new pool of candidates by waiting a year
Here's where your knowledge is a lot greater than mine. I don't know if waiting another year puts us in better financial shape or not. I'm assuming it does, but I could be wrong. That is why I would wait.
I see both Hurleys as hotheads, and to me, that is the last thing we need. As to who the other names might be, I asked the same question! :smiley: I just don't follow the game as closely as when I lived in the States.
I wonder if Hobbs will go the assistant route and go with someone fairly young but know the B1G landscape and supposed to be good recruiters.
Dwayne Stephens of MSU might be the type of bet that would work out.
His being around 45 ( I think) and never a HC probably would make Dwayne to much of a gamble to be considered,seeing how bad of a shape RU MBB is in .
Trying to build a winner at RU while learning how to run your own program might be too much to expect from a rookie HC like Stephens would be.
Dwayne Stephens of MSU might be the type of bet that would work out.
His being around 45 ( I think) and never a HC probably would make Dwayne to much of a gamble to be considered,seeing how bad of a shape RU MBB is in .
Trying to build a winner at RU while learning how to run your own program might be too much to expect from a rookie HC like Stephens would be.
