Did RU wait too long?

[RUich]

Should Flood and Julie been let go a lot earlier than the end of the season? I'm thinking that not having the uncertainty hanging over the program all that long may have been better than what we have now. With the ongoing coaching changes swirling like they are, recruits would have known that a change was happening for sure and coaching candidates could have been contacted and, who knows, we might even have the new guy in place already. Just not thinking waiting has helped us in any way.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Monday morning QB!

 

[ImBadRU]

Maybe, too early to tell.

 

[brodo]

A lot of the movement comes after the regular season so I think RU acted at the perfect time (for this season.) But getting rid of Flood a few years ago would have been better.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Still schools with openings who let their coach go before we did. It hasn't even been 5 full days. Everyone needs to relax just a bit right now IMHO.

 

[JQRU91]

Got to look at it long term. In the end, if we get the right coach everything is fine.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Of course. Most schools already had their wish lists very well developed by the time we acted. Even still, we would have been okay starting the coaching search late, but by hiring Hobbs, who was not a college athletics pro until this week, I think we put ourselves well behind the curve in making overtures, and also in having the candidates consider us.

 

[brgossRU90]

But getting rid of Flood a few years ago would have been better.

Yes, so in that respect rutgers waited two years too long.

 

[vkj91]

No, who were the realistic targets that are off the board that we didn't get a chance to talk to on Sunday? Also, who are the targets that are gone that you would have wanted?

 

[sodakboy93]

Should Flood and Julie been let go a lot earlier than the end of the season? I'm thinking that not having the uncertainty hanging over the program all that long may have been better than what we have now. With the ongoing coaching changes swirling like they are, recruits would have known that a change was happening for sure and coaching candidates could have been contacted and, who knows, we might even have the new guy in place already. Just not thinking waiting has helped us in any way.

I think Flood should've been let go rather than suspended in the first place, but that has nothing to do with the coaching search and everything to do with what he did.

 

[knightfan7]

I am a players guy. Don't care about coach or his personal issues. He's a paid employee and all employees meet standards or get fired.

Should Flood and by extension Hermann been fired earlier? Don't know the answer but finishing the season is pretty much the norm despite what we saw this year at Md, Miami, etc. I do believe that suspending Flood for 3 games was the worst possible decision Barchi could have made and sealed this team's fate. There were already enough distractions to derail even a very good team, let alone this one. No one can tell me a lot of the players, especially the younger one's weren't looking around thinking "what next?". They took steps to insulate them from all the nonsense but can't protect them 24/7.

 

[demauroj]

Can we just stop these silly threads there are still a dozen teams with head coaching positions open. Did they wait too long as well?

C'mon.

 

[saran]

Flood should have been fired the same year the other three coaches were fired.. It was clear something was wrong. Last years successes against bad to mediocre teams just delayed inevitable. Then after the crime spree and Floods goofball academic shens he should have been relieved of duties. I'm not with the "Rutgers is acting so decisive" crowd. RU did the right thing but they did it late imo

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Of course. Most schools already had their wish lists very well developed by the time we acted. Even still, we would have been okay starting the coaching search late, but by hiring Hobbs, who was not a college athletics pro until this week, I think we put ourselves well behind the curve in making overtures, and also in having the candidates consider us.

You're really overstating things. Sorry.

 

[derleider]

Of course. Most schools already had their wish lists very well developed by the time we acted. Even still, we would have been okay starting the coaching search late, but by hiring Hobbs, who was not a college athletics pro until this week, I think we put ourselves well behind the curve in making overtures, and also in having the candidates consider us.

Of Mark Richt, DJ Durkin, Kirby Smart, Dino Babers, Scott Frost, Matt Campbell, and Justin Fuentes - which do you think we missed out on by starting late. Id say not a single one - Richt, Fuentes, and Smart are too rich for our blood. Babers, Campbell, and Frost too risky (only Fleck has really been mentioned as a serious MAC HC here, and he has connections to the state and can recruit. The coordinators we are looking at have Big Ten ties). Maybe Durkin - but its not like there are a half a a dozen coordinators of similar value.

So basically, the cost seems to be, as I said before - nothing. We have a list of pretty similar level guys - we will get one of them. Other schools will get some of the others. SOme of them will stay put. Whether one works out over the other is dartboard stuff.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

You're really overstating things. Sorry.

What are your thoughts?

I think its tough to replace both at the same time, especially if the AD comes in without knowing the lay of the land. Maryland had been talking about Durkin since mid November. Scott Frost had been rumored to Syracuse and was hired by UCF on Monday, Hobbs' first day. Schiano, Davis and Mullen had all interviewed for Miami on or before Monday. On Tuesday they interviewed and hired Richt.

Not saying it made a difference, but a lot went down on or before Monday, when we reached out to a search firm, and were first putting the list together.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Of Mark Richt, DJ Durkin, Kirby Smart, Dino Babers, Scott Frost, Matt Campbell, and Justin Fuentes - which do you think we missed out on by starting late. Id say not a single one - Richt, Fuentes, and Smart are too rich for our blood. Babers, Campbell, and Frost too risky (only Fleck has really been mentioned as a serious MAC HC here, and he has connections to the state and can recruit. The coordinators we are looking at have Big Ten ties). Maybe Durkin - but its not like there are a half a a dozen coordinators of similar value.

So basically, the cost seems to be, as I said before - nothing. We have a list of pretty similar level guys - we will get one of them. Other schools will get some of the others. SOme of them will stay put. Whether one works out over the other is dartboard stuff.

I get your point, but you are assuming we didn't want to talk to all of those people. Your assumption may be correct or it may not. IMO, Babers, Campbell and Frost are no more or less risky than Ash or Warriner. But the fact is, that if we had wanted to talk to any of those people, we would have been too late.

 

[PaKnight]

I get your point, but you are assuming we didn't want to talk to all of those people. Your assumption may be correct or it may not. IMO, Babers, Campbell and Frost are no more or less risky than Ash or Warriner. But the fact is, that if we had wanted to talk to any of those people, we would have been too late.

In the case a Babers we definately had the time if we wanted. Didn't seem like the other two were strongly considered.

 

[GeorgeStreet]

I would love to know who was on Hermann's short list before she was let go. She had said it was part of her job to always have replacement coaches in mind. In fact, I wonder if Hobbs asked her the same thing?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

OC - I'm pretty much with Der on this one.

 

[Silvers88]

Did I miss that Babers agreed to coach somewhere? Everyone is acting as if he has. What did I miss and where is he going? I know that SU had him at the top of their list.

In the case a Babers we definately had the time if we wanted. Didn't seem like the other two were strongly considered.

 

[StyleKnight]

Of Mark Richt, DJ Durkin, Kirby Smart, Dino Babers, Scott Frost, Matt Campbell, and Justin Fuentes - which do you think we missed out on by starting late. Id say not a single one - Richt, Fuentes, and Smart are too rich for our blood. Babers, Campbell, and Frost too risky (only Fleck has really been mentioned as a serious MAC HC here, and he has connections to the state and can recruit. The coordinators we are looking at have Big Ten ties). Maybe Durkin - but its not like there are a half a a dozen coordinators of similar value.

So basically, the cost seems to be, as I said before - nothing. We have a list of pretty similar level guys - we will get one of them. Other schools will get some of the others. SOme of them will stay put. Whether one works out over the other is dartboard stuff.

It's about having time to identify an under the radar up and coming coach. Any AD can throw money around. It takes a skilled AD to find a coach that will take half the money and produce the same results.

 

[derleider]

It's about having time to identify an under the radar up and coming coach. Any AD can throw money around. It takes a skilled AD to find a coach that will take half the money and produce the same results.

I assume that its mostly luck.

OC - it just seems like we arent into MAC HCs except Fleck - because of the risk of them not being able to recruit. And the coordinaors we are tied to have Big Ten ties. Its not like we are reaching out to other Big 12 or PAC 12 coordinators either - an attempt to mitigate the inherent risk in taking a coordinator.

In other words, I doubt we were into those guys. Frost in particular - Im sure if we called him and said- wait a day, he would have.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I assume that its mostly luck.

OC - it just seems like we arent into MAC HCs except Fleck - because of the risk of them not being able to recruit. And the coordinaors we are tied to have Big Ten ties. Its not like we are reaching out to other Big 12 or PAC 12 coordinators either - an attempt to mitigate the inherent risk in taking a coordinator.

In other words, I doubt we were into those guys. Frost in particular - Im sure if we called him and said- wait a day, he would have.

Exactly my point, both in this thread and in the other one I started about Babers. You may be right, we aren't interested, and if so, then I would agree that we probably aren't behind the curve at all. My concern (and what is driving my POV in the Babers thread and this one) is that we are identifying Schiano/Paterno guys and Big Ten coordinators because that's who we are familiar with. I can't help but think that if they had more time, maybe we would've seen more outside the box candidates - like MAC HCs or Big XII coordiantors. But who knows. You are right that not a lot of teams go that route.

Personally, I've got this notion working that I don't think recruiting is as important as coaching. My theory is that NJ kids are all front runners, so you bring in a real savvy X's and O's guy, let him coach up the current roster and as the wins come, the NJ kids will start falling into place. You can always supplement with some recruiting assistants as necessary. I fear that if you bring in a recruit first guy like Golden, he is never going to get off the ground, because the team won't be winning enough to change anyone's opnion.

 

[mikershoein]

Hey, let's be glad they got removed