Don't like the no Huddle

[Babybull244]

Sure it's a process but if your not good at something - do you want to speed up that process?

Gonna be hell on the players and the fans - don't think we have the player personnel to run a no huddle at this point - maybe in a few years but not now.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Sure it's a process but if your not good at something - do you want to speed up that process?

Gonna be hell on the players and the fans - don't think we have the player personnel to run a no huddle at this point - maybe in a few years but not now.

No we don't have the right QB yet, but wait until we do! It will be awesome.

 

[ArminRU]

Shut up.

 

[vkj91]

This is our offense now...get over it. Should we go back to staying in the huddle for 25 seconds? I mean we scored like crazy doing that. Here is the thing, we ran a no huddle fast paced offense today and looked sloppy doing it. However, 5 minutes after the gun our OC was talking to Lewis and Applewhite reminding them how he needs a QB

 

[So.RiverRat]

Really? The pro style has passed you by. So refreshing to get back to the line right away. More plays, more yards. New Jersey high schools will get us the personnel. Time is now, our strength and conditioning will get us there.

 

[Babybull244]

See the Chip Kelly's Eagles...killed the defense.

Hopefully this kid OC is not a square peg round hole guy.

Not saying in the future but we don't have the talent to run it at this point.

Will be scrapped before the season starts.
imo

 

[RU31trap]

Really? The pro style has passed you by. So refreshing to get back to the line right away. More plays, more yards. New Jersey high schools will get us the personnel. Time is now, our strength and conditioning will get us there.

I think your right but sometimes it's best to take baby steps. Maybe a hybrid between a spead and pro style makes sense. Forging ahead with the spead offense with the current talent may so long lasting damage, specifically to recruiting. All I'm saying is to be smart and focused on the real prize and that's landing the athletes that will get you to a 10 win season. Forcing a spead offense on kids who don't have a clue will generate a 2-10 or 4-8 season which will ultimately drive decent recruits away. JMHO

 

[Babybull244]

Uh...you can run a spread with a huddle.

How do run out the clock with a no huddle?
It's a gimmick - imo

 

[csphi]

Uh...you can run a spread with a huddle.

How do run out the clock with a no huddle?
It's a gimmick - imo

Because you can slow the pace down

Duh

 

[rubaseball78]

They have had all of 14 practices. Did you expect a well oiled machine in such a short time?

 

[Babybull244]

Nope...just saying no huddle won't work in the Big Ten at this point...wait you will see.

The Big Ten is not Houston...just saying!

 

[csphi]

Nope...just saying no huddle won't work in the Big Ten at this point...wait you will see.

The Big Ten is not Houston...just saying!

How is Ohio State fairing?

 

[RU-ROCS]

They have had all of 14 practices. Did you expect a well oiled machine in such a short time?

Exactly!!!

 

[ArminRU]

Nope...just saying no huddle won't work in the Big Ten at this point...wait you will see.

The Big Ten is not Houston...just saying!

You are speaking in hypotheticals about something you don't know anything about. Just stop.

 

[RUwoz]

How is Ohio State fairing?

Not taking a side on the huddle debate, but Ohio state has top recruits running plays, we... dont

 

[csphi]

You are speaking in hypotheticals about something you don't know anything about. Just stop.

Exactly
And where did Houston's HC come from?

 

[csphi]

Not taking a side on the huddle debate, but Ohio state has top recruits running plays, we... dont

So....does that mean we shouldn't install the offense now?

 

[Babybull244]

HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE SPREAD - JUST THE NO HUDDLE!

Hell -.OSU second team could kick our ass 6 days to Sunday...of course you don/t install the no huddle until you have the personnel.

Sorry not drinking the Kool-Aid just yet but am stirring it.

Sign a Pat White and i'm all in.

 

[RUsince52]

They have had all of 14 practices. Did you expect a well oiled machine in such a short time?

No, but I also didn't expect us to have such a difficult time throwing the ball behind the LOS. Don't see how that is part of the process unless your transforming someone to be a QB. More questions than questions !

 

[andysjb]

I am not worried about the offense execution of the offense, but how it will take a toll on the defense. Hopefully they can run the ball and take the pressure off the defense.

 

[MSRU71]

I find the comments very interesting. What interested me in the Ash approach to offense was to construct the offense that was the most difficult for him to . prepare for. That is what we will be running. I think an unmentioned benefit is the improvement the defense will make in conditioning and making reads by going at this offense on a regular basis. I was very interested to see the "Rugby" style of tackling. It will be nice to see our secondary tackle some folks one on one this year. We will be scoring with this offense. Grant will be touching the ball every other down. And our Defense will benefit the most.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

15 practices with a new offense and the Mehringer DID NOT run his full package. No new coach implementing a new system will tip his hand in a spring game.

 

[Babybull244]

Your making my point - of course they will suck at the Spread after 14 practices or 28 or 42 before the season so why speed up that process in a game?

Listen the Spread is not new invented by RichRod at WVU circa 2001 - how many times did they kick our ass in the Big East? We never beat Richrod...so the offense is fine.

This No Huddle was invented by Chip Kelly at Oregon circa 2009 or before at New Hampshire wasn't he OC with that Santos kid that beat us - i don't remember the year.

Just saying the No Huddle is no good for us at his point...in the future sure - maybe - but not now.

 

[redlight123]

Looks like a mismatch in style and skills. Kinda like richrod at Michigan. He had better players but the style never worked.
Also coach looks overmatched and scared. Probably because this is first real job where he is responsible.

 

[tico brown]

Not taking a side on the huddle debate, but Ohio state has top recruits running plays, we... dont

How's Northwestern been doing since 1999?

 

[RU62]

Bull and Red Light, I guess you have this all figured out and perhaps the hours of work and time spent by the entire staff could have been saved by bringing you in as consultants. I don't recall Chris Ash making any bold statements regarding the offense, how it should work and how quickly he expects it to be in working order. Maybe you guys know and can help out. But might I suggest your do not quit your day job. Let's see what things look like in September.
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This is why you have spring practices and a live spring game. Maybe the practices and spring game should be totally closed and any new offense/defense be unveiled in September.

Thought the defense was ahead of the offense in several areas. Corner and overall secondary play and coverage seemed to be much improved compared to last year. The players seemed to be better positioned to react and make plays. And secondary tackling looked better. Let's find the good to that we see.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I think we need it... but to use it like Urban Meyer does. When you have game situations where you know you can catch the D with the wrong personnel on the field.. do the hurry-up no-huddle. And every player on the field should be aware of the down and distance and recent plays and subs on both sides to predict when we will go hurry-up. It is a fairly easy concept. When you line up for a 3rd and short and you allowed the D to sub in the big bodies, everyone on offense should know that if we make it we are going again and are going to spread them.. hurry-up, no-huddle.

Maybe sub QBs for situations as well.. like when we think we can stretch the field with deep balls and we have good matchups, go with Rettig. For the short stuff, let Laviano run it. Like all things scheme-related, we need to be smart about it and well-practiced to execute it well. Scrapping it should not be an option.

 

[ngrant]

Seemed pretty well orchestrated to me. How many offensive penalties were called? Very few until the 4th qtr. If we don't have the bodies, we'll dazzle them with footwork.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Will be scrapped before the season starts.
imo

Awesome.

 

[eceres]

What are the skills required for a no huddle? I'm not a football expert but the spread is what requires proper personal not a no huddle.

Tasks needed for no huddle:
- all players look towards sideline
- all players know signals / responsibilities
- have endurance to line up quickly

So am I missing something? Seems a no huddle just requires learning schemes & endurance. That's all taught / trained not as much raw abilities.

 

[greenknight]

Counted only 2 penalties 1 offensive and 1 defensive offsides.

 

[rubaseball78]

Looks like a mismatch in style and skills. Kinda like richrod at Michigan. He had better players but the style never worked.
Also coach looks overmatched and scared. Probably because this is first real job where he is responsible.

Exactly how did the coach looked overmatched and scared? Overmatched by his own team?

 

[ArminRU]

Looks like a mismatch in style and skills. Kinda like richrod at Michigan. He had better players but the style never worked.
Also coach looks overmatched and scared. Probably because this is first real job where he is responsible.

What? :joy::joy:

 

[Reppin_Jerz]

I understand what the OP is trying to get at, but I don't think huddling is the issue, the coaches want to see the players get to the line, see what looks the defense might be giving and call
The appropriate play...that can't happen while in the huddle, the players are just going to have to look to the sideline anyway to get a new play most times and huddling wastes time and may cause more delay of game penalties

 

[koleszar]

Your making my point - of course they will suck at the Spread after 14 practices or 28 or 42 before the season so why speed up that process in a game?

Listen the Spread is not new invented by RichRod at WVU circa 2001 - how many times did they kick our ass in the Big East? We never beat Richrod...so the offense is fine.

This No Huddle was invented by Chip Kelly at Oregon circa 2009 or before at New Hampshire wasn't he OC with that Santos kid that beat us - i don't remember the year.

Just saying the No Huddle is no good for us at his point...in the future sure - maybe - but not now.

So I guess your not a firm believer in the saying that practice makes perfect. These kids just got a crash course in the Spread Option offense in 14 practices. They have a lot of practice time before Sept. 3rd. So in no way is it possible that they may improve from now until then in your opinion? I guess you were just perfect the 1st time you did anything in your life. Or was it that you had to practice 1st before you became great at it. I think probably 99% of the world falls into the latter category. Scrapping something after you just started is not the way to go, your freaking out to soon. Don't worry if this type of play continues well into the season I'll be joining your camp then.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Who says that going without a huddle means you have to always snap the ball with 20 seconds on the play clock?

 

[ILOVERUTGERS]

I am not worried about the offense execution of the offense, but how it will take a toll on the defense. Hopefully they can run the ball and take the pressure off the defense.

Bingo! Don't have a problem with the philosophy but fans need to understand it will take its toll on a defense and its depth

 

[BoogieKnight]

Who says that going without a huddle means you have to always snap the ball with 20 seconds on the play clock?

Exactly. You can always slow the pace down when necessary. But you can't be effective in fast paced no huddle unless you practice it and are accustomed to running it. Meaning you can't turn on the no huddle if you never work on it. But you can slow pace down.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Baby We have been killed by no huddle When we get the right guy running it and are comfortable with the concept you may be singing a diffrent tune.

 

[Hondo77]

Looks like a mismatch in style and skills. Kinda like richrod at Michigan. He had better players but the style never worked.
Also coach looks overmatched and scared. Probably because this is first real job where he is responsible.