But you get the revenue from extra home games out of it, too, which you don't get overseas - so the money angle isn't really a big thing. And there's nothing stopping the team from doing both, fwiw.
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But you get the revenue from extra home games out of it, too, which you don't get overseas - so the money angle isn't really a big thing. And there's nothing stopping the team from doing both, fwiw.
Not true. I remember Rick Dadika, a 5th year senior who would never play competitive basketball again, lamenting the fact that he would be playing in the NIT rather than going away for Spring Break, the year after going to the NCAAs. If I were a player in the CBI while the NCAA and even the NIT were going it would feel pathetic to me.
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mike rice used to say no to any kind of postseason IF the team was under .500, he said over .500 and he'd accept.
Trust me, if it were up to the kids and the choice was end the season or play in the CBI, you'd be hard pressed to find a single kid who wouldn't want to play in the CBI
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bingo, bango.
Pitt a perennial ncaa tourney qualifier at the time accepted the CBI bid in 2012 and won the thing and then went to the ncaa tourney the following year. In 2010, VCU accepted the bid to the CBI and won the thing and the following year went to the final 4. And we're too good to play in the CBI? Come on.
Play the games but sit out your best players!
Give me an accounting of revenue minus game day expenses for a 1st round CBI game. I'd think you would barely break even without even accounting for the cost per round of entering.....which would mean a 30-50K loss per round
i'd be curious to see if asked privately
Do we really lose 30-50K per home game? CBI costs $50K fee to enter - not per round, I don't believe.
Edit: Looking at another site that it's a certain amount of money to guarantee a home game, and it's for each round.
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https://www.kcur.org/post/umkc-pays-play-post-season-cbi-tournament#stream/0
Looks like the first two rounds each have a fee to host a home game, and the schools keep revenue from tickets, concessions, and parking. The subsequent games don't have a fee, but CBI keeps the ticket revenue - leaving the school concessions and parking.
So, $100K for the first two games (assuming we'd win the first?), and the potential for as many as 3 more home games worth of concession/parking. Do you think that attendance would be so low that we wouldn't make $50K back in each of those games? Even 3500 people at $15 per head for ticket/parking/concession comes to $52.5K
Maybe we wouldn't, I don't know. Still not too steep a price tag for extra live game experience for the freshmen, to me - provided we hit at least 15-16 wins.
Looks like the first two rounds each have a fee to host a home game, and the schools keep revenue from tickets, concessions, and parking. The subsequent games don't have a fee, but CBI keeps the ticket revenue - leaving the school concessions and parking.
So, $100K for the first two games (assuming we'd win the first?), and the potential for as many as 3 more home games worth of concession/parking. Do you think that attendance would be so low that we wouldn't make $50K back in each of those games? Even 3500 people at $15 per head for ticket/parking/concession comes to $52.5K
Maybe we wouldn't, I don't know. Still not too steep a price tag for extra live game experience for the freshmen, to me - provided we hit at least 15-16 wins.
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Youre right, youd probably get 1500 people at $40/head for the 100’s alone. Id pay $40 to sit in the 100’s in a heartbeat even for a cbi game
What did we do for NIT? I recall having to give RU credit card for my seat years back.
If they really are serious about this (which I hope they aren't) the groundwork needs to be laid right now. Season ticketholders need to be asked to make commitment before we get the invitation.
If they really are serious about this (which I hope they aren't) the groundwork needs to be laid right now. Season ticketholders need to be asked to make commitment before we get the invitation.
NO WAY. I am not paying an extra $120 per game to see us play NJIT or Grand CANYON on a Wednesday night.
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Well then you can stay home and watch it on tv haha, simple. But youre insane to think that attendance for Maine in late december of 5400 would be sliced by more than 1/3 to see even a school like NJIT vs RU in a lower level tournament. Our cbi attendance would be 4-5k. We have a rabid bball fan base who loves the coach, loves the team and thinks the future is bright and loves seeing the young guys ball
how many of the 5400 paid?
What percentages of season ticket holders pony up the additional money?
Price sensitivity?
Buying season tickets are a package. A fixed cost. I really doubt most would pay the extra
What percentages of season ticket holders pony up the additional money?
Price sensitivity?
Buying season tickets are a package. A fixed cost. I really doubt most would pay the extra
IF RU is invited to the CBI and IF RU says yes, they would be smart to do a promotion like: Buy, or reup, 2019-2020 season fix and get a pair of tix to one CBI game for free.
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how many fans do you think would come out for a first round CBI game against NJIT in mid-march? I'm saying 4-5k, what do you think?
I would definitely attend any game these kids play. Green can stay home if he wants.
Interesting. Doubt it would be unanimous in either direction.
Coming off a long, draining season, and a premier event in Chicago...don’t think there would be much juice for a Bowling Green or Western Kentucky in a tier 3 tourney.
Would I go? Weeknight, nfw. Weekend, sure.
All CBI games are on weekdays.
So, 1000 paying people? At an imaginary $15 per ticket and $5 for parking, that'd be ~$20K plus concessions. I like Russ' idea of marketing it with season ticket renewals - or maybe even giving out priority points for tickets purchased, or some other promotion.
Would there be an overall loss? Quite possibly. Would it be worth $30-40K to build more chemistry going into next year? Quite possibly. I think Pike and the players would all need to buy in, though. From a budget perspective, how much would an overseas trip cost?
You actually think a Rutgers CBI game would be on TV? And you think we would have 4-5K actual humans in the building for a CBI game? You're delusional. We're lucky if can get 5,000 for Big Ten team during the week.
Huh? Lay out $750-$1000 PER SEAT up front 8 months before before next season's tipoff and get two free tix for a meaningless CBI game? Assume you're kidding.
Wait, season tickets cost that much? LOL I had zero idea. Yeah, forget what I posted.
Forget making a profit, or breaking even if invited to the CBI. Consider it an investment in the future. North Texas won it last year, and is currently 18-4, maybe they make the jump to a NCAA bid, but there's a good chance they'll get a NIT bid.https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5584&s=305972
I think at least 3,000 would come to any CBI game. This team is capturing more & more interest from many RU fans. They are a wonderful story that is still developing. True loyal fans will be there.
I think there's value for next year even if no one showed up to watch. Hell, go on the road the first two games, and I don't think there's a fee - since the fee is to guarantee a home game. It'd even give them more experience playing on the road in unfamiliar arenas.
It has to be something that a) we do well enough to even qualify for, and b) the coaches and players both want to do. The money angle is just tertiary, to me.
It has to be something that a) we do well enough to even qualify for, and b) the coaches and players both want to do. The money angle is just tertiary, to me.
Something tells me we wouldn't be invited to CBI to play on the road.
How do you get up for playing these teams?
Campbell Big South 16–15 10–8
Canisius MAAC 21–11 15–3
Central Arkansas Southland 17–16 10–8
Colgate Patriot 19–13 12–6
Eastern Washington Big Sky 20–14 13–5
Grand Canyon WAC 22–11 9–5
Jacksonville State Ohio Valley 21–12 11–7
Miami (OH) Mid-American 16–17 8–10
Mercer Southern 18–14 11–7
New Orleans Southland 15–16 11–7
North Texas C-USA 15–17 8–10
San Francisco West Coast 18–15 9–9
Seattle WAC 20–13 8–6
South Dakota Summit 26–8 11–3
UT Rio Grande Valley WAC 15–17 6–8
Utah Valley WAC 22–10 10–4
How do you get up for playing these teams?
Campbell Big South 16–15 10–8
Canisius MAAC 21–11 15–3
Central Arkansas Southland 17–16 10–8
Colgate Patriot 19–13 12–6
Eastern Washington Big Sky 20–14 13–5
Grand Canyon WAC 22–11 9–5
Jacksonville State Ohio Valley 21–12 11–7
Miami (OH) Mid-American 16–17 8–10
Mercer Southern 18–14 11–7
New Orleans Southland 15–16 11–7
North Texas C-USA 15–17 8–10
San Francisco West Coast 18–15 9–9
Seattle WAC 20–13 8–6
South Dakota Summit 26–8 11–3
UT Rio Grande Valley WAC 15–17 6–8
Utah Valley WAC 22–10 10–4
You mean the fans, or the players?
If the players can't get up for those games, or have no interest in playing, then we shouldn't be doing it. Pike and the players have to be on the same page with wanting to do it, and taking it seriously.
As to the fans? I don't really care, to be honest. If we did the CBI, I'd go to the games - but the value isn't in the $$$ but the live reps against new opponents in the bank heading into next year. It's almost like starting our 2019-20 OOC slate a few months early - and it's getting back a couple of the OOC experiences lost by playing 20 conference games.
both....push to shove I'd be there too.
Don't underestimate the importance of the offseason. Getting to work in the offseason is important too. Good chance you don't win the championship of the CBI so your offseason starts on a bad note.
Don't underestimate the importance of the offseason. Getting to work in the offseason is important too. Good chance you don't win the championship of the CBI so your offseason starts on a bad note.
Well, there are very few teams that end their season with a win... and nearly all have losing records.
If we finish above 500, I'm all for playing postseason basketball in whatever tournament wants us.
It's important to play for trophies at this point in our build!
It's important to play for trophies at this point in our build!
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