How we can look this bad. We have experienced O & D Lines. Sure, not the talent level of OSU or Mich, but come on. These were two of the most lopsided games I have ever seen in over 30 years of watching college football.
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Wanna compare our last 4 recruiting classes with those at Michigan and OSU? That's all you need to know for now. Don't get too frustrated about it at this point.
we recruited better than Hawaii and they didn't lose nearly this bad to Michigan
I wish people would stop with this stuff. One game has ZERO to do with the other.
Don't forget that Hawaii flew from Honolulu to Melbourne, Australia to get blown out by Cal. Then five days later flew from to Ann Arbor. So jetlagged and completely unaware of what timezone they were still more competitive against Michigan than our boys who traveled all of about 2 miles.
Talent Disparity + Injuries + Lack of Depth + Rookie Coaches + New Schemes = ...
...or how about the most obvious reason of all:
We've got a 28 year old kid with no D1 OC experience coaching our offense in the Big 10!
With an absolutely atrocious offense, the defense is on the field all day and loses confidence quickly. 33 yards passing last week. 10 total yards this week. If it wasn't for Grant in other weeks, we probably couldn't have done anything.
There's no strategy to this O. It's the same schemes one after another. Like the kid's out there playing Madden. He needs to learn from more coaches before he's ready to run a B1G offense.
Then, in Ash's wisdom, he decided not to use a scholarship for a kicker, knowing just how bad our options were, and as a result we can't even give the opponent the ball beyond the 40, nor hit a field goal over 35 yards.
When your offense is this poorly coached and your kicking game can't do squat... it doesn't matter what talent level you have.
We've got a 28 year old kid with no D1 OC experience coaching our offense in the Big 10!
With an absolutely atrocious offense, the defense is on the field all day and loses confidence quickly. 33 yards passing last week. 10 total yards this week. If it wasn't for Grant in other weeks, we probably couldn't have done anything.
There's no strategy to this O. It's the same schemes one after another. Like the kid's out there playing Madden. He needs to learn from more coaches before he's ready to run a B1G offense.
Then, in Ash's wisdom, he decided not to use a scholarship for a kicker, knowing just how bad our options were, and as a result we can't even give the opponent the ball beyond the 40, nor hit a field goal over 35 yards.
When your offense is this poorly coached and your kicking game can't do squat... it doesn't matter what talent level you have.
Said it in he other thread: ditch the hurry-up. Slow down the game. Reduce the amount of possessions.
Snapping with 17 seconds left on the play clock and going 3-and-out in less than 5 minutes real time is going to absolutely gas your defense -- one already with significant depth issues.
Going no-huddle with a bad offense and a tired defense is a sure fire way to order up a 70-burger.
Snapping with 17 seconds left on the play clock and going 3-and-out in less than 5 minutes real time is going to absolutely gas your defense -- one already with significant depth issues.
Going no-huddle with a bad offense and a tired defense is a sure fire way to order up a 70-burger.
From an athletic perspective you have weak leadership. Those in charge have less of a clue than me about college football and yet they are making crucial decisions. Seriously look at the sequence of events on how your AD was hired. Look at the criteria used to hire the past and current HC and then look at how they squander money on other non-athletic endeavors. I'm going to put the following in caps: YOU HAVE NO MONEY!!! THE LITTLE MONEY YOU HAVE IS BEING SPENT ELSEWHERE!!! COACH ASH WAS NOTHING MORE THAN AN APPEASEMENT TO BUY TIME. SINCE JULY 1, 2013 YOUR SCHOOL HAS BEEN HEMORRHAGING MONEY.
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Totally agree. If the offense cant move the ball, at least try to take as much time off the clock so your defense gets some rest and the other team gets less chances to score
You say we have an experienced OL but when its third down and the defense pins their ears back they get run over and through very easily.
You're a CA water boy. There are plenty of schools that recruit worse than us and would not have lost by 11 friggin TDs and looked so inept -- at home no less. Start with any decent 1-AA school. Get a clue. The coaching staff is a big part of the problem.
Who is the "you" and "your" in this post? You are here so much, I always assumed you were a Rutgers fan.
It is very hard to excuse the margin of these losses regardless of the supposed talent disparity. While I am not sure we have a D-1 LB in the program right now you need to be able to minimize the lopsidedness a little better than this especially coming off last week. The only difference between the weeks is that Urban decided to call of the dogs which I don't think JH ever does. Otherwise OSU could have laid 70 on us as well.
everyone is always looking for the ONE reason that something happens, it is always a combination of things, the players, the coaches, the athletic department, the timing, the weather, the personal motivation of players and coaches, what is going on in your life (personally) at that time, injuries, the talent gap between injured player and "next man up", etc, etc.
I get the need fans have to "figure it out" but it is what it is, judge it over time, maybe a statistical genius could put it in perspective
I get the need fans have to "figure it out" but it is what it is, judge it over time, maybe a statistical genius could put it in perspective
Can you dispute what I wrote? You can't have it both ways Cabbage. You can't put down Bobby Petrino as a potential hire because he has a "personal blemish" on his record and defend the tragedy that took place this weekend. Petrino's experience and professional record makes Ash look like a BIG MISTAKE at best (and I'm being very nice). Many on this board are going to have fun on Monday morning trying to explain this weekend's performance, which was led by a coach brought in by an administration who has no clue of how to compete in the B10 conference....
3 immediate reasons
1) no playmakers in the WR Position. YouR top playmaker is a freshman that spent most of 1st yr playing baseball. Everyone else is pretty much not good
2) We do not have a QB which is exacerbated by the fact we no not have a WR that can get open.
3) LB play is going to be really bad all year. ZERO experience, young and ZERO depth
We have two Division One running backs, Martin and Hicks but our Offensive Coordinator with no Division 1 Offensive Coordinator experience cant figure out a way to make it work.
And our crack Special Teams coach had yet another illegal formation on a punt.
Coaching and not talent has left a lot to be desired.
And our crack Special Teams coach had yet another illegal formation on a punt.
Coaching and not talent has left a lot to be desired.
Let's hope Ash isn't stupid enough to promise starting positions or playing time to true freshman. The way you build a competitive program is by redshirting the vast majority of your freshman class. Otherwise you are just repeating an endless cycle. To compete in the B1G you need to be 3 deep at each position and you need to have people in the program for 5 years developing physically and mentally.
can start or red shirt and start, no promises, except that more likely to see playing time here than at UM OSU, etc...
Not sure much worse is possible, but let's play.
Those with one form of flood derangement syndrome will say it's due to the coaches and opponent, as if the players don't prepare, practice and, ya know, actually play.
Those with the other form of flood derangement syndrome will say it's due to the players and the opponent, as if the coaches don't prepare, run the practices and, ya know, actually call the plays.
Whatever stance you took 3-4 years ago dictates your bucket. And that position is blood writ...
yep. we tend to lock into our original positions and look for confirmation anywhere we can find it. Harmless in posting here but dangerous in voting.
We need BAC's pre-seaon prediction thread. I'd love to see if the people who were picking 6-8 win seasons (many of whom insisted, for years, that Flood's recruiting wasn't bad....), are a much higher % of those bashing Ash, than not.
1) wr=no talent
2) qb=no talent
3) lb= no talent
BTW, the right side of the O-line is pretty bad. Weren't they both starting two years ago when Michigan came here and left with a loss ?
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