Correct - when your a stud recruit and live up to expectations as a frosh, the brand name doesn’t matter. See Beasley - K-State. It matters when the reverse happens and you don’t deliver on the hype if your plan is to go to the league after one season no matter what. You’d be better positioned coming from a brand name school as a bench player for sure.
Duke Will have its whole staff at the John Wall Holiday for 2024 PG Dylan Harper
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Duke doesn't develop NBA players, they just take kids already going to NBA.
Kids who go to duke usually are worse off in the NBA (outside of a few guys, tatum zion banchero)
Kids who go to duke usually are worse off in the NBA (outside of a few guys, tatum zion banchero)
Programs are built by coaches. The Duke we knew is now dead they just don’t know it yet. Scheyer is not Coach K — not even close. No kid grows up saying they want to play for John Scheyer. He might have a very good year or so (see UConn) but eventually they will slide back.
Let’s see this play out the next year or so. Once again, I’m still not convinced that Scheyer can deliver year after year.
Let’s see this play out the next year or so. Once again, I’m still not convinced that Scheyer can deliver year after year.
And I didn’t even mention that I believe Dylan would learn/develop better in his year under Pike vs Sheyer.
If you can’t imagine what Dylan would mean here and what his experience would be at Rutgers vs just another one and done at D!ck, then I can’t help you.
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This is the biggest factor.
Is HC Pike ready to incorporate a one and done player into the established Rutgers system.
I'm sure HC Pike is saying all the right things to Dylan Harper but the proof will be in the pudding.
RHJ was too deferential and sat in the corner out of the action for way too many possessions.
Is Pike ready for a player to go get the ball and potentially do his own thing?
You guys seem AWFULLY confident that this 17 yr is really gonna say no to Duke on his decision day. Before he blew up, Duke was the first school mentioned, that he said he wanted to hear from. Duke is loaded with current NBA Superstars. Kyrie Irving, Jayson Tatum, Zion, Brandon Ingram, Banchero. The list goes on. Top players from the area that hoops Dylan with, have been flocking to there. Duke is star studded, glamorous, and a dream school. We'll see.. Hopefully all of you are right, but you seem overconfident about this
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Comparing a top football recruit coming to Rutgers vs a basketball recruit. Stop. RU football is still a joke. RU basketball is getting universal respect nationwide. It's not remotely similar. There is a reason we are in the mix for tons of top level recruits in bball and not football
The only place Pike and the program he has built gets questioned is on this board
Ron played the 4. Dylan is going to have the ball in his hands CONSTANTLY. Without question. Zero question. He is a playmaker and scorer
It's funny that some people think Scheyer is clearly the better coach at developing talent compared to Pike when we have zero clue if that is true and he is zero track record of success at this point
It's pretty insulting to Pike and his track record of success
Don't most Duke players end up duds in the NBA? Maybe they weren't developed all that much at all?
Does anyone really think Pike wouldn't have gotten Kyrie or Tatum to the NBA? 🤣
Good thing they chose Duke or else the NBA would have never come calling!
It's pretty insulting to Pike and his track record of success
Don't most Duke players end up duds in the NBA? Maybe they weren't developed all that much at all?
Does anyone really think Pike wouldn't have gotten Kyrie or Tatum to the NBA? 🤣
Good thing they chose Duke or else the NBA would have never come calling!
Yes everyone that's acting like this is close to a sure thing
Lol, no one is saying that. Even those that think Dylan will end up here don't think that
getting back to the original headline...
Harper is in NC for this tournie. It would be offensive if the entire Duke staff didn't come see him. And he's not going to campus while he's there? I'd say that's a positive for RU, personally.
Harper is in NC for this tournie. It would be offensive if the entire Duke staff didn't come see him. And he's not going to campus while he's there? I'd say that's a positive for RU, personally.
If you are including me in the confident group, I am neither confident nor not confident.
First and foremost, I believe that Dylan would do best at Rutgers with Pike and this staff developing him. I think the experience at Rutgers would be best also, since he would unquestionably be the dude and NJ/NYC would be absolutely bonkers over Dylan and this team. We would be a top 5 team with a ton of press. There is no hype and press like NYC/NJ hype. Think Louisville 2006, but for a whole year.
somebody just tell him the story that we would actually be Duke if we had taken the families money back in the day. So if he chooses Rutgers he can say he choose both schools.
Since apparently he’s one and done anyway, it might come down to $$ or the best chance to win a championship. Big disadvantages for us IMO. He’d have to really like Pike or feel the love from the fans to overcome that.
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It's a very good comparison. Our bball staff in 7 years hasn't gotten one kid drafted. Whereas in the past 7 drafts duke has had the following draft picks overall
2016- #2, #49
2017- #3, #12, #20, #31, #37
2018- #2, #7, #21, #37
2019- #1, #3, #10
2020- #32, #41, #54
2021- #20
2022- #1, #15, #16, #26, #42
To recap. Rutgers hasn't had a single kid drafted since pike arrived whereas Duke has had 23 total kids drafted including two 1st overall picks and 15 first round picks. But I'm insane for saying that this would be the equivalence of a qb turning down lincoln riley at usc to come play qb for rutgers. Ok pal
You think anything you just said, registers to a 17 yr old? They see the brand, and the results. They see elite NBA players that they look up to, who wore the Duke blue. Here's an example of what's on the mind of a kid. In this pic, Dylan likes a pic, where he sees Legend Grant Hill, coaching up the #1 pick in the draft. Duke seems to have Dylan's attention, if you consider all the Duke content he likes. And it's not like they kinda won him over. Duke was literally the school he said he most wanted to hear from. It is what it is, hope he chooses us though
Do.. you think this is because of the coaching?
Unless scouts don’t know what they are talking about and are paid for no reason, teams that routinely bring in kids ranked in the national top 50 of their recruiting class are going to get more players drafted because those kids come in projected to do just that - get drafted. What am I missing here? Guys like Ron and Geo were not projected to be stars on high major teams let alone to get drafted coming out of high school. What point are you making here other than that Duke has had more recruiting success than us?
Pulling the data on the number of Duke picks doesn't make your comparison to playing QB at Rutgers make any sense at all. It makes zero sense
We could also get into a QB being so reliant on OL WR running game OC etc where a good bball player can much more easily shine on a bad team, especially a guard but don't really need to get into that
Rutgers basketball is a good program. You're comparing it to Rutgers football which is not. The analogy makes zero sense. If Rutgers basketball was Nebraska basketball, it would make some sense. Rutgers with Dylan and potentially a superclass could be a team tournament team that could win the B1G
It's just a really really poor analogy
You think Dylan and his camp are making a decision based on a pic of Grant Hill 🤣
They will be thinking deeper than that about the decision. Obviously the Duke brand name is huge. It's the only reason they are in the mix. Everyone gets that. Everyone
And somehow because of this, it makes Dylan coming here like a stud QB picking Rutgers as if Rutgers football and basketball programs are at an equivalent level of current success
One is still a disaster. One has had proven success
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nebraska while not a better team runs an nba system more conducive for getting players drafted if we're being honest here. They've had guys drafted in the past 2 drafts. I don't think you are willing to recognize that the system pike runs isn't friendly to kids looking to shine their scoring ability in preparation for the nba. This is well known and not really breaking news.
As I always say here, unless we all bow and say Pike is the greatest coach in america we get ripped. You guys are literally taking the position that a BASKETBALL player should choose RU over Duke!!! LOL. Think of how crazy you've gotten that you've landed on that position
Can you please, please just say there's no way he's coming here?
This isn’t even close to being true lol. Whether Dylan committed to Rutgers or Duke - it would have little impact on his path to the NBA.
A top QB prospect from NJ who commits to RU football would have to overcome:
- A bad Offensive line
- Undersized receivers who struggle to create separation or make catches
- A HC who still wants to play football like it’s 2005
- A program that is struggling to land an OC
- Almost no shot at upsetting a blue blood or rival (PSU, Mich, Ohio State)
And I could go on. All of this would directly impact this top QB prospects chances at the NFL.
If Dylan committed to RU basketball:
- He would be committing to one of the longest staffs that has stayed intact and has proven they can develop players
- It could put this already solid and successful program under Pikiell to the next level which would mean a top 3 finish in the conference and maybe a Sweet 16 or Elite 8.
- Our chances with other blue chip recruits would increase.
- A program that could beat any team in the country
- He might actually develop MORE and QUICKER because he will be the “guy” at Rutgers.
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Your success in bball has a lot to do with the system youre in and the guys around you.
Being the “guy” when youre the only guy in the backcourt isnt helpful when youre 18 years old
Again, you guys are going buckwheat because i said its very reasonable for a 5* to choose duke over rutgers haha.
You responded to one minor point in my whole post, and just disregarded everything else lol.
I actually agree that it’s very reasonable for a 5* kid from NJ to choose Duke over Rutgers. Even if it’s a kid like Dylan who’s brother had huge success at Rutgers.
What I don’t agree with is your comparison of a kid like Dylan committing to Rutgers basketball (over Duke) to a top NJ QB committing to Rutgers Football (over Lincoln Riley).
That comparison is trash haha. You aren’t giving Rutgers basketball or Pikiell enough credit and are severely off on the state of Rutgers Football and Schiano.
If you’re elite where you go to college has almost no impact on getting drafted. Just last year Wesley went to ND and Duren went to Memphis. They both had solid years (13-14 ppg) but didn’t destroy college basketball. Both went in first round after only one year.
Here's a little something for those who aren't completely familiar with Dylan Harper's recruitment... don't underestimate Hobbs (Karl, not Pat...lol) here... Hobbs was influential in the recruitment, growth, and success of Ray Allen, Richard Hamilton, and Caron Butler while at UConn... an impressive list of players Dylan is well aware... Ron Sr. knows it and is extremely comfortable letting his son know it, too.
McGowens was a 5 star. It actually proves the point that you don't need to go to Duke. He was only ranked 30th and still got drafted at a horrific bottom dwelling B1G school
Dylan obviously doesn't need Duke. He definitely doesn't need Duke minus Coach K. The thrill of playing for a legendary HOF coach is no more
Dylan is a unique case where the Rutgers vs Duke choice is obviously not the same decision as it would be for another recruit. There are other factors involved besides just the name Duke
Shooting/scoring ability is the primary skillset the NBA teams want .Harper can show that ability at Duke or Rutgers.What we don't know are the reasons why Harper will pick one school over other choices.Duke is a brand name school for elite recruits.Rutgers is the local school that has family connections and a program that has shown ability to defeat ranked league opponents.Outsiders will say Duke and most Rutgers fans will say Rutgers.
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Rutgers bball is in better shape, as it should be in year 7 compared to football in year 3.
My comparison is a very very good one. Im sorry but 5*’s dont care about anything other than the nba. So with that in mind, ask yourself, duke or rutgers. This one isnt nearly as hard as youre trying to make it out to be. Much like a 5* qb just wants to go where theyll be best developed for the nfl. You guy where you think will best get you ready to make $$$ at the next level.
