Eddie Jordan: Rutgers basketball fans have to understand

[B1GNJHoops]

The players stayed because Cox and Macon. It had nothing to do with Jordan.

Jordan hired little known Kyle Triggs as his recruiting assistant. Imagine if Van and Cox left immediately?

 

[ScarletRunner]

While coaching this abortion of a program left by the Mike Rice debacle, he recruited his best (and most recent) class, 2 4 stars and a 3 star, to come play for him. They didn't come for Rutgers they came for him. If you think the next coach, who I can guarantee (if Eddie is fired after this year) will have no name cache compared to Eddie's when first hired, and therefore bring in recruits no better than 2 star borderline 3 star guys, will do better well than you are mistaken.

OK, so you changed your position off from "Eddie's going to get it done and all you idiots need to accept it" to "No one is going to do be able to recruit better than Eddie, so we might as well keep him". Got it.

Look, I know you love the guy and as a great player I'm sure brought you some thrills in your younger days, but take a look at the list I wrote above. No one ever did those things to Rutgers basketball before... not Rice, not Hill, not even Littlepage (OK, maybe him, I wasn't here).

 

[RUsojo]

I never said he would get it done. Just that he should get through year 5. He started with shit. No one was winning in year 3 no matter who was hired. We don't want to buy him out after year 3 because then the next coach is set up to fail the same way. He has an extremely young roster now, he took over a shit roster, and his roster now is injury depleted, yet people expect this team who hasn't sniffed the NIT since Gary Waters to be .500 in the Big Ten.

You people are on crack. The guy just brought in his best class yet and you all want to show him the door and pay your next coach 750k. Why? Give the guy a real chance. Let him grow with his players. Either it works out with Eddie, or the next coach can be paid a real salary (b/c no buyout is needed) and start with a real roster (which eddie is putting together). The coaching carousel won't work. Especiall at Rutgers where we can't fork out the buyout and new salary.

Is it really that hard to understand?

 

[B1GNJHoops]

The roster isn't as young as you think. Contributors Daniels, Lewis and Grier are seniors. Freeman is/was a junior. We lost to every Power 5 school. It was a difficult schedule but the two blown leads at St Johns and Wake Forest were more bad signs.

Last year 15-game losing streak, bad losses and a transfer. That team had seniors!

Previous season he lost to every decent AAC and by61 to Louisville.

He's losing by 30 points yearlyand that's just unacceptable. 30-point losses to Seton Hall, GeorgeWashington, Iowa, Nebraska. And on an on. We are below FDU in KenPom.


There is enough there for his removal this season.

 

[ruman]

The players stayed because Cox and Macon. It had nothing to do with Jordan.

Jordan hired little known Kyle Triggs as his recruiting assistant. Imagine if Van and Cox left immediately?

Kyle Triggs LOL

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Eddie's first recruit was Junior Etou. Did he really come here because ofJordan if he bailed after two years? That's David Cox recruit.

Eddie gets paid $1.2 million per year. He's coached how many seasons vs. Chris Mullin? And yet Rutgers collapsed against a first time coach! What's the excuse there? That team was all frosh and grad transfers and they were without Malik Ellison, Yakwe and Darien Williams.

No one expects NCAAs in Year 3 or McDonald All-Americans but there is no progress being shown. This is Eddies program. His players.

He's not doing this for charity but his effort surely looks like he's coaching at a benefit charity event.

 

[ScarletRunner]

I never said he would get it done. Just that he should get through year 5. He started with shit. No one was winning in year 3 no matter who was hired. We don't want to buy him out after year 3 because then the next coach is set up to fail the same way. He has an extremely young roster now, he took over a shit roster, and his roster now is injury depleted, yet people expect this team who hasn't sniffed the NIT since Gary Waters to be .500 in the Big Ten.

You people are on crack. The guy just brought in his best class yet and you all want to show him the door and pay your next coach 750k. Why? Give the guy a real chance. Let him grow with his players. Either it works out with Eddie, or the next coach can be paid a real salary (b/c no buyout is needed) and start with a real roster (which eddie is putting together). The coaching carousel won't work. Especiall at Rutgers where we can't fork out the buyout and new salary.

Is it really that hard to understand?

So you just feel like no matter how bad it gets, we should just hang in there the full 5 years...? OK, that's your position. Just keep in mind that others among us think there may be something better out there than 18-game conference losing streaks/2-36 against RPI 100 and an RPI closing in on 300... I know, must be the crack.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

How is the next coach affected by Eddie getting 3 or 4-5 years? There are enough pieces (barring transfer) for the next guy to take over 2016-17. It's not like his recruiting targets are irreplaceable

 

[RUonBrain]

Just that he should get through year 5. He started with shit. No one was winning in year 3 no matter who was hired. We don't want to buy him out after year 3 because then the next coach is set up to fail the same way. He has an extremely young roster now, he took over a shit roster, and his roster now is injury depleted, yet people expect this team who hasn't sniffed the NIT since Gary Waters to be .500 in the Big Ten.

Who on this board said they "expect" us "to be .500 in the Big Ten?"

How about win more than an average of 1 conference win per season?

.500 conference record...
No one is delusional enough here to expect that.

But most of us would like to see us play like a real team once in a while.
I think that happened once this season, against UMASS Lowell, or whatever the heck that power house school was called.

Stop making it seem like people calling for change are asking for things they are not.

 

[bac2therac]

I never said he would get it done. Just that he should get through year 5. He started with shit. No one was winning in year 3 no matter who was hired. We don't want to buy him out after year 3 because then the next coach is set up to fail the same way. He has an extremely young roster now, he took over a shit roster, and his roster now is injury depleted, yet people expect this team who hasn't sniffed the NIT since Gary Waters to be .500 in the Big Ten.

You people are on crack. The guy just brought in his best class yet and you all want to show him the door and pay your next coach 750k. Why? Give the guy a real chance. Let him grow with his players. Either it works out with Eddie, or the next coach can be paid a real salary (b/c no buyout is needed) and start with a real roster (which eddie is putting together). The coaching carousel won't work. Especiall at Rutgers where we can't fork out the buyout and new salary.

Is it really that hard to understand?

he brought in his best class but has just picked us first recruit for next year who was being recruitied by Fairfield and Quinnipiac.

Meanwhile he lost his prized recruit Etou so the thin roster this year is partly on him. He also lost recruits Butts, Burnette, Johnson, Johnson, Parker. Freeman will be gone after next year, where is his replacement. Do you think Corey Sanders comes back after a 6-26...how about someone else..there are transfers EVERY year off of every team. Do you want Rutgers to extend him

also no one is calling for 500 in the Big 10...we are calling for signs of progress, which we haven't seen any in 3 years

 

[RUsojo]

ok BAC. You want more. I get it. But the thing is NO ONE IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL EXPECTED PROGRESS IN 3 YEARS. IN FACT GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT IT WAS A 5-7 YEAR REBUILD. Why continue the merry go round of financial burden by buying the guy out and be short handed when buying the best guy?

I'm just saying IMO we'd have just as good a shot at improvement the next two years with Eddie than with a new hire after this year (especially considering the money and state of program). And if Eddie doesn't succeed, be in a better position to move the program forward in year 5 by hiring a better candidate and giving that next coach more to work with ie roster/facilities.

We're in a tough spot. We need to accept time is an ally.

 

[bac2therac]

the same things were said about Flood...omg....and Fred Hill....and you know what we canned Flood thank god someone lit a fire under Barchi and it looks like now we may be serious about spending for athletics. Fundraising needs to start and it wont be successful with Eddie at the helm..why would people donate to that..they want a new energetic guy to be the face

 

[RUsojo]

I wanted Flood gone after year one haha. Rutgers basketball is not in the same situation as Football was when Flood took over....neither here nor there.

I think we've had a good talk so I'll end it with this; on the fundraising end, no one donated anything of significance for basketball when any of the last three took over so I don't think that matters. Saving the buy out money is probably more than the amount that would be raised unfortunately...

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

No one expected progress in 3 years?

That is plain stupid.

Results and progress are 2 different things.

 

[Mr Magoo]

No one expected progress in 3 years?

That is plain stupid.

Results and progress are 2 different things.

Exactly.. You don't get a free pass for 5 years and then after 5 years conclude it was a failure.

I can take the losses but I can't take the lack of preparedness (GW's 1-3-1 - give me a break), lack of defense, lack of effort, lack of rebounding (not in his package- lol), players that do not improve, teams that get markedly worse as the season progresses, and most importantly, lack of recruits.

No one in the real world gets 5 years without getting evaluated from time to time.

 

[Knightmoves]

um Eddie has no name cache in the college game..thats fact

Interesting comment because at the time Eddie was hired many RU fans thought that HS recruits would admire Eddie as Kobe Bryant's coach in the NBA and want to play for him.

We ended up being so wrong on that one.

 

[G- RUnit]

We all expect progress and improvement. The idea that it takes seven years to turn around a basketball program is ludicrous. Look at John Beilein where he has been ...everywhere.

 

[eedouble]

No one expected progress in 3 years?

That is plain stupid.

Results and progress are 2 different things.

Exactly - We should at least see some progress with his "great" recruiting class of last year. In addition, with the exception of Greg Lewis, we've gotten rid of all of Rice's players, so we should be seeing that progress with Eddie's system/players in place. Everything I see points to this team getting worse and worse over the last 2 seasons.

 

[bac2therac]

Interesting comment because at the time Eddie was hired many RU fans thought that HS recruits would admire Eddie as Kobe Bryant's coach in the NBA and want to play for him.

We ended up being so wrong on that one.

who is we, I never thought that. I didn't bitch about that hire then because quite frankly we needed anyone but I chuckled that because he was in the NBA that this was some recruiting pitch...do you realize that virtually every power 6 school can trot in a youngish NBA player not a guy that 16 year olds haven't heard about from 30 years ago.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

who is we, I never thought that. I didn't bitch about that hire then because quite frankly we needed anyone but I chuckled that because he was in the NBA that this was some recruiting pitch...do you realize that virtually every power 6 school can trot in a youngish NBA player not a guy that 16 year olds haven't heard about from 30 years ago.

I was going to post I am not in the "we." Jordan was hire that resonated with fans, but outside of maybe the DC area it meant nothing to HS kids.

 

[RUChoppin]

ok BAC. You want more. I get it. But the thing is NO ONE IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL EXPECTED PROGRESS IN 3 YEARS.

I don't think anyone expected a 3-year regression, either.

Jordan was meant to halt the skid. Restore a sense of legitimacy and decorum. Stabilize and then grow the program. Instead - nothing is stable, as he hasn't been able to retain much of the talent he's brought in so far and the loss totals keep getting higher.

So far, Eddie has gotten precisely 7 HS players to sign and continue playing for Rutgers over his three years (to date). In that same time, he's signed and lost 3 players, and had four others commit and then decommit. He's lost as many HS players as he's kept. He has 1 holdover from the Rice era, and 4 transfers from other schools.

We have 4 schollies for next year, and just one is full - with a lightly recruited guy who we're hoping is fully recovered from a gunshot wound to his leg. There are 3 months to fill three spots with Big Ten caliber players that will somehow move the needle. Based on his track record, I'm not entirely hopeful.

 

[megadrone]

Exactly - We should at least see some progress with his "great" recruiting class of last year. In addition, with the exception of Greg Lewis, we've gotten rid of all of Rice's players, so we should be seeing that progress with Eddie's system/players in place. Everything I see points to this team getting worse and worse over the last 2 seasons.

We're also at a crossroads. We need to determine sometime soon if Eddie is the coach and the man to lead the program forward or not. If he is, he should be extended so recruits know that Rutgers is committed to him as a coach.

If he isn't, then really, we should let him go, or figure out if there's anyone on his coaching tree to hand the reigns over to; it's another barrier to recruiting that has to be overcome.

 

[Caliknight]

ok BAC. You want more. I get it. But the thing is NO ONE IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL EXPECTED PROGRESS IN 3 YEARS. IN FACT GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT IT WAS A 5-7 YEAR REBUILD. Why continue the merry go round of financial burden by buying the guy out and be short handed when buying the best guy?

I'm just saying IMO we'd have just as good a shot at improvement the next two years with Eddie than with a new hire after this year (especially considering the money and state of program). And if Eddie doesn't succeed, be in a better position to move the program forward in year 5 by hiring a better candidate and giving that next coach more to work with ie roster/facilities.

We're in a tough spot. We need to accept time is an ally.

7 year rebuild, lol...

Back to Baylor. They had a guy literally murder his teammate and the coach cover it up and it didn't take that long.

I can't fathom how some people can live life with no expectations. I guess they are never disappointed.

 

[MADHAT1]

The players stayed because Cox and Macon. It had nothing to do with Jordan.

Jordan hired little known Kyle Triggs as his recruiting assistant. Imagine if Van and Cox left immediately?

Could be the players who left did so because members of Rice's staff were retained.
As for staying , if they didn't like Jordan even Cox and Macon wouldn't have been able to keep them.
Blame Eddie for many things wrong with the program, but don't say he didn't have a hand in keeping the players that Rice abused as Scarlet Knights.
Cox and Macon might have had the most influence in keeping those players, but Jordan was involved as well.