Eddie Needs to Step Down...
- Thread starter RUfan1979
- Start date
Mack was getting shots early in the year..... teams know he is the only shooter and take him out of the game.
That's so easy for a defense to do when a team only has 1 shooter.
I don't make excuses....I just know that the talent level and depth sucks. If he can't get it done with a full roster and the necessary pieces......HE SHOULD GO......PERIOD
Next year will be all EJ recruits. Even if Corey Sanders plays, I think it's gonna be a long year. Are we really pining our hopes next year on Ryan Johnson and Justin Goode? I hope they can play, but their other offers tell me not to count on either guys as freshman. Never believe a guys a shooter until you see him make a couple in a game. And I can't see Diallo being the savior either. I hope they all play a lot and change the entire vibe of the team. I hope Sanders is the PG starting day 1 and is a freshman AA. But I think it's much more likely that we are worse next year.
We basically need to add multiple impact players. Laurent and Freeman or Freeman and Ellison would be a positive sign.
I want to give our new guys the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea what to expect. Has anyone watched Diallo, Goode and RJohnson in practice?
I would also consider adding a veteran guard via grad transfer to backup Corey Sanders. We can't rely on a freshman to play 30 minutes no matter how good they are.
This post was edited on 2/20 12:16 AM by Aggs
I want to give our new guys the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea what to expect. Has anyone watched Diallo, Goode and RJohnson in practice?
I would also consider adding a veteran guard via grad transfer to backup Corey Sanders. We can't rely on a freshman to play 30 minutes no matter how good they are.
This post was edited on 2/20 12:16 AM by Aggs
I think we all know why Goode did not have a lot of offers. As a point guard, he gets no offers.... but, for a team just looking for a spot up shooter he is probably the perfect fit.
The Goode criticism is baffling.... Jordan said he was a great shooter.... did he lie? Mack wanted him to play this year because he is a shooter that can spread the floor.... did he lie? Maybe Mack doesn't know a good shooter when he sees one.
If a point guard penetrates and draws a weak side defender over.... guess what? Your spot up shooter gets an open look.
The Goode criticism is baffling.... Jordan said he was a great shooter.... did he lie? Mack wanted him to play this year because he is a shooter that can spread the floor.... did he lie? Maybe Mack doesn't know a good shooter when he sees one.
If a point guard penetrates and draws a weak side defender over.... guess what? Your spot up shooter gets an open look.
I saw a guy down the park in my home town when I was in high school who could really fill it up. He could not do it in a real game. Being a shooter in practice or against low level competiton usually doesn't always translate to making shots against top D1 competition. Very rare a guy with only Big South offer comes and stars against a major schedule.
I'm not rooting against Goode. I hope EJ is right. Hope Goode fills it up like crazy. But expecting him to fix our shooting woes as a freshman is a real reach. And if he was that outstanding, aren't other schools smart enough to offer him as a shooting guard? Him being a PG did not limit other schools from offering him.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
This post was edited on 2/20 12:34 AM by ruman
I'm not rooting against Goode. I hope EJ is right. Hope Goode fills it up like crazy. But expecting him to fix our shooting woes as a freshman is a real reach. And if he was that outstanding, aren't other schools smart enough to offer him as a shooting guard? Him being a PG did not limit other schools from offering him.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
This post was edited on 2/20 12:34 AM by ruman
The coach doesn't matter. You could have Coach K in there and he would lose, just not as badly. The support structure simply is light years away from where it needs to be. A great coach would be like having a Sub Zero fridge in crumbling house. It is a piece of the puzzle, but there is so much more.
Besides the obvious issues with this program that I won't even get in to what makes you think any other coach wants this job at the moment? Who in their right mind would take this job knowing that Eddie Jordan, who is considered Rutgers basketball royalty, was not even given the proper amount of time to try and turn it around?
If anything it's a dead end job for any up and coming mid major coach.
If anything it's a dead end job for any up and coming mid major coach.
Ruman.....not about 1 guy, it's about slowly getting the pieces in place over several years. That's how you build a team up from rock bottom just 2 short years ago.
79- sorry for the moron comment. It is frustrating as season ticket holder to watch this program and it is starting to get to me.
But I think Cali hit the nail on the head best. It is all about the support structure and that will not be here for the few years if not longer.
Hitting the reset button this quick on Eddie, regardless of how bad it is, is not the answer. There are so many issues with this program.
The RAC - the lights and scoreboard has helped but still needs more work
No practice facility- see support below
Support from alumni and fans- it is horrible. No one wants to donate to the program and most of the core fans feel like they are supporting a hopeless cause.
No support from Rutgers- I believe the program still does not drag financially so they just let it be while they focus on football and other budget issues.
Big ten conference- it is great but like any major conference you need all the pieces to get out of the basement.
We all just need patience because that is our only choice unless someone on this board hits the powerball or mega millions.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
But I think Cali hit the nail on the head best. It is all about the support structure and that will not be here for the few years if not longer.
Hitting the reset button this quick on Eddie, regardless of how bad it is, is not the answer. There are so many issues with this program.
The RAC - the lights and scoreboard has helped but still needs more work
No practice facility- see support below
Support from alumni and fans- it is horrible. No one wants to donate to the program and most of the core fans feel like they are supporting a hopeless cause.
No support from Rutgers- I believe the program still does not drag financially so they just let it be while they focus on football and other budget issues.
Big ten conference- it is great but like any major conference you need all the pieces to get out of the basement.
We all just need patience because that is our only choice unless someone on this board hits the powerball or mega millions.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
There are 3.75MM reasons why EJ will not step down. If you read through the Court Club Recap you realize the likelihood of RU initiating a change is highly unlikely. Same situation we had with Flood a little over year ago, no money no change. Unless there is a change in thinking there will be no change next year either and the prospects for next year could be dimmer than this train wreck.
Better hope Seton Hall continues to have problems because that seems like the only saving grace for some around here. How we can take shots at any other program is beyond me.
Better hope Seton Hall continues to have problems because that seems like the only saving grace for some around here. How we can take shots at any other program is beyond me.
You people act like a bunch of little girls.
This season is a disaster. I said this season will be a disaster in October.
You have to root for Eddie. We are not getting another coach, not for at least another 3 years. I don't care if he goes 0-30 it isn't going to happen. We are not paying remotely close to a decent coach and we have already made it public that we are not spending an money for upgrades. Who in their right minds will take that job. Don't say any guy eager to make a name for himself because you have a better chance making a name at Sienna or Rider. And we are not paying for a coach that will pick up the fanbase. Jordan can use his name to bring in decent recruits. He has already. There is alot of stuff he needs to change but he is our only shot.
This season is a disaster. I said this season will be a disaster in October.
You have to root for Eddie. We are not getting another coach, not for at least another 3 years. I don't care if he goes 0-30 it isn't going to happen. We are not paying remotely close to a decent coach and we have already made it public that we are not spending an money for upgrades. Who in their right minds will take that job. Don't say any guy eager to make a name for himself because you have a better chance making a name at Sienna or Rider. And we are not paying for a coach that will pick up the fanbase. Jordan can use his name to bring in decent recruits. He has already. There is alot of stuff he needs to change but he is our only shot.
Seels -- "Jordan can use his name to bring in decent recruits. He has already."
He has already?
Maybe my sarcasm meter is frozen this morning. You can't be serious, can you? One possibly eligible point guard in his second real class? This is the class that should have been filled with, yes, decent talent on the hope of a new Rutgers era in the B1G. Before kids could see how bad this staff managed a B1G schedule. Instead, it's a class filled out with a couple of prep school kids wJordan can use his name to bring in decent recruits. He has already.ith Sacred Heart and UNC-Wilm type offers because the staff whiffed on their Plan A, Plan B and Plan C kids? And, of course, the first real class looked pretty similar with kids either holding the same lack of legitimate offers or projecting to be multi-year projects (Doorson and Diallo).
So educate us. Who are these "decent" recruits of whom you speak? Decent how? B1G standards or Rice Recovery Mode standards? And if they were really decent coming in, what has a year of tutelage from the RU staff done to their skills?
He has already?
Maybe my sarcasm meter is frozen this morning. You can't be serious, can you? One possibly eligible point guard in his second real class? This is the class that should have been filled with, yes, decent talent on the hope of a new Rutgers era in the B1G. Before kids could see how bad this staff managed a B1G schedule. Instead, it's a class filled out with a couple of prep school kids wJordan can use his name to bring in decent recruits. He has already.ith Sacred Heart and UNC-Wilm type offers because the staff whiffed on their Plan A, Plan B and Plan C kids? And, of course, the first real class looked pretty similar with kids either holding the same lack of legitimate offers or projecting to be multi-year projects (Doorson and Diallo).
So educate us. Who are these "decent" recruits of whom you speak? Decent how? B1G standards or Rice Recovery Mode standards? And if they were really decent coming in, what has a year of tutelage from the RU staff done to their skills?
This thread is just silly. The guy is less than two years into inheriting about the worst situation one can imagine.
You're going to fire/ask him to step down before he even has a roster with his recruits?
You're reacting to a terrible loss with irrational solutions.
The same way people wanted Schiano gone in his first two years when he was (2-9) and (1-11).
You're going to fire/ask him to step down before he even has a roster with his recruits?
You're reacting to a terrible loss with irrational solutions.
The same way people wanted Schiano gone in his first two years when he was (2-9) and (1-11).
I'm starting to get confused reading both boards, same circus different clowns. Both programs hitting rock bottom. Sounds like we are in a arms race for Danny Hurley sad state of affairs for both programs when all we can talk about is coaching changes.
He has some of his kids here. Usually you see some type of improvement with a team during the year. What we are seeing is a college basketball team regressing to what they played like in recreation games when they were 8 years old.
You can't compare BB with football. You are dealing with a smaller roster. It takes longer for football than basketball.
This post was edited on 2/20 9:16 AM by RocktheRac
We dont need a name coach. I'd rather have a guy at the start of his career that will do the dirty work than a 60 year old first time college coach, who has been in the NBA for 20 years.
We have a rotten situation - we have compounded that situation with the wrong type of coach
Are you sure Danny Hurley made the NCAAs at Wagner? I don't think he did. He's showing some progress at RI so that's good. Sons of coaches CAN be good coaches there are no guarantees. Did Pat Knight have any of the success of his father when he took over Texas Tech. No doubt it's nice to have a pedigree but I wouldn't just assume they'll be good.
I was one who didn't want to give Hurley 7 years and I still wouldn't. He's showing some improvement at RI and he did a decent job at his previous stops but he's still a big gamble as a coach IMO. Mike Rice had .700 winning percentage overall and .850 in conference at Robert Morris, won 3 regular season titles and went to the NCAA twice and how did it work out here, personality issues aside.
Maybe the Hurley boys could make the step up but I wouldn't give either of them the farm (7 year contract) based on what they've done this far in their careers. It's nice but by no means worthy of going that far out on a limb of a long term contract like that IMO.
apples and oranges...Schiano was a young coach with a vision and tons of energy. He had backing and strong financially support from the athletic director and President and BOG to improve infrastructure. Eddie does not have those qualities of Greg and he has no financially support or commitment from the AD to the BOG and President to improve infrastructure
Only 4 of the players on the team are not Jordans. Yes they are young but none of them have really shown much of anything thus far. His JUCO player Daniels is one of the most out of control players I have ever seen. Williams has been hyped but his shot is simply awful. These guys are all future role players, not what we need and none of them are scorers which we desperately need. Now we lose our top two offensive players and besides Sanders no one coming in that is Big 10 capable. Its not losing...its about not improving and look lost in every facet of the game
So far, I think Eddie is a terrible college coach and an even worse CEO of the basketball program. With that being said no change is, can, or should be made at this point in time. My hope is that he can acknowledge and fix the mistakes he has made in his 1st 2 years and make the appropriate adjustments. If one is open minded there is a very steep learning curve, i hope he figures it out.
I agree with those that say EJ isn't going anywhere. It's year 2 and I don't expect any change in year 3 either. I've said usually get 4 years minimum in basketball on top of which we're not paying 2M+ to buyout the last 2 years of a contract.
I am one though that does think a coach makes the difference even if our facilities are sorely lacking. The team isn't going to be built on superstar recruits. Even if we had better facilities, I don't think it would be. It has to be built on a bunch of no name players who aren't high in the rankings but play fundamentally well and in whatever system that works for them.
Is EJ the coach to put those kind of pieces together and have them work as a team? I don't know but to me whatever coach comes here present or future will only be successful with that kind of approach. It would take a superstar coach to attract top players here and that's not likely happening. It's whatever style of play a coach prefers, whether Wisconsin's plodding slow play of past years or VCU's havoc style or what have you, that gets a bunch of no names and utilizes them to play well as a team.
This post was edited on 2/20 10:38 AM by rutgersguy1
I am one though that does think a coach makes the difference even if our facilities are sorely lacking. The team isn't going to be built on superstar recruits. Even if we had better facilities, I don't think it would be. It has to be built on a bunch of no name players who aren't high in the rankings but play fundamentally well and in whatever system that works for them.
Is EJ the coach to put those kind of pieces together and have them work as a team? I don't know but to me whatever coach comes here present or future will only be successful with that kind of approach. It would take a superstar coach to attract top players here and that's not likely happening. It's whatever style of play a coach prefers, whether Wisconsin's plodding slow play of past years or VCU's havoc style or what have you, that gets a bunch of no names and utilizes them to play well as a team.
This post was edited on 2/20 10:38 AM by rutgersguy1
So 3 Rivals top 150 players in 3 years don't count? Or another player who was a 4 star on ESPN that was going to Pitt before he came here? Or four other 3 star players according to Rivals, one of which was one of the top players in the city and another was a person who already played for Miami?
This post was edited on 2/20 9:57 AM by seels2662
Hurley did not go to the NCAA with Wagner they got beat in their end year tournament. But he did come in 2nd place in the reg season with a 255 record. It would take a huge commitment by Rutgers to get either Hurley here. So I do not expect it to happen. Jordan's first mistake was accepting this job without certain assurances from the administration so I do not feel real sorry for him.
Valid points. It was a stretch to compare to GS but I was making the connection between bad records and fans calling for the coach to be fired prematurely.
As for his players -- Maybe I'm being too soft on EJ but his players are freshman on a team with minimal talent surrounding them playing against great programs night in and night out. Performances like last night are inexcusable but at the same time is this season any different from what we all expected prior to it starting? I just think firing him after 2 seasons is jumping the gun. Next year is the first team that it is truly his guys. If the storyline doesn't change then ill understand the call for his job. But not giving him a chance to put his team together isn't fair IMO.
That's nice but again to me it's not worthy of a 7 year contract. I say this all the time with regards to hiring coaches. You have to be worried about flash in the pan results and whether a particular coach can achieve results over the long haul when the step up is made. I think Mike Rice's results were stronger than the Hurleys and he didn't work out and I wouldn't even call his results that much of a flash in the pan as he was doing it over a 3 year span.
The trajectory of Danny Hurley is good at RI no doubt but right now I'm not sold on it enough to give out a 7 year contract. I don't like contracts that CAN financially handcuff you, specifically for an athletic department that is counting pennies like ours.
The thing I'd say is this. I don't expect a change for 2 years at least without some concession by EJ and I find that scenario unlikely. So after 2 years we'll be 3 years into our revenue sharing agreement and 3 years away from our full share. So IF there is a next coach, that coach's contract is going to overlap with us starting to get a full share so he'll know financial help will be on the way while he's still here. So that would be more attractive than our current situation and we'd have 2 years more results to evaluate the mid major type coaches out there at that time.
This post was edited on 2/20 10:40 AM by rutgersguy1
I have been saying this for 2 seasons...with one exception, the players who returned are here in body...that's it. I appreciate their loyality...as it is the difference between being 10-12 wins and 4 wins in the last years...
But ...but I am disappointed that they have ONE college career and just can't lay it on the line every night...
Pay attention when the lay ups and dunks are being made by the opposition...and who is on the floor
People completely underestimated the mess Eddie was left...
Now...NEXT YEAR there is NO EXCUSES for this type of effort. ZERO. NIL. NADA
I can live with turnovers...and missed shots next year...especially with a young team
Buts players Eddie brought in....
But I want to see 13 guys on the floor ready to run through a wall for each other and the school the represent.
Eddie MUST demand this of anyone who returns...or else the end of the bench they go
And Eddie MUST find the coaching ajustments to push for more. I understand the reasons for being easy the last two years. But its a new slate next year...You have 3 sophs and 5 frosh plus whatever else we add this spring
Got to do it right...MUST have MAX effort every time down...
But ...but I am disappointed that they have ONE college career and just can't lay it on the line every night...
Pay attention when the lay ups and dunks are being made by the opposition...and who is on the floor
People completely underestimated the mess Eddie was left...
Now...NEXT YEAR there is NO EXCUSES for this type of effort. ZERO. NIL. NADA
I can live with turnovers...and missed shots next year...especially with a young team
Buts players Eddie brought in....
But I want to see 13 guys on the floor ready to run through a wall for each other and the school the represent.
Eddie MUST demand this of anyone who returns...or else the end of the bench they go
And Eddie MUST find the coaching ajustments to push for more. I understand the reasons for being easy the last two years. But its a new slate next year...You have 3 sophs and 5 frosh plus whatever else we add this spring
Got to do it right...MUST have MAX effort every time down...
It doesn't take 5+ years to rebuild a basketball program and even if it did, we should be seeing progress after 2 years.
It will soon be the end of year 2 (although some will argue year 1) and we are playing the worst basketball since Eddie has been here. The team is devoid of fundamentals, the offense and defense are a mess, the team plays without heart and seems totally disengaged.
We have one good recruit coming in next year (hopefully), so there is no progress there either.
Eddie, although a loyal, nice guy, has generated no enthusiasm, and even die-hards are finally turning away.
I realize that many people think Eddie is a god, but there has got to be some kind of progress (or hope) and I don't see any at all.
I really wish he would step down.
It will soon be the end of year 2 (although some will argue year 1) and we are playing the worst basketball since Eddie has been here. The team is devoid of fundamentals, the offense and defense are a mess, the team plays without heart and seems totally disengaged.
We have one good recruit coming in next year (hopefully), so there is no progress there either.
Eddie, although a loyal, nice guy, has generated no enthusiasm, and even die-hards are finally turning away.
I realize that many people think Eddie is a god, but there has got to be some kind of progress (or hope) and I don't see any at all.
I really wish he would step down.
Flash in the pan? He has turned around two different programs. If RU had made the commitment when they hired Jordan they would probably be well on their way to success and an NCAA birth within a year or two. With a birth in the tournament they would also be recuperating the money they made the commitment with. It is small minded thinking that keeps this program down and keeps with the hiring of people like Hill and Jordan that can not get a job anywhere else. Rice was the one time I believe they made the right choice and would have had success by now if not for his other issues in my opinion.
I hate to say this but I am honestly starting to believe that this program is simply cursed.
We've have 3 coaches that were up and comers in lesser leagues; 2 of them imploded and the third was forced out. The coach that was forced out had the best record of success here since Tom Young left in the 80s.
We have no administrative support for this program.
We're financially stressed in the athletic department; we don't have donors willing to step to the plate; we can't claim that the competition around us brings up our level of play; we can't even seem to catch lightning in a bottle outside of the 2004 NIT run.
It's more of the same no matter who comes here as a coach.
At least with the conference changes over the last 2 years we're getting beaten by different teams instead of constantly losing to Syracuse, UConn, Louisville and Villanova.
We've have 3 coaches that were up and comers in lesser leagues; 2 of them imploded and the third was forced out. The coach that was forced out had the best record of success here since Tom Young left in the 80s.
We have no administrative support for this program.
We're financially stressed in the athletic department; we don't have donors willing to step to the plate; we can't claim that the competition around us brings up our level of play; we can't even seem to catch lightning in a bottle outside of the 2004 NIT run.
It's more of the same no matter who comes here as a coach.
At least with the conference changes over the last 2 years we're getting beaten by different teams instead of constantly losing to Syracuse, UConn, Louisville and Villanova.
I expect Jordan to have a meeting with the athletic director at the end of the season.I hope that meeting is as frank as the communication given by the Athletic Director to the Court Club.He needs to say that the mens basketball program is in bad shape and it will take 5-7 years to have any semblance of a winning program without financial backing for facility improvements within one year..In essence this would be like a exit interview because I think Jordan has too much pride to stay after next season when he realizes how hopeless the situation is for recruiting.He has nothing to sell to top recruits and the same would apply to other mid level coaches taking the job.
Kicking the can down the road is no longer a viable option for a program reaching Littlepage levels of total futility.The inattention toward this program has now reached a crisis state.Without financial backing there simply is no way out of the abyss.No coach worth hiring would want this job with the perception of the program and the lack of administrative support.
There simply is no sense of urgency to change the status quo.
I have stated in another thread that I would be not surprised that there would be two more head coaching changes in the next ten years.Whats happening on and off the court only supports my conclusion.
Kicking the can down the road is no longer a viable option for a program reaching Littlepage levels of total futility.The inattention toward this program has now reached a crisis state.Without financial backing there simply is no way out of the abyss.No coach worth hiring would want this job with the perception of the program and the lack of administrative support.
There simply is no sense of urgency to change the status quo.
I have stated in another thread that I would be not surprised that there would be two more head coaching changes in the next ten years.Whats happening on and off the court only supports my conclusion.
Flash in the pan because while the trajectory has been good he hasn't even made the NCAAs yet from either spot. It's nice but I can't consider it some sort of guaranteed stamp that this guy is going to be good when he steps up. You have to be making NCAA tourneys to be even considered no? Even if he did for a year, I still wouldn't be convinced. Look at Andy Enfield and that whole dunk city at Florida Gulf Coast. Made the sweet 16 in a couple years but he's struggling so far. It's still early in his USC tenure though. How about the Cornell coach who went to BC after going to the NCAAs for few years at Cornell. Fired last year after it didn't work out. Even if I can't remember more off the top of my head the list goes on and on.
There are plenty of mid major coaches who do really well for a a year or 2 and then flame out when they step up. It can be very hit or miss and the less you have to go on the more iffy things are so I'd be hard pressed to be handing out long 7 year contracts to those kind of candidates. I have no qualms hiring these kind of coaches but I'm not eager to give out long term contracts or huge money to them. So if it became necessary in the future, I don't mind hiring either Hurley if they continue on their trajectories but I don't like giving big enticements to do so.
This post was edited on 2/20 9:15 AM by rutgersguy1
