ENOUGH about the bit*****!!!

[R1776U]

we R all from NEW JERSEY... so lets shut up about the uni's and shut up about politics and shut the eff up about trivial matters and rally around R state and make our voices one sound.. WE ARE NEW JERSEY! screw the rest of the country.. BE PROUD of who we R.. want better morale? rally around the ONE thing that binds us all, NEW JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!... and kick some ass in the meantime!!!!!

what say you all?

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Hoo-ah!

 

[R1776U]

Hoo-ah!

that's the friggin spirit bro!

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

I'll just leave this right here!

 

[new jersey1]

we R all from NEW JERSEY... so lets shut up about the uni's and shut up about politics and shut the eff up about trivial matters and rally around R state and make our voices one sound.. WE ARE NEW JERSEY! screw the rest of the country.. BE PROUD of who we R.. want better morale? rally around the ONE thing that binds us all, NEW JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!... and kick some ass in the meantime!!!!!

what say you all?

+1

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

we R all from NEW JERSEY... so lets shut up about the uni's and shut up about politics and shut the eff up about trivial matters and rally around R state and make our voices one sound.. WE ARE NEW JERSEY! screw the rest of the country.. BE PROUD of who we R.. want better morale? rally around the ONE thing that binds us all, NEW JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!... and kick some ass in the meantime!!!!!

what say you all?

This is all about New Jersey ...says the guy with a confederate flag in his signature line.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

We're not all from NJ here, but I am, and it's the reason why I am a Rutgers fan.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

This is all about New Jersey ...says the guy with a confederate flag in his signature line.

I thought the same thing. Nothing says "unity" like hate and secession.

 

[mal359]

He thinks that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Enough said.

 

[RU2055]

That rant only works if you stick your middle finger out with one hand and grab your crotch with the other.

 

[RutgersUnion]

Are those of us not from NJ excluded from this?

 

[JPhoboken]

"On this team we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when add up all those inches, that's gonna make the f__king difference between winning and losing! "

"That's a team, gentlemen, and either, we heal, now, as a team, or we will die as individuals."

"Now, what are you gonna do?"

 

[DHajekRC84]

State of Rutgers

 

[DJ Spanky]

Whether we're from or in NJ or not, we are all here because we are Rutgers fans. And instead of bickering and tearing into each other (as some are already doing above), we should rally around our school, our athletic department and our football team. Let's remember who we are!

 

[RCTrooper]

Yeah, how about having a team that, if it can't win on the field, can at least stay out of trouble and excels in the classroom? Hard to rally around a team that has a lot of bad actors in the playing and coaching ranks. This team and staff embarrassed Rutgers. I'll root for them to win but some of their actions are indefensible.

 

[StyleKnight]

 

[KJ_RU]

Ignore the fact that the house is burning down, furthermore let's not even try to put it out. Instead let's stand united and proudly proclaim that that is our burning house!

 

[Rutgers36]

Brotherskinny nailed it

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

He thinks that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Enough said.

At the start it didn't. The only reason Abe Lincoln started championing abolition was to keep the British from siding with the south. The British were staunch abolitionists in the 19th Century so that won out over their desire to weaken the US by supporting the southern rebellion.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

At the start it didn't. The only reason Abe Lincoln started championing abolition was to keep the British from siding with the south. The British were staunch abolitionists in the 19th Century so that won out over their desire to weaken the US by supporting the southern civil war.

Show your work. What was the war started over, if it wasn't slavery?

 

[Sir ScarletKnight]

Show your work. What was the war started over, if it wasn't slavery?

It was but it wasn't.
It was over trying to keep the union together. Abe Lincoln had said that if he could keep the union together without getting rid of slavery, he would.

The South felt that their rights as states were being disrespected. Tariff of abominations, Andrew Jackson threatening them with military force for ignoring federal law, etc.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

It was but it wasn't.
It was over trying to keep the union together. Abe Lincoln had said that if he could keep the union together without getting rid of slavery, he would.

The South felt that their rights as states were being disrespected. Tariff of abominations, Andrew Jackson threatening them with military force for ignoring federal law, etc.

1. Trying to keep the union together. Okay, but why was the nation divided? The answer is that it was divided over slavery. That was the sole issue driving a wedge between the north and the south prior to the civil war. During his campaign, Lincoln acknowledged that the only way to avoid secession was to either permit slavery throughout the united states, or to abolish it everywhere. During Lincoln's campaign, and in the declaration of secession, the southern states acknowledged that the primary cause of seceding was to protect issue facing them was the institution of slavery that was "peculiar" to the south.

2. State's rights being disrespected. This begs the question -- What states' rights were being disrespect? Being states' rights, they effected the relation of all states with the federal government. The only states' rights issue that was unique to the south, that prompted secession, was the issue of slavery.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

It started due to the issue of banning slavery in all new territories in the west not over southern slavery. Slavery was part of it. Southern slavery wasn't really part of it.

This link explains it in more detail.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

At the start it didn't [have to do with slavery]. The only reason Abe Lincoln started championing abolition was to keep the British from siding with the south. The British were staunch abolitionists in the 19th Century so that won out over their desire to weaken the US by supporting the southern rebellion.

It started due to the issue of banning slavery in all new territories in the west not over southern slavery. Slavery was part of it. Southern slavery wasn't really part of it.

You said the civil war didn't have to do with slavery at the start, now you are saying it started over slavery but not southern slavery.

Either way, of course it had to do with southern slavery. The south did not secede to make a stand for western slavery. They seceded to protect their own "peculiar institution of slavery." They knew Lincoln was against slavery, the 1860 campaign was largely based on slavery, and that the banning of slavery in new states/territories was the first step toward the banning of slavery nationally.

Moreover, none of this is really up for debate, at least not honest debate. The declarations of secession from the southern states all (or nearly all) specifically identified slavery as the determining factor.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Here is a really good video from the google machine if anyone is interested. It is from a professor of history at West Point....6 minutes long.

 

[R1776U]

This is all about New Jersey ...says the guy with a confederate flag in his signature line.

[pfftt]try to not deviate from my thread.. thank you.. if it offends you, turn off sigs

 

[R1776U]

This is all about New Jersey ...says the guy with a confederate flag in his signature line.

just to note Jersey was the last state to outlaw slavery

 

[WhiteBus]

When people at Rutgers stop doing dumb ass things than I would expect less bitching. But until that happens....

 

[R1776U]

Whether we're from or in NJ or not, we are all here because we are Rutgers fans. And instead of bickering and tearing into each other (as some are already doing above), we should rally around our school, our athletic department and our football team. Let's remember who we are!

BINGO!!!

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

just to note Jersey was the last state to outlaw slavery

I'm not offended...I don't care much about the confederate flag one way or the other. I just think its an odd combo to be touting a New Jersey centric point of view with the huge confederate flag in the sig line. Most pro-NJ people wouldn't have that...its typically more of a southern thing these days.

Not sure what the NJ vote on slavery has to do with it? Even though NJ was the last to vote, I don't think many people would associate New Jersey with the Confederacy.

 

[BoroKnight]

This entire thread is a non-issue. We can't argue about uniforms because writers in Chicago are ripping us? What nonsense.

It's like any other "family." You fight among yourselves all the time, but watch out if someone outside the family takes a shot at one of us.

Same thing here.

The rally around the R spirit I like, however, and hope others follow suit. But it hardly is a reason to not fight about the salmon or any other "trivial" issue.

 

[R1776U]

Most pro-NJ people wouldn't have that...its typically more of a southern thing these days.

not a lot of experience with south JERSEY i assume.. but dude, let's keep this on topic

back to the point

be FOR NEW JERSEY.. not just RUTGERS.. BUT ALL THAT IS NJ!!!!!!! the perception of our state is based on our common attitude .. show some pride!!!!!!!!!!!! R state is basically like he self hating emo kid.. we need to change that.. be the hardcore metal head!!!!!


JERSEY!!!

 

[RU31trap]

Here is a really good video from the google machine if anyone is interested. It is from a professor of history at West Point....6 minutes long.

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Excellent video. Very informative.

 

[rucoe89]

We are all for and with Rutgers. That's about it. NJ isn't behind NJ. Just check with the media.

 

[KJ_RU]

I can't understand why some believe that if you're unhappy with Flood then you're against Rutgers and the state. I'm a proud Rutgers fan and I LOVE New Jersey....and I think Flood deserves to be fired, we can do so much better.

 

[ddsmugs]

Lets play the games and see what happens

 

[KJ_RU]

We have been playing the games, just saying.

 

[RUSONIC]

And this is the problem with Rutgers fans. One guy tries to get us pumped up and rally around the team and two post later we get a group of people complaining about a flag, then slavery and then Flood. And these people are the hard core fans, oh boy it's never going to happen here at Rutgers..its not.

 

[KJ_RU]

You have it right, that is the problem...but you have it totally backwards...someone openly supports hate, slavery, and segregation and happens to be a Rutgers fan. Let's ignore all that and focus on he is a Rutgers fan.

I'm not saying that's the OP's views, just saying that when you openly display your view on a message board then be prepared for what you get.

IMO, Nobody that supports the Confederacy should be sounding a rallying cry, that is the ultimate symbol of division and hate. People say they love the USA but support the people that wanted to destroy it.

The Confederate flag has no respected place in our history, they were traitors. All this discussion about what the Confederacy stood for is irrelevant, the fact is, if the traitors won, then slavery would've continued.

 

[nacorwin]

just to note Jersey was the last state to outlaw slavery

Just a note that the quoted note is false. Mississippi was the last state to outlaw slavery.

I say that assuming that you mean the ratifying of the 13th amendment. If you mean something else, then it is unclear. Of course in 1804 New Jersey did begin the process of abolishing slavery by passing a law that would free the children of slaves. Those that were slaves stayed that way for their life but this began the last generation of slaves.