Flood suspended. 3 games

[coldsprings]

You can read the report here: http://president.rutgers.edu/sites/president/files/Final Report.pdf

The report clearly outlines multiple contacts, an admission by Flood that he used his own email to cover up his violation of policy as well as a direct warning to Flood that he was violating RU policy. Hardly the actions of a man of the highest values.

And before shouting me down with other programs do far worse, read the report and ask if you want RU coaches to behave this way. http://president.rutgers.edu/sites/president/files/Final Report.pdf

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

All coaches in the country are basically being told now never to try to help their players at all anymore in anything.

 

[scarletrat]

before jumping off the ledge, Barchi's letter revealed additional information that at least shows RU is trying to get ahead of this and suspend him

as much I think Flood is in way over his head, if it was just the email, I agree suspension of any kind was (typical RU) overreaction

but he should be thankful he was not fired...I assume if RU wanted to use this as an excuse to fire him, they could have...

now, with this being RU and our recent history, Rice was suspended a number of games the season before he was fired...

 

[mal359]

True. And I hope my expectations about what happens at UNC are wrong.

As do I.

 

[PhDKnight]

Assuming the investigation is correct, Flood is not a very smart man. Why would you meet with a professor and put yourself at such risk over one player? If you are going to try to do things like this wouldn't any intelligent person send an intermediary that would give you plausible deniability? He can't even do wrong the right way .... I was a supporter before. Not so sure now.

 

[dconifer]

Please ignore my comments upthread. I wasn't aware of the part about editing a student's paper. This is pretty bad.

Sorry for talking first and learning second...

 

[RU76]

I was hoping that any punishment would have been limited to a private reprimand. Although a possible violation of university policy, I doubt it was particularly nefarious since the email could be forwarded by its recipient in a heartbeat to university officials. Without us knowing the extent of Flood's knowledge, if any, of players' criminal activity that should not have been considered in assessing the penalty. Regardless, Flood's reputation has been stained and the university damaged. And the local media will be on high alert for anything it can twist into anti-RU propaganda. We always lose the propaganda wars. Although I must say I have enjoyed watching Pernetti blowing his nose in a Ledger and hearing that Herman implied that the SL could go under.

I admit that I clicked on the forbidden article, but to those who didn't please be advised that NJ.COM's investigation revealed that Flood was seen walking down steps 5 minutes after practice was over.

 

[jsol_05]

As a RU Alum, WHAT DID HE DO TO GET SUSPENDED FOR 3 GAMES? There better be detail.

I LIKE KF but the fact that he was told not to contact the professor and he did warrants a suspension. When I said a couple two weeks ago he should be suspended for the NS game some people disagreed but this is what I wanted to avoid a suspension during Big 10 play.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Holy F*ck Flood how stupid are you???

 

[northeastNebraska]

They are probably suspending him now and trying to find a way to fire him with cause so they don't have to pay his buyout.

 

[Dr. Potato]

This is ridiculous.

Even if you don't like the guy as a gameday coach, this is ridiculous.

 

[RUtah]

Assuming the investigation is correct, Flood is not a very smart man. Why would you meet with a professor and put yourself at such risk over one player? If you are going to try to do things like this wouldn't any intelligent person send an intermediary that would give you plausible deniability? He can't even do wrong the right way .... I was a supporter before. Not so sure now.

The guy was always in over his head. They hired a Radio Shack manager to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. And this is what they get for cheaping out like they did instead of hiring someone who knew how to handle running a newly-minted P5 program in a brutal media market.

 

[BoroKnight]

Not only did Flood do something inappropriate, he was told not to do exactly what he did. And a school that likes to crow about taking academics seriously should be a place where the football coach does not try to influence a professor, even if it was a very vague sort of thing. (Hopefully we will know at some point exactly what was in that email.) I love the fact we have higher standards and I don't give a crap about what happens at other schools.

That being said, he didn't deserve to be fired. If we manage a decent year after all of this, then the character we like to think our team has will be obvious and Flood will get the credit for it. If we don't, well, some people here wanted him gone anyway.

My only complaint was that it took so damn long to do this. It really takes this many weeks to read an email, discuss the matter with university counsel and issue a decision? Seriously? Or did they have to beg Barchi to read the email?

 

[lawmatt78]

So Flood clearly violated well-established rules to improperly assist a student who, by the way, had some definite issues and was ultimately kicked off the team due to alleged criminal behavior?

Talk about poor decision-making...

 

[RUhobbit]

Are some of you people insane? Operating under the assumption that the facts here are as presented, then of course he needed to be suspended. As long as college sports operates under the pretense of academics first, then Rutgers has a responsibility to its stakeholders to carry on the charade. Those of you blaming Barchi and Hermann, are frankly, simplistic crybabies. I don't see how this is even controversial. I like Flood, but he made a bonehead move and he's the one, if you're pissed, you should be made at. It's like blaming Flood for whatever it is that Carroo did or didn't do.

Seriously, get a grip.

I'm going to PSU on Saturday and w/all that's going on who knows what to expect. But I don't blame Barchi/Hermann, because I'm not a lunatic.

 

[wheezer]

He edited Barnwells paper. Dude what the hell. He's done. You're looking at possible NCAA sanctions.

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He edited for spelling etc, which was acceptable..... Dud you read the full report.... It says it was ok on two separate
Sections

 

[JPhoboken]

He edited Barnwells paper. Dude what the hell. He's done. You're looking at possible NCAA sanctions.

Slow down, He made a mistake in going to bat for barnwell, and contacting the professor, and is being punished, as far as the editing the paper goes.............

"after reviewing the paper before and after the edits, that the assistance provided by Coach Flood was in line with standard student support offered on campus by student learning centers and did not constitute academic misconduct."

 

[ru8081]

You get what you pay for. I like coach Flood. He is a good man. Before we talk about what other P5 teams do and get away with. Just remind yourself you are talking about institutions that are as prestigious as Rutgers and more. Somehow they don’t have all the f-ups. I know I am talking in generalities but they must pay more for Coaches and administrators from the AD on down. Lesson learned here, pay for competent people. I guarantee you will probably make more money and have less scandal with the right people.

There is a link to Coach Rice. Lack of $$$$$.

 

[Red Hysteria]

So he broke the rule once by e-mailing the professor and then got warned about and then contacted him again? In person? what an idiot.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

They are probably suspending him now and trying to find a way to fire him with cause so they don't have to pay his buyout.

Most likely the case. This is blowing up in the national media now.

 

[MidwestKnights]

As a RU Alum, WHAT DID HE DO TO GET SUSPENDED FOR 3 GAMES? There better be detail.

Oh there is. Check the other thread for the official statement from Barchi. They also released the full report to the public on the RU President's website

 

[wheezer]

He might as well be fired. This season is over.

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I think this could turn out to be a turning point for RU in a good way..... The team will unite, will play hard for their missing coach.....

I would not be shocked if we win two of the three suspension games.....

 

[lawmatt78]

Slow down, He made a mistake in going to bat for barnwell, and contacting the professor, and is being punished, as far as the editing the paper goes.............

"after reviewing the paper before and after the edits, that the assistance provided by Coach Flood was in line with standard student support offered on campus by student learning centers and did not constitute academic misconduct."

Yes, it says that the editing did not violate the rules. Still: why the hell is he editing a player's paper? Bizarre.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

So he broke the rule once by e-mailing the professor and then got warned about and then contacted him again? In person? what an idiot.

You also forgot the part where he edited the student's paper and offered some suggestions. I called him a bonehead after the game, but now, I think the term "bonehead" is giving him too much credit. smh

 

[dconifer]

It's just astounding to me that the player he (Flood) tried to help, thus sinking himself (Flood), was already a lost cause because of the crimes he (Barnwell) committed...

 

[MidwestKnights]

Need to see more details to determine if this is fair or not.

Most annoying thing is the lack of any quotes from Barchi and/or Hermann. Need to know who's leading this ship.

Barchi talked with Sargent 15 minutes after he suspended Flood.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...s_coach.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

 

[PhDKnight]

What other P5 football coach would spend 1 second editing one players papers? That is the type of sh#t an assistant HS coach does. Dude is in way over his head.

 

[PSU_Nut]

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I think this could turn out to be a turning point for RU in a good way..... The team will unite, will play hard for their missing coach.....

I would not be shocked if we win two of the three suspension games.....

Or it can just as easily go the opposite direction and the wheels fall off. Emotions only go so far.

 

[JPhoboken]

At any other school, this may have been a 1 game suspension if it came to light. At most other schools, it probably wouldn't even have come to light. Do you think FLood is the only coach to contact a professor?

I am not a huge supporter of Barchi as everyone knows, but he had to do something. One game would have been appropriate, IMO, not three. Remember, as far as I know, he did not try to change a grade with this communication.

Maybe someone could find out what some other coaches who received 3 game suspensions have done, I bet its a lot more than communicating with a professor about a student.

 

[dconifer]

What other P5 football coach would spend 1 second editing one players papers? That is the type of sh#t an assistant HS coach does. Dude is in way over his head.

I don't mean to pile on. I like Flood and feel bad for him. But it seems odd that he's so dialed in to Barnwell that he's editing his papers, but yet isn't really on top of what is about to happen as a result of what Barnwell did five months ago.

 

[sct1111]

Why is he trying to edit his players papers? I don't care if they ruled that it was 'ok'. What the hell is Flood doing? I used to support him but not anymore. He needs to go.

 

[northeastNebraska]

Most likely the case. This is blowing up in the national media now.

I'm a fan of you guys since you joined the B1G. But man you guys have been getting raked over the coals nationally. Even here in Nebraska.

You have to get rid of Flood (and Herman). He reminds me of Bo Pelini during his time at Nebraska. Beats the bad teams, gets worked by the good teams. 50% of the fans love him, and 50% of the fans are over it and want something fresh.

Believe me, starting fresh isn't the worst thing in the world. Nebraska has fallen in love with Riley, even if he goes 8-4, Nebraska fans are happy for change.

 

[wheezer]

Or it can just as easily go the opposite direction and the wheels fall off. Emotions only go so far.

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And you are absolutely right..... We do know the players love the coach, let's see what happens.... I think they are not going to let down, if they would have won the two games, they still will

 

[DHajekRC84]

What other P5 football coach would spend 1 second editing one players papers? That is the type of sh#t an assistant HS coach does. Dude is in way over his head.

There remains too much Mickey Mouse at Rutgers. Was Disneyland originally planned for Piscataway before deciding on Orlando?

 

[bac2therac]

This is ridiculous.

Even if you don't like the guy as a gameday coach, this is ridiculous.

No its not ridiculous...he violated the policy and disobeyed when told not to contact..he is lucky that he wasnt fired.

 

[Rnation]

he broke the rules and he is paying the price. really dumb move by Flood.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Wow. It's hard to believe Flood blatantly ignored being told multiple times not to have contact with the professor. At first, I thought this was a matter of emailing to ask if Barnwell could do anything to improve his grade. This goes far beyond that. The suspension is perfectly justified IMO and I would be surprised if Flood is still our coach headed into spring ball.

 

[jlariv9]

Why is he trying to edit his players papers? I don't care if they ruled that it was 'ok'. What the hell is Flood doing? I used to support him but not anymore. He needs to go.

Aha...editing papers! Now we know what he is scribbling down on his clipboard during games!

 

[SHUSource]

If you're just a fan of Rutgers football, you probably feel pretty put out right now.

But if you went to school there and graduated and value the academic integrity the Univeristy touts, then you should feel pretty good about the way Rutgers handled this. What Flood did is very serious and casts the football program in a terrible light. Do you enjoy touting those top-ten APR standings and graduation rates? Because if it looks like the head football coach has an influence over players' grades, those mean nothing at all.

The fact that Rutgers has this policy in place is good. It shows they value the right of instructors to conduct classes and evaluate students free of interference. Would this kind of penalty occur elsewhere? Not everywhere; not at UNC, which surrendered all claims to academic integrity once no real punishment was issues there. But Rutgers policed itself, took the charge seriously, and suspended a highly visible employee who was clearly, obviously wrong. You should be proud of the response, which showed a lot of integrity. I'm impressed.

 

[Knight Ed]

I'm OK with the suspension. He knowingly broke the rules to try and get his player who repeatedly fails eligible. Barnwell ignored the "student" part of student athlete and Flood wanted him eligible anyway.