Flood suspended. 3 games

[JPhoboken]

Yes, it says that the editing did not violate the rules. Still: why the hell is he editing a player's paper? Bizarre.

Good question, why isn't academic support doing this? But although Flood made a mistake in communicating with the professor and is being punished for it, I can't kill him for trying to help a player get a paper in. Although I am sure he will never do it again and is kicking himself in light of what Barnwell did.

 

[WhiteBus]

Wow. It's hard to believe Flood blatantly ignored being told multiple times not to have contact with the professor. At first, I thought this was a matter of emailing to ask if Barnwell could do anything to improve his grade. This goes far beyond that. The suspension is perfectly justified IMO and I would be surprised if Flood is still our coach headed into spring ball.

Yes, the facts are disturbing to say the least. A big black eye on the school and him. He's lucky it's not more and still has a job.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

There remains too much Mickey Mouse at Rutgers. Was Disneyland originally planned for Piscataway before deciding on Orlando?

Disneyland is in Anaheim. Disney World is in Orlando.

 

[RUInsanity]

RU once again shoots RU in the foot when it comes to negative media attention. Suspending him almost immediately after the Carroo arrests just keeps the negative story pipeline going. The media just loves a great train wreck. The investigation should have been completed prior to the start of the season and Flood should have been suspended going in to the NSU game for between 1-3 games. It would have all been rolled into the media stories on the arrests and by now would have died down instead of perpetuating the negative attention yet another week.

To me this sounds like a pre-cursor to Flood's dismissal. For those that have always wanted the guy gone - you may now get your wish. A very good Recruiting class will dissolve and potentially another coach on the cheap as RU may struggle with funding the next HC and Staff.

As for interim coach - I would attempt to lure the Fridge out of his armchair for a short term run.

 

[kennyschiano]

If you're just a fan of Rutgers football, you probably feel pretty put out right now.

But if you went to school there and graduated and value the academic integrity the Univeristy touts, then you should feel pretty good about the way Rutgers handled this. What Flood did is very serious and casts the football program in a terrible light. Do you enjoy touting those top-ten APR standings and graduation rates? Because if it looks like the head football coach has an influence over players' grades, those mean nothing at all.

The fact that Rutgers has this policy in place is good. It shows they value the right of instructors to conduct classes and evaluate students free of interference. Would this kind of penalty occur elsewhere? Not everywhere; not at UNC, which surrendered all claims to academic integrity once no real punishment was issues there. But Rutgers policed itself, took the charge seriously, and suspended a highly visible employee who was clearly, obviously wrong. You should be proud of the response, which showed a lot of integrity. I'm impressed.

WINNER

 

[DHajekRC84]

Disneyland is in Anaheim. Disney World is in Orlando.

never been to either..knew I'd get that wrong. Thanks for the edit Coach Flood. :fistbump:

 

[bac2therac]

Wow. It's hard to believe Flood blatantly ignored being told multiple times not to have contact with the professor. At first, I thought this was a matter of emailing to ask if Barnwell could do anything to improve his grade. This goes far beyond that. The suspension is perfectly justified IMO and I would be surprised if Flood is still our coach headed into spring ball.

that fact that it was such a bad apple in Barnwelll is disturbing to me and an incredibly poor judgment by Flood....for those crying about this and slamming Barchi you need only to know that Flood brought this upon himself...the school had to do something given the pressure and quite frankly the policy breaking

in the end it will doom him because they team is likely headed to a 4-8 finish.

 

[TM514]

I've changed my opinion after reading full report. I cant believe he actually drove to Princeton in "plain clothes" to meet the professor in person. What an idiot. 3 games maybe warranted then.

 

[bitnez]

can we revisit that "do you support KF" thread now.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Good question, why isn't academic support doing this? But although Flood made a mistake in communicating with the professor and is being punished for it, I can't kill him for trying to help a player get a paper in. Although I am sure he will never do it again and is kicking himself in light of what Barnwell did.

Never do it again?

As we speak, university counsel is figuring out how to fire him for cause.

Secret meetings a dozen miles from campus? I didn't wear my R polo shirt so no one would recognize me? Mentioning actions taken to avoid OPRA requests to staffers?

What a dolt

and 8 hours ago I was defending the guy.

 

[duda]

the question I ask, is if this was Flood's only current problem, and none of the off field mayhem was going on, would this have been swept under the rug, would he have received a lesser penalty or would have still received the three games?

Comparable in my mind in a way that Goddell handled the penalty portion of delategate. He overpunished Brady, because he was under so much scrutiny for going soft on previous crimes.

Did the negative noise around the program increase his penalty?

For those arguing that this is overblown because he acted within normal school academic assistance, in my opinion you are missing the point. If he was helping a kid in good academic standing, that would be one thing. However on this, he was clearly trying to help a kid who was not academically eligible become academically eligible so that he could play on the team. Huge difference.

 

[ArminRU]

Can someone summarize what exactly he did according to the reports?

 

[PaKnight]

He edited the freaking paper!!!!

This was not an issue.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

I bit the bullet and went to you know where:

PISCATAWAY — Kyle Flood has been suspended for three games as Rutgers football coach and fined $50,000 following a university-led investigation into rules violations and amid a recent string of off-field transgressions involving players on his team, NJ Advance Media has learned from people with knowledge of the investigation.

I am sure it purely inadvertent that they mashed this together in a way that allows it to seem that the suspension was somehow connected to the off-field transgressions.

There are moments where it seems that the only question left is - which one of the NJ Advance twits is going try to grab personal glory by just flat out going over the top & trashing Flood and launching a full scale assault on his integrity - making him unemployable & totally destroying a decent man's life.

 

[alphapapa]

that fact that it was such a bad apple in Barnwelll is disturbing to me and an incredibly poor judgment by Flood....for those crying about this and slamming Barchi you need only to know that Flood brought this upon himself...the school had to do something given the pressure and quite frankly the policy breaking

in the end it will doom him because they team is likely headed to a 4-8 finish.

This was pure desperation on Flood's part - trying to get barnwell qualified even though he had no legit shot at it reeks of plain desperation. Not to mention the LE issues surrounding the players - it's hard not to hear whispers when you're a HC of a college FB program.

 

[DHajekRC84]

I've changed my opinion after reading full report. I cant believe he actually drove to Princeton in "plain clothes" to meet the professor in person. What an idiot. 3 games maybe warranted then.

surprised he didn't take the NJ Transit bus that runs down Rt 27 from New Brunswick to Palmer Sq. wearing sunglasses and a dark hoodie.

 

[TheRacRU]

Can someone summarize what exactly he did according to the reports?

>Flood contacts professor
>"Kyle, don't contact the professor again"
>Flood sets up an in-person meeting
>Floods notebook is for peer reviewing expos papers

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

100% the correct move. Especially in light of the recent arrests and all the negative publicity that that continues to bring. We had been known for our APR and integrity. This move has no downside in the big picture and is very smart for that big picture. Those who talk about having "ba--s" and "standing behind your coach" are not thinking of the key issues (i) maintaining the integrity and reputation of RU - the single most important issue and (b) relatedly, maintaining the positive perception of RU as an institution. People who are evaluating institutions as recruit, donors, regulators, etc. don't care an iota about the macho claptrap about "having someone's back", they care about the integrity of the institution and how it handles the adversity that all institutions face from time to time. Well done, RU.

 

[JPhoboken]

RU once again shoots RU in the foot when it comes to negative media attention. Suspending him almost immediately after the Carroo arrests just keeps the negative story pipeline going. The media just loves a great train wreck. The investigation should have been completed prior to the start of the season and Flood should have been suspended going in to the NSU game for between 1-3 games. It would have all been rolled into the media stories on the arrests and by now would have died down instead of perpetuating the negative attention yet another week.

To me this sounds like a pre-cursor to Flood's dismissal. For those that have always wanted the guy gone - you may now get your wish. A very good Recruiting class will dissolve and potentially another coach on the cheap as RU may struggle with funding the next HC and Staff.

As for interim coach - I would attempt to lure the Fridge out of his armchair for a short term run.

Don't see it happening. Ralph doesn't want to work full time and he probably isn't too enamored with RU right now after suspending Flood 3 games. He supports Flood.

 

[ClassOf02]

Don't see it happening. Ralph doesn't want to work full time and he probably isn't too enamored with RU right now after suspending Flood 3 games. He supports Flood.

So did I until this absurd report. Ralph is probably scratching his head like the rest of us right now about Flood's decision making.

 

[JPhoboken]

Never do it again?

As we speak, university counsel is figuring out how to fire him for cause.

Secret meetings a dozen miles from campus? I didn't wear my R polo shirt so no one would recognize me? Mentioning actions taken to avoid OPRA requests to staffers?

What a dolt

and 8 hours ago I was defending the guy.

The never do it again part was about helping a player edit a paper. The other stuff, he obviously should have never done in the first place.

 

[OldManRiver]

surprised he didn't take the NJ Transit bus that runs down Rt 27 from New Brunswick to Palmer Sq. wearing sunglasses and a dark hoodie.

Should have met him at Subway instead

 

[RUBand]

Probably the beginning of the end for him...

With cause, which means no buyout, correct?

 

[ArminRU]

Just read the Barchi summary. I dunno what to think. On one hand I feel like he's just acting like a supportive parent, but on the other, how the hell does he have time to do this crap? I know it's summer so he probably had some time to, but shouldn't he be on the recruiting trial or something?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

The never do it again part was about helping a player edit a paper. The other stuff, he obviously should have never done in the first place.

I wasn't trying to be a dick to your post. I'm just saying, I don't think he gets the chance to "do it again."

Knowing our administration, I don't see how he survives.

And his paper trail gives them a very good case for firing him for cause.

 

[RUTGERSCHEWY]

If he got involved with writing a kids paper, whatever you want to call it, editing, revising, editorial suggestions, he should he fired. It is clear he doesn't know the lines. he was also told not to contact a professor and he did anyway. This is not the guy you want to be leading our football program.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

never been to either..knew I'd get that wrong. Thanks for the edit Coach Flood. :fistbump:

Don't ever insult my intelligence like that ever again.

 

[Rufaninga]

Why is flood editing??? Don't we provide tutors and support team for assisting players?

 

[toby83]

mike Francesa right now

 

[RU at the shore]

We continue to be so small time . Why did we bother joining the BIG ?

 

[jvdavy]

Report doesn't seem to link anymore, but if you read it you can see how stupid Flood is. The kid wasn't eligible and Flood went far out of his way (probably thinking he was sincerely trying to help the player) and it seemed like after they met he had the professor ready to change his grade but the professor thought too long of a time had passed to be able to do it and that he wouldn't know how to get it changed procedurally. Now Flood thought that b/c he would have Barnwell do extra work during football time that would make it okay - but this was months after the grades were posted. Flood then mentions this to Academic Advisor (#1 I believe) that "between us how does the professor process the grade change" or something like that and the advisor is dumbfounded by the whole thing and tell the coach how he is basically getting himself fired by treading into this territory and that he has been trained and told to know better.

I liked Flood and had no problem w/ him as the coach, but this is very dumb and compounded 1000x by Barnwell then being one of the players in this whole criminal conspiracy they had going. Doubt Flood survives. For some reason i think we win this weekend and then history will show that of RU coaches, the only 2 to ever beat PSU will be Dick Anderson and some guy who had a 3 game career.

Always an adventure in futility being an RU fan and alum!

 

[JPhoboken]

I wasn't trying to be a dick to your post. I'm just saying, I don't think he gets the chance to "do it again."

Knowing our administration, I don't see how he survives.

And his paper trail gives them a very good case for firing him for cause.

No offense taken, we are all frustrated and pissed this happened. There is an article up about What options were discussed at the BOG meeting and with other officials. Barchi said firing was on the table, but choose not to and thought what he did was appropriate. Unless they bring up new charges, looks like Flood will survive. But since this is Rutgers, you never know, they could always fire him at the end of the year without cause depending on the w-l record.

 

[jsol_05]

Why????

Will be very hard for KF to keep his job, agents will be sniffing around for their clients to see if there is interest.

 

[rutgersdave]

I basically though the administration was stalling during the summer since they wanted the season tickets sold. I was one of the first that said they were building a case. The problem is that next few years will be worse because of the recruiting . They will get a new coach before the season starts to give the fans hope for next season and get those season tickets sold. Herman doing exactly like she need to save the program.

 

[iReC89]

The BOG and president have reviewed the same report the media will hawk over and issued a decision. If the heat that follows demands more of a response, the pressure is ultimately on Barchi. This decision is above Hermann's pay grade. Its not the email, its the sneaking around that could ratchet up the issue, although I think the private email thing is at epidemic levels. I think action was necessary, and I hope Flood is back in 4 games.

 

[Mr Magoo]

don't like Flood as a coach at all but this makes no sense. However, I did expect it

 

[zgoru]

After reading a portion of the official report, let me say this. That was not a professor having any financial difficulties. A 2 week vacation in Europe?

 

[Mr Magoo]

don't like Flood as a coach at all but this makes no sense. However, I did expect it

I spoke too soon. I just read the report and I don't think Flood has a snowballs chance in hell of keeping his job.. Next.

 

[ruready07]

Please ignore my comments upthread. I wasn't aware of the part about editing a student's paper. This is pretty bad.

Sorry for talking first and learning second...

So you're pissed about the only thing he didn't get in trouble for? Proofreading the paper and making corrections is what friends, coaches, parents, advisors and professors do for students all the time.

Anyway, time to move on. He'll serve his stupid suspension and we'll be fine

 

[suggakane]

You also forgot the part where he edited the student's paper and offered some suggestions. I called him a bonehead after the game, but now, I think the term "bonehead" is giving him too much credit. smh

"after reviewing the paper before and after the edits, that the assistance provided by Coach Flood was in line with standard student support offered on campus by student learning centers and did not constitute academic misconduct."