Foreman Transferring

[NickKnight 1]

Isn't this how it works, everyone is so understanding that
it has to take years, when our rookies are seniors 4 years
has gone by. When 2nd year rookies become seniors 5 years
has gone by. So it takes more patients then we have sometimes.:grimace:

 

[rudad02]

I liked Foreman. Sorry to see him go.

 

[shields]

Foreman was interesting but a good example of our program. missed layups and missed foul shots.

 

[RU_kidding_me]

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The part that annoys me, and this happens every time after a coach is gone, we NEVER see these reports while they're here and as fans have no way to truly evaluate what is going on with the building of the program. I love Jerry Carino but the only real press reports of the "laziness" of the recruiting was the one ZagsBlog article a few months ago. However, those of us that attended the Court Club meetings could get a sense of Jordan's lack of involvement by the way he answered questions about how the recruiting process works.

Lazy reporting of a Lazy coach. But honestly, a program entrenched in such a miserable run and at the heigh of irrelevancy does not warrant any more attention than it got. Aside from those on this board, people just don't care anymore about Rutgers basketball. For the longest time the university administration did not care either, but looks like that may have finally changed for whatever reason. Fingers crossed!!

 

[RutgersMO]

Per jon rothstein

No Matter how you spin it....this sucks.

Hope Corey can be CONVERTED to come back for another year.

Stevie P. has his work cut out for him.

Here's hoping we get LUCKY!

MO

 

[soundcrib]

Foreman was interesting but a good example of our program. missed layups and missed foul shots.

I think he would've received better coaching under this staff. There's ability there.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Foreman was interesting but a good example of our program. missed layups and missed foul shots.

again, not to bash, but, he had very bad lateral quickness.

Actually, I think he would have been much better in an uptempo offense.....just could not finish in the lane on a consistent basis, lots of wild shots thrown towards the basket.

 

[playorbplayd]

Isn't this how it works, everyone is so understanding that
it has to take years, when our rookies are seniors 4 years
has gone by. When 2nd year rookies become seniors 5 years
has gone by. So it takes more patients then we have sometimes.:grimace:

There has to be improvement from year to year though.

Never expect a player to be complete by his sophomore or junior year, but there needs to be development in at least a couple areas of his game.

Sometimes all it takes is game experience to develop, more often than not it's coaches/players figuring out how to minimize the players weaknesses while maximizing their strengths.

Foreman missed a ton of bunnies, but more times than not it just seemed like he was rushing the shot or the put back. Kid played reckless (in a good way), would throw his body around like crazy.

Solid example of a kid that needed to be coached and taught to harness/develop his abilities. Would've liked to see what he became by his senior year at Rutgers under the new regime.

 

[LC-88]

We really need to start getting and developing 4 year players.

and 4 year coaches.

 

[shields]

I liked Foreman and thought he needed to get in weight room.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I think its important that Shoes returns..

Band-Aid! Short term thinking.

 

[RutgHoops]

I wonder how many people ITT thread brushing off the transfers as no big deal will be blasting Pikell next February...

Probably a bunch. Just the way it is unfortunately.

There is a prevailing, misguided opinion on this board "that it is easy to turn around a basketball team. All you need are one or two really good players". Yet, we'll turn on the FF this weekend and see Villanova's 6th man is a four star Top 100 Sophomore who had 20+ offers. Or see that their 7th man is a four star Top 100 freshman. Or that Syracuse's 6th man is a 6'8 four star frosh who had 20+ offers. Heck, Seton Hall's 6th man was a Senior who averaged 30 minutes and 10/5/3 last year at UMass.

It will take a while here at Rutgers, three or four years at least, before Coach Pikiell will have a team that can be competitive in the B1G.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Band-Aid! Short term thinking.

Yawn

 

[ColonelRutgers]

The "telling quote" above... who said it? Foreman or someone else?

Yeah, exactly, I thought we'd find out in the subsequent article, but...nothing. C'mon, Jerry, what the hell? Sloppy.

 

[Skull83]

I would have liked to see Foreman stay, and I hope Sanders stays, but I've been a season ticket holder for a couple of decades and to badly paraphrase the Trammps - it's time to burn the mother down! I have confidence in our new Head Coach and Associate Head Coach. I will be patient while they do what they need to do.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I wonder how many people ITT thread brushing off the transfers as no big deal will be blasting Pikell next February...

Why? We had people on this board arguing that THIS YEAR was actually Jordan's first year because of what he inherited..

 

[_dave_]

Need to keep Thiam, wish we had some info on this kid.

I'm ok with nobody calling him to get info. "Are you really still going to Rutgers?" just puts it in his head that perhaps he shouldn't. Just look at how football recruiting turned into a feeding frenzy with everyone asking the football recruits a couple of seasons ago and more and more jumped ship.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Fine. I am suddenly okay with anyone transferring. Just want Pikiell to have full control. I trust he will do the right thing.

I agree 100%! Unfortunately there is one more transfer and another mulling over the possibility of transferring. Not sure why it hasn't been announced.

Just heard one of the recruits is looking above at other programs....not good!

 

[knights1212]

I am sorry to see Foreman leave. I think he had some upside and that he probably would have done better under our new staff. It is too bad he didn't give them a chance.

 

[playorbplayd]

Why? We had people on this board arguing that THIS YEAR was actually Jordan's first year because of what he inherited..

He had a solid roster his first season, in the AAC nonetheless.

Not sure why people think he was left with nothing after Mike Rice.

Kone
Seagers
Okoro
Mack
Etou
Jack
Brown
Zurich
Hyde
Batie
Judge
Lewis
Moore
Campbell

No excuse for that roster going 5-13 in the American. Didn't have an issue with it at the time since it was his first season, but looking back...damn man.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Blame it on the head coach!

 

[knights1212]

I would not be surprised if Foreman winds up at Iona (Transfer U).

 

[mikefla]

I had hoped Sanders, williams & forman would stay. I will be surprised if they do now now that Forman is gone

That said>>>our new coach is perfectly capable of recruiting replacements,,,,,Sanders is the only one that will be hard to replace

Clean slate>>>>>Pikeill will do better than EJ.....no matter what.....

 

[ColonelRutgers]

He had a solid roster his first season, in the AAC nonetheless.

Not sure why people think he was left with nothing after Mike Rice.

Kone
Seagers
Okoro
Mack
Etou
Jack
Brown
Zurich
Hyde
Batie
Judge
Lewis
Moore
Campbell

No excuse for that roster going 5-13 in the American. Didn't have an issue with it at the time since it was his first season, but looking back...damn man.

I agree. It's a fallacy he was left with nothing. It looked bleak at the beginning but he had enough players to keep it under 60 against Louisville in the AAC Tournament.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

See ya'. Next.

 

[playorbplayd]

I agree. It's a fallacy he was left with nothing. It looked bleak at the beginning but he had enough players to keep it under 60 against Louisville in the AAC Tournament.

Team had an OOC SOS of 311 on KenPom

Lost to:

UAB (156)
Drexel (134)
William & Mary (165)
FDU (280)
GW (47)
Seton Hall (98)
Princeton (101)

time to move on, just had to get that out of the way for those who think Eddie didn't get a fair shot here.

 

[RutgHoops]

He had a solid roster his first season, in the AAC nonetheless.

Not sure why people think he was left with nothing after Mike Rice.

Kone
Seagers
Okoro
Mack
Etou
Jack
Brown
Zurich
Hyde
Batie
Judge
Lewis
Moore
Campbell

No excuse for that roster going 5-13 in the American. Didn't have an issue with it at the time since it was his first season, but looking back...damn man.

I am assuming this is a joke, right?

You listed 3 walk-ons, two guys who averaged zero f--ks given per game (Seagears and Moore), one guy who transferred down to the d-2 level (campbell), one guy who went to Kent State and averaged 1 point per game (Brown), and one guy who transferred to Norfolk State (Okoro).

That team is quite possibly the least talented team I have watched since following Rutgers basketball (1989). And that includes this past years disaster.

Look, I clearly overrated Jordan's ability as a college basketball HC, but he inherited an absolute mess of a roster. Pikiell seems he will be in a similar situation unfortunately.

 

[SAE96]

This is just a peak behind the curtain of a terribly run program. He is a big loss for our team but not for a real program. His game wasn't developing and in the B10 he'd barely be a 6 minute a game backup 3.

I've been split on whether this needs a full tear down or if there were peices we could work with to get to .500 by year three. The more I hear about the lack of work and dedication of the old staff, this program probably needs a complete remake beginning with the culture. That means, for the most part, a new group of kids with a different attitude regarding academics, practice, and winning.

This will be a longer rebuilding project than I expected. I hope people stay patient. Coach Pike and AD Hobbs strike me as the right people to be leading this effort.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

BTW...never a HUGE fan of any player still playing in lowtops... LOL

(although I did like the kid but a bit)

 

[playorbplayd]

I am assuming this is a joke, right?

You listed 3 walk-ons, two guys who averaged zero f--ks given per game, one guy who transferred down to the d-2 level (campbell), one guy who went to Kent State and averaged 1 point per game (Brown), and one guy who transferred to Norfolk State (Okoro).

That team is quite possibly the least talented, most dysfunctional team I have watched since following Rutgers basketball (1989).

Look, I clearly overrated Jordan's ability as a college basketball HC, but he inherited an absolute mess of a roster. Pikiell seems he will be in a similar situation unfortunately.

hah.

Jack was invited to NBA camps
Mack was a winner before this place
Seagers was good enough to start for UNLV
See what Etou turns into at Tulsa
Moore was a capable fill in player

That was a team with enough talent to not look overmatched in out of conference and in conference in the AAC. They got 0 coaching, and none of them developed.

That roster may have had more pieces than next year will, and next year will be in the B1G.

 

[RUsojo]

Coaches need full rosters. Any more transfers would not be good. I believe this is the last of it.

 

[RutgHoops]

hah.

Jack was invited to NBA camps
Mack was a winner before this place
Seagers was good enough to start for UNLV
See what Etou turns into at Tulsa
Moore was a capable fill in player

That was a team with enough talent to not look overmatched in out of conference and in conference in the AAC. They got 0 coaching, and none of them developed.

That roster may have had more pieces than next year will, and next year will be in the B1G.

Jack averaged under 6 ppg before Eddie walked in the door. Does he get any credit for his development?
Having to play Seagears major minutes resulted in Dave Rice getting canned at UNLV (hint: he doesn't play ANY defense and was all about "getting his".)
Moore was awful. Absolutely awful. There is a reason a Top 100 kid never played big minutes in three years at Pitt. We found out why (hint: he doesn't play any defense and was all about "getting his").
Etou and Mack were solid.

That team was picked in the preseason dead last in the AAC. Behind both UCF AND USF. For a good reason.

Eddie was not good here. No need to make stuff up to prove it. 2015-16 season was quite enough.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I am assuming this is a joke, right?

You listed 3 walk-ons, two guys who averaged zero f--ks given per game (Seagears and Moore), one guy who transferred down to the d-2 level (campbell), one guy who went to Kent State and averaged 1 point per game (Brown), and one guy who transferred to Norfolk State (Okoro).

That team is quite possibly the least talented team I have watched since following Rutgers basketball (1989). And that includes this past years disaster.

Look, I clearly overrated Jordan's ability as a college basketball HC, but he inherited an absolute mess of a roster. Pikiell seems he will be in a similar situation unfortunately.

Guess you don't remember the roster Mike Rice inherited from Hill. Now, THAT was a bad roster.

 

[soundcrib]

#PikiellEra

 

[Mr Magoo]

Why? We had people on this board arguing that THIS YEAR was actually Jordan's first year because of what he inherited..

LOL.. those were classic.

 

[playorbplayd]

Jack averaged under 6 ppg before Eddie walked in the door. Does he get any credit for his development?
Having to play Seagears major minutes resulted in Dave Rice getting canned at UNLV
Moore was awful. Absolutely awful. There is a reason a Top 100 kid never played big minutes in three years at Pitt. We found out why.
Etou and Mack were solid.

That team was picked in the preseason dead last in the AAC. For a reason.

Eddie was not good here. No need to make stuff up to prove it. 2015-16 season was quite enough.

Jack played 45% of the teams minutes the year prior, 71% Eddie's first year.

Dave Rice was fired because the boosters paid for the big boys to attend and he did nothing with the talent they gave him.

Moore made 54% of his 2's and shot 77% from the line (his 3 ball killed them, 2nd most attempts)

That team was awful defensively, and I mean awful.

 

[Mr Magoo]

I would not be surprised if Foreman winds up at Iona (Transfer U).

only if he commits a crime first.

 

[Underdogs88]

yes, but read the next sentence:

More key departures are possible in the coming weeks. Ace freshman point guard Corey Sanders announced Thursday that he will test the NBA waters, but people around the program believe he will return.

Thats good news. Hopefully, Sanders comes back.

 

[BlockR]

Band-Aid! Short term thinking.

not unless you want to lose more players and only recruit alledgedly signing on April 12

 

[RutgHoops]

Guess you don't remember the roster Mike Rice inherited from Hill. Now, THAT was a bad roster.

I'll take Jonathan Mitchell, Miller, Biruta, Coburn, Beatty, Austin Johnson and Poole over the pile of dreck Eddie got.

I think Mitchell is in my Top 6 Rutgers players in the last 20 years. (Douby, Hughes, Billet, Mack, Mitchell, Farmer would be my 6 in order).