Foreman Transferring

[RutgHoops]

Well, I don't know. That's why I'm confused here. Seems that Foreman is in a pretty good spot at RU and I don't understand the rationale from his perspective for wanting to transfer. Might it be the case that he's been told his future isn't bright at RU? I don't know. Just trying to sort out this decision.

Kids come to a school to play for the HC and staff that recruit(ed) them. May not be right or smart, but it is what it is. Foreman (and others) are "feeling the love" from other staffs now. And that courting and pursuit is enticing to kids and their advisors. Think of our roster and recruits as a bunch of free agents. Some may stay and others won't.

And this has nothing to do with what Coach Pikiell is or isn't doing. Coaching changes lead to roster turnover. And when the roster was/is in a condition the Rutgers roster was/is in simply means the longer the rebuild will take.

 

[RC85]

I thought Foreman could be a significant contributor on this team with the right coaching-sorry to see him go. Maybe he saw his PT going down with a healthy Freeman returning and hopefully Thiam coming in.

Agreed Foreman's minutes were likely to go down-hopefully Doorson is healthy too.

 

[MusicFreaks]

When I first read that quote this morning, my stomach hit the floor. And that takes a lot since I have quite a bit in the mid section. I'm sorry that Foreman transferred. Thought he was an ok player that always played his best. Just wish Eddie had actually earned his paycheck!!!

 

[MADHAT1]

Jerry Carino ‎@NJHoopsHaven
Telling quote regarding Foreman's departure: "When the head coach doesn't do a lot of recruiting ,the kids become attached to assistants."--------
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The "telling quote" above... who said it? Foreman or someone else?

I would like to know that .
If Carino is the one that thinks that, he shouldn't imply Foreman said it or he should make it clear, that's what Foreman said or name the person who said it.
Poor communication by Carino and he needs to clarify that tweet

 

[MADHAT1]

He had a solid roster his first season, in the AAC nonetheless.

Not sure why people think he was left with nothing after Mike Rice.

Kone
Seagers
Okoro
Mack
Etou
Jack
Brown
Zurich
Hyde
Batie
Judge
Lewis
Moore
Campbell

No excuse for that roster going 5-13 in the American. Didn't have an issue with it at the time since it was his first season, but looking back...damn man.

No excuse for the record, but that was a flawed line-up and not as good as people are trying to make it look like.

 

[jerzeyguy]

Not mad at Foreman. Transferring and sitting out a year could be good for him. Gives him an extra time to grow his game

 

[bethlehemfan]

Who cares. Really. Good luck to the young man.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Who cares. Really. Good luck to the young man.

I can't believe this is a 5-page thread. SMH.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

And yet despite bringing in five (5) Rivals Top 150 players (Mack, Jack, Seagears, Randall, Lewis) plus Eli Carter and retaining Biruta, Miller , Poole, etc. Rice never had a better team than those no talent jamokes he coached that first year. Strange, no?

You see it never shocks me when upperclassmen dominated teams with talent (yes talent) and good coaching play to the level or even exceed the level of their "ability". Mitchell, Coburn and Beatty were all Seniors. That works in CBB. Unfortunately in the last decade and a half the only teams we can say that about are our NIT finals team, Douby's final season and that Rice first year. Shouldn't be a shock those were also our three best teams this century.

A great challenge a new head coach from a low/mid major will have is dealing with the P5 ego players. Rice's 1st team was lacking ego and had a mid major feel. When he stocked the team with P5 ego/P5 talent his ability to coach them decline precipitously.

Back to the other arguement....I am not so sure Rice was left with that much more. That 1st season was a heck of a coaching job. Mitchell had a GREAT season. He was a flawed player...at least coming in to that season

 

[Scarlet Shack]

This got to five pages?

Did people forget that he was a tweener forward and freeman and Laurent were going to get 26-27 mpg and he was going to have to fight it out to be the third forward with thiam

Keep everyone else intact and we are solid next year with a 8 man rotation

Three guards....sanders, Johnson and Williams

Three forwards...Laurent, freeman and thiam

Centers...Diallo and Doorson

Depth in the back court/wing...bullock and troop

Depth in front court...none

We could use another player up front to replace foreman for depth up front...but that person is a 10mpg, tops, next year of the roster stays in tact

Losing your 9th guy in foreman and your 12th guy in Goode is normal attrition...

Key is NO MORE loses

 

[RUJMM78]

Where do you have shields, Herve and Webb?

Rob Hodgeson was better than Mitchell or Farmer.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Rob Hodgeson was better than Mitchell or Farmer.

Farmer was an okay player but, honestly I don't think he'd be in my Top 60 no less Top 6. I'd give up a limb for a Rob Hodgson right now.

 

[RUChoppin]

Give the 2010-11 roster to EJ, and give the 2013-14 roster to Rice, and would you expect the same record in either year?

The 2010-11 played very strong defense, allowing 65.7 ppg (coming off of 71.7 the prior year).... that's the last time we've held teams that low (though Rice hit 65.8 in his second year). Before that, you need to go back to the 2005-06 NIT year (65.0). In EJ's first year, we gave up 76.2 (66.2 the prior year).

Rice was much better equipped to come in, year one, and get immediate results on defense (though we can't forget that he largely did it by intimidation in practice that first year, which ultimately led to his firing)

I'm hoping Pikiell gets us back down into the 60s on defense again. This year we gave up 80.3 ppg (EJ's average while at RU was 74.6).

 

[jtung230]

This got to five pages?

Did people forget that he was a tweener forward and freeman and Laurent were going to get 26-27 mpg and he was going to have to fight it out to be the third forward with thiam

Keep everyone else intact and we are solid next year with a 8 man rotation

Three guards....sanders, Johnson and Williams

Three forwards...Laurent, freeman and thiam

Centers...Diallo and Doorson

Depth in the back court/wing...bullock and troop

Depth in front court...none

We could use another player up front to replace foreman for depth up front...but that person is a 10mpg, tops, next year of the roster stays in tact

Losing your 9th guy in foreman and your 12th guy in Goode is normal attrition...

Key is NO MORE loses

Laurent is a tweener. Foreman is a true forward. We lacked size last year. He will be missed.

 

[zebnatto]

Foreman was a hard worker and seemed like a team-oriented kid, but not D1: REALY bad hands.

 

[jtung230]

Rob Hodgeson was better than Mitchell or Farmer.

Hodgeson was a great role player. Fundamentally sound on O and D but he was not better than Mitchell.

 

[bac2therac]

Laurent is a tweener. Foreman is a true forward. We lacked size last year. He will be missed.

Pikiell will be recruting much better kids than him. His minutes the next two years would not be as much as you think unless you think he was going to make a giant leap in his level of play. Yes depth wise it does hurt next year but its not like he was going to provide us wins needed to get to 500 or make the NIT in year 2. Dont hand wring over small losses, big picture is that Pikiell has to recruit talent into the program and Foreman really isnt a part of the rebuilding plan

 

[bac2therac]

Hodgeson was a great role player. Fundamentally sound on O and D but he was not better than Mitchell.

Hodgson was more than a role player, how can you say that, he legitmately would have been starting on other Big East teams during that timeframe. I loved Mitchell too but people need to remember his junior year was rather middling but he took upon himself and along with Rice coaching to take it to another level his senior year. Have to rate Hodgson over Mitchell overall but the entirety of what he brought to the table

 

[RUJMM78]

Hodgson was more than a role player, how can you say that, he legitmately would have been starting on other Big East teams during that timeframe. I loved Mitchell too but people need to remember his junior year was rather middling but he took upon himself and along with Rice coaching to take it to another level his senior year. Have to rate Hodgson over Mitchell overall but the entirety of what he brought to the table

I agree that Hodgson should not be considered a role player .He would have started for almost every Rutgers head coach because of his skill set on both offense and defense along with his intelligence.I think Hughes was the best power forward at Rutgers not including a player like Hinson.

 

[RUChoppin]

I'll take Jonathan Mitchell, Miller, Biruta, Coburn, Beatty, Austin Johnson and Poole over the pile of dreck Eddie got.

I think Mitchell is in my Top 6 Rutgers players in the last 20 years. (Douby, Hughes, Billet, Mack, Mitchell, Farmer would be my 6 in order).

I know time flies, but Hughes hasn't been on the banks in 25 years (1989-91).. so you have an opening in your "Top 6 Rutgers players in the last 20 years".

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Hodgson was more than a role player, how can you say that, he legitmately would have been starting on other Big East teams during that timeframe. I loved Mitchell too but people need to remember his junior year was rather middling but he took upon himself and along with Rice coaching to take it to another level his senior year. Have to rate Hodgson over Mitchell overall but the entirety of what he brought to the table

I'd take Hodgson over Mitchell 7 days a week and I liked Mitchell a lot.

 

[Mr Magoo]

I'd take Hodgson over Mitchell 7 days a week and I liked Mitchell a lot.

MItchell wasn't even close to Hodgson

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Laurent is a tweener. Foreman is a true forward. We lacked size last year. He will be missed.

"missed"? Com'on man stop, please.

 

[rufeelinit]

I really liked how Rob Hodgson played the game of basketball.

 

[KnightDC]

This got to five pages?

Did people forget that he was a tweener forward and freeman and Laurent were going to get 26-27 mpg and he was going to have to fight it out to be the third forward with thiam

Keep everyone else intact and we are solid next year with a 8 man rotation

Three guards....sanders, Johnson and Williams

Three forwards...Laurent, freeman and thiam

Centers...Diallo and Doorson

Depth in the back court/wing...bullock and troop

Depth in front court...none

We could use another player up front to replace foreman for depth up front...but that person is a 10mpg, tops, next year of the roster stays in tact

Losing your 9th guy in foreman and your 12th guy in Goode is normal attrition...

Key is NO MORE loses

Again. Losses from a single digit win team Are irrelevNt. This is a long term build . The sooner pikiell gets his kids in here the better.

Also imo bullock will play a lot of 3 and even some 4 becuase he is so strong. He will play alot becuSe ru lacks anyone else with his physicality

 

[MADHAT1]

Foreman will be missed, but I think it will be as part of the PF depth next season that will cause him to be missed and not the stats he has had since coming to RU.
He might have stepped up and became a vital part of the team, but that is not a proven fact , just like the one replacing Foreman might do better than he would have can not be proven.


DJ averaged 7.9 Pts and 6 rebounds per game in 26.2 minutes per game.
That can be duplicated, but the experience gained by DJ might have helped him improve on that
if he stayed.
Can't say if that would have happened, so will wish him luck and not mourn the loss.

 

[RUinFla]

The NCAA is worried because transfers are mushrooming--latest figure is one out of three players will transfer out. Did I see a figure of 700 this year, and transfer season is not yet over? Many of these kids were shown the door when they proved they could not play at the level to which they were recruited. Others think they would get to play more somewhere else. Ball is in the NCAA's court, but how could they restrict transfers?
TL

 

[AreYouNUTS]

The NCAA is worried because transfers are mushrooming--latest figure is one out of three players will transfer out. Did I see a figure of 700 this year, and transfer season is not yet over? Many of these kids were shown the door when they proved they could not play at the level to which they were recruited. Others think they would get to play more somewhere else. Ball is in the NCAA's court, but how could they restrict transfers?
TL

The problem is that too many of these kids THINK they're a whole 'lot better than they are and I put that on these AAU coaches and/or their parents. Set realistic expectations (see: stop telling every kid want they want to hear) for these kids and maybe, just maybe, you won't see such insane transfer #'s.

 

[knights1212]

Mitchell had a very good senior year but Hodgson played great for RU for 4 years. He was coming out of high school a Top 25 player in the nation and was so unselfish. He was a coaches son who knew the game inside and out. He could do it all. We were lucky to have him.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Mitchell had a very good senior year but Hodgson played great for RU for 4 years. He was coming out of high school a Top 25 player in the nation and was so unselfish. He was a coaches son who knew the game inside and out. He could do it all. We were lucky to have him.

There isn't a team we have had since Rob played that he wouldn't have been one of the 2 best players on the team. Loved that guy.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Jerry Carino ‎@NJHoopsHaven
Telling quote regarding Foreman's departure: "When the head coach doesn't do a lot of recruiting ,the kids become attached to assistants."--------
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I would like to know that .
If Carino is the one that thinks that, he shouldn't imply Foreman said it or he should make it clear, that's what Foreman said or name the person who said it.
Poor communication by Carino and he needs to clarify that tweet

I tweeted in reply asking who said that and he did not answer. Normally i am a big fan of carino but that's not right

 

[dpwhite]

I tweeted in reply asking who said that and he did not answer. Normally i am a big fan of carino but that's not right

He's not going to tell you who his source is. That's why it's a source.

 

[MADHAT1]

He's not going to tell you who his source is. That's why it's a source.

Carino saying: >Telling quote regarding Foreman's departure: "When the head coach doesn't do a lot of recruiting ,the kids become attached to assistants."< doesn't say it's from a protected source, just looks like something said about Foreman's departure to more than just him.
Guess I don't understand about the difference between a source and someone just stating their opinion in conversation to someone who writes a blog.
Also I wasn't even sure if Carino was referring that quote to something DJ said to him about the reason he left .

 

[ruman]

Eddie Jordan was a bad coach and recruiter. Don't need to be Woodward and Bernstein on that one.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

It's Rutgers.. The coaches leave and the players follow. Been going on since the end of the last century..Did you think it would change now?

 

[ruman]

It's Rutgers.. The coaches leave and the players follow. Been going on since the end of the last century..Did you think it would change now?

Ok by me

 

[jtung230]

"missed"? Com'on man stop, please.

You must know something I don't know. If Freeman doesn't comeback, who plays PF?

 

[jtung230]

MItchell wasn't even close to Hodgson

Based on what? Their stats are very close but Hodgson had the benefit of playing on a much better team. If you switch them on the teams, Hodgson's number would be way down.

 

[RutgHoops]

Farmer was an okay player but, honestly I don't think he'd be in my Top 60 no less Top 6......

Farmer is 4th all time at Rutgers in assists and was a 1000 point scorer. He had Douby for one year so his assists weren't "cheap" the other three seasons. He was a terrific defensive player as well.

 

[bac2therac]

Based on what? Their stats are very close but Hodgson had the benefit of playing on a much better team. If you switch them on the teams, Hodgson's number would be way down.

oh really... and Mitchells numbers would be way down if he had the players that Hodgson had..see I can do that too