This deserves its own thread he is just brutally bad. He is hurting us way more than helping us. Has zero basketball iq!!!
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Dear Lord com'on now. He's averaging 12 pts, 8 rebounds, and a block per game. Also has a better shooting % than Corey, Geo, Williams, He plays a very important role out there - with this group, right now - like it or not. Yes he can be frustrating at times, but these comments are uncalled for IMHO.
Nuts, I don’t mean to be harsh, but Freeman may be the worst player I have ever seen to average those numbers. If it’s not a dribble handoff he hasn’t learned how to pass yet. He chucks the ball up every touch he gets.
He had an awful game today.......set the tone in a negative way with yet again another missed 3 to open up the game....was 0-3 on 3's (3 too many attempts) and was abused inside today by a very good; tall ; agile OSU defense.
Freeman is a good player but he needs to play within his scope and his scope is not 3 point attempts and he is also ineffective unfortunately when playing against taller more stronger and agile defenders as today.
Freeman is a good player but he needs to play within his scope and his scope is not 3 point attempts and he is also ineffective unfortunately when playing against taller more stronger and agile defenders as today.
Listen..he can be rough to watch...I agree. but for THIS team, right now, he "fits" into the puzzle, for better or worst, that's all. I mean nobody was complaining when the went 6-12, hit a big 3, and 2-for-2 from the line, against Wisconsin, right?
That being said, yes, he looked awful today. I DVR'd the game and, the 3 or 4 times I saw him get the ball on O in the first half, I cringed, especially that opening 3 he took ughhh lol!
OP (RichtheDentist) reading your post was like pulling teeth. BTW you have very little fan IQ.
Freeman hijacked the offense 1/3 of the possessions he was in there. He didn’t grab a single rebound. He slumped in his chair when he was pulled. His defense most of the season has been real bad.
Check your stats. Point are meaningless if they come on way too many attempts and missed bunnies. Freeman’s best games have largely come against inferior competition. His shooting percentage in P5 games is awful and worse than Corey’s. Plus, a PF should always have a better shooting % than a guard. A good PF should shoot 60% — Freeman is shooting a terrible 31% in P5 games!! His selfish shot selection and incredible number of missed layups is one of the major contributors to our lack of offense. I think Coach finally appreciated that tonight by sitting Freeman for most of the second half.
Sadly I would have to agree with you. He seems to have regressed this year. I never recall him forcing so many shots before. Maybe it's because he feels as if we don't have enough offense and he presses a bit to force the issue. But right now it's not working. Making a three every 10 or 15 shots does not make one an outside shooter. What's troubling however, is he hasn't adjusted to taller more athletic opponents under the rim and he's missing layups, chippies and trying to take on two guys at the same time. He gets stuffed, has his shot badly altered and yet he doesn't adjust to it by forcing the opponent out a bit and taking a ten foot jump shot, which he is actually good at. And what's even more disturbing the lousy offense has adversely affected his defense.
I think there was a reason why Pikiell sat him as long as he did in the second half. He made matters worse, not better. I hope for his sake and the team's sake he straightens out and starts playing fundamental BB. Right now Freeman is hurting the team more than helping the team, and I've been a Freeman fan since he came to the banks.
He’s a warrior and we need him. But I’ve never seen more missed one footers by one player in a single season. And we’re not done yet.
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Couldnt disagree with you more and agree with OP more. Were gonna be so much better without freeman. Points and rebs do not tell the story. Just watch the game
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When two guys are around him he needs to pass the ball out and not force the shot.
What are you talking about? The OP is right on point--Freeman has ZERO basketball IQ. Doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit that.
He should never be shooting 3's. Especially that early in the game.
I also think its time to bring Duke off the benchl. Not a game goes by he doesnt start with 2 fouls within the first 3-5 minutes.
VERY bad performance shoooting yesterday. Didnt think they looked awful just couldnt buy buckets.
I also think its time to bring Duke off the benchl. Not a game goes by he doesnt start with 2 fouls within the first 3-5 minutes.
VERY bad performance shoooting yesterday. Didnt think they looked awful just couldnt buy buckets.
The positives of Freeman are that he demonstrates great effort , sets the tone with toughness, and rebounds . His foul shooting has improved considerably. However, as some have said , his negatives are glaring. He takes bad shots , drifts on defense, forces his offense rather than have it come to him , and should not be taking any 3 pt shots. When he sets his mind up to go to the hoop , he rarely if ever gives up the ball , no matter how many guys are on him. Result is he forces up bad shots and can't finish. Most frustrating is that he doesn't learn from the situation and adjust within a team concept.
There's a good Freeman and a bad Freeman. The bad Freeman is really awful. But the good Freeman has won us some games. Not sure I've seen so many layups missed by a player or someone who tries to force shots when double teamed.
We all understand Freeman is a flawed player on a team full of them, but he is a heart and soul player out there that usually gives his all. Now yesterday no one can argue was terrible but he has also played some great games for us during his career and definitely single handedly won a few for us.
You guys also forget for us he has to play a position that he is very undersized for.
Every player on this team has had multiple abysmal games for us, I don't know why we constantly have to have threads pointing out Freeman.
Pike does need to tell him and every other forward on this team to stop shooting 3s.
You guys also forget for us he has to play a position that he is very undersized for.
Every player on this team has had multiple abysmal games for us, I don't know why we constantly have to have threads pointing out Freeman.
Pike does need to tell him and every other forward on this team to stop shooting 3s.
Freeman has a difficult time against athletic front court players that block his shots around the basket which causes him to move outside for 3 point shots.Without adequate replacements on the bench Freeman will continue to play significant minutes .Fans can expect good and bad performances for the remainder of the season depending on the opponent.
i think fans who are saying Freeman has zero IQ in fact have zero IQ
here's why: would our coach make a kid like Freeman a captain, if he had zero IQ? If yes, then you think Pike has zero IQ
some of our fans are just really, really sorry sacks.
And for the record, Freeman has had some bad games this year. But net-net, he brings way more positives than negatives to the table. And anyone disagreeing with that, in fact has very little bball IQ.
that is all.
here's why: would our coach make a kid like Freeman a captain, if he had zero IQ? If yes, then you think Pike has zero IQ
some of our fans are just really, really sorry sacks.
And for the record, Freeman has had some bad games this year. But net-net, he brings way more positives than negatives to the table. And anyone disagreeing with that, in fact has very little bball IQ.
that is all.
Here's what bothers me about Freeman. First off I think he's talented. And second, I think, at times when he's dialed in, he gives good effort. The problem IMO is that he's overconfident and has this cocky swagger to him that he often doesn't back up with his play. He doesn't play hungry. He doesn't play with a chip on his shoulder. Corey DOES, despite his confidence. Mike does. Eugene does. Those 3 play hungry. DF does not. He's too comfortable out there. He needs to play hungrier and stop worrying about whether or not his finesse moves look pretty. Just score or try to get to the line.
I agree with your perspective on Freeman and the equally important viewpoint regarding the rest of the team.A team lacking shooters/scorers will have dreadful offensive performances and there is very little the coaching staff can do until better players arrive next season.Players tend to regress in rebounding and defense as the team fails to score .Basketball is a game of offensive spurts as seen by Ohio State against Rutgers in the first half and the beginning of the second half.Rutgers had a mini spurt near the end of the game but it had no meaning because the scoring differential was still more than 20 points.
he was made captain going into last season for his commitment to rebounding.....which has completely disappeared of late. 8 total bounds in last 4 games....playing soft and uninterested on Defense. That's why the captain sat yesterday. and the latest captain went in for some time.
I don't think it has anything to do with BBIQ though. More about bad habits and where his focus currently is (or isn't)
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Apparently, Freeman is allowed to take those crazy shots down low that consistently get blocked. Sorry, but that’s coaching too. It’s not all on him.
My bottom line in Freeman is very negative. I disagree with some of the above about his toughness, defensive intensity, being a warrior: to me that has really dropped off this year. If he’s wide open, I have less problem with one or two 3s per game.
I think coach needs to continue to sit him when he’s not focused defensively or selfish/stupid offensively.
I think coach needs to continue to sit him when he’s not focused defensively or selfish/stupid offensively.
If freeman stuck only to his strengths:
1. Rebounding
2. Driving to the hoop
3. Post up back downs and baby hooks
This offense would be much better off. Freeman shouldn’t be taking 3s or fade away jumpers ... unless the shot clock is under 3 seconds.
He’s a great player , leader for this team. He needs to just stick to his strengths and stop trying to do too much of the other stuff.
I love freeman so these threads are tough because he brings a lot to the floor but when he goes outside his strengths, it fustrates fans a lot (myself included )
1. Rebounding
2. Driving to the hoop
3. Post up back downs and baby hooks
This offense would be much better off. Freeman shouldn’t be taking 3s or fade away jumpers ... unless the shot clock is under 3 seconds.
He’s a great player , leader for this team. He needs to just stick to his strengths and stop trying to do too much of the other stuff.
I love freeman so these threads are tough because he brings a lot to the floor but when he goes outside his strengths, it fustrates fans a lot (myself included )
I think the point is Freeman needs to be reigned in and I think that he seems to have free reign although he was yanked last night but then inexplicably put back in even though RU was playing their best ball of the night in a lineup without him. I think there needs to be a shift in the focus of him being the primary scoring threat to others getting their shot, if that means more losing, so be it. I would rather develop for the future than worry about the difference between 3 and 5 conference wins
Freeman had one of his worst nights but I firmly believe Pikiell needs to answer questions on it.
First, the kid is always wide open at the three point line. Pikiell needs to tell him there is a reason he is! The other team is begging him to take those. He has knocked them down a few times but he doesn’t understand that is not his shot. Pikiell hasn’t made that clear. After he air balled that first three I would’ve pulled him right out. Even if it was for one possession.
The board is too polarized on freeman. When he plays within his game, there is no doubt he’s an extremely valuable player. Last night was literally the worst of all his characteristics.
First, the kid is always wide open at the three point line. Pikiell needs to tell him there is a reason he is! The other team is begging him to take those. He has knocked them down a few times but he doesn’t understand that is not his shot. Pikiell hasn’t made that clear. After he air balled that first three I would’ve pulled him right out. Even if it was for one possession.
The board is too polarized on freeman. When he plays within his game, there is no doubt he’s an extremely valuable player. Last night was literally the worst of all his characteristics.
I buy this bac.
I just hate the "he has zero IQ" BS. we turn on our own so quickly around here.
the guy is an over-achiever. what he's done with his skills is extraordinary, imho.
yes, he needs to be reigned in. all for that.
I think he has some basketball. But when that is turned to advancing self and one’s stats in favor of contributing to the team, it is a big problem.
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In many ways, Freeman's season is reminding me of Kadeem Jack's senior season. After a strong junior year, Jack fell in love with the outside shot instead of working inside. Freeman has done the same thing in several games.
Of course, Freeman's excuse for settling for 3-point bombs and jump shots could be because he's frustrated with his inability to score inside against taller defenders.
Of course, Freeman's excuse for settling for 3-point bombs and jump shots could be because he's frustrated with his inability to score inside against taller defenders.
The problems with freeman are
Being overstated. True but over stated
The big problem is he isn’t being consistent in output...his highs have been much higher than last year ...but his lows have been much lower too than last year....and you need much make consistency from your senior captain......
For this team to have had a chance at a big record move this year...it requires seniorits with consistency from the seniors....and while they have been very good in some big wins, the lows have hurt us badly when they happened too
Being overstated. True but over stated
The big problem is he isn’t being consistent in output...his highs have been much higher than last year ...but his lows have been much lower too than last year....and you need much make consistency from your senior captain......
For this team to have had a chance at a big record move this year...it requires seniorits with consistency from the seniors....and while they have been very good in some big wins, the lows have hurt us badly when they happened too
right. maybe you should pen a letter to Coach Pikiell and share your infinite wisdom that the guy he chose as one of the captains, and who he calls out positively more often than not, is a net-negative. I am sure he will welcome the "help".
this is the kind of stupid-stuff I was referring to in my other post back to you.
I also get frustrated with Freeman when he goes into "me first" mode. I was hoping to see less of that this year.
You sir, have very little basketball IQ
Freeman is all they have this year. The best thing this team has going for them, as far as next year, is that Freeman graduates. Regardless of his 12 points per game avg., he cost the team more than that by his overall play. But, there is no one else. He is a player that should have gone to a lower level school, where his competition was at a level he could be successful.
I saw his behind the back move in the key, and just started laughing. Freeman has a very high opinion of himself.
Freeman was really off last night, and needed to ride the pine. He didn't have any touch on his shots, wasn't playing sound defense, couldn't score against taller defenders, wasn't in position for rebounds, and was settling for outside shots. Just a brutal game for him - for whatever reason.
We took him out for an extended stretch, and suddenly the offense started working. I don't think that was a coincidence last night. When he's having one of those games, he needs to be sat and be given reserve minutes. When he comes out strong we can ride him for 30+ minutes, but when he comes out like he did, he really shouldn't see more than 7-8.
I get that Pike was trying to get him going, because we need "good Freeman" for the rest of this season - but when he was turning in one of his worst performances of the year, he shouldn't have been on the court again in the second half.
We took him out for an extended stretch, and suddenly the offense started working. I don't think that was a coincidence last night. When he's having one of those games, he needs to be sat and be given reserve minutes. When he comes out strong we can ride him for 30+ minutes, but when he comes out like he did, he really shouldn't see more than 7-8.
I get that Pike was trying to get him going, because we need "good Freeman" for the rest of this season - but when he was turning in one of his worst performances of the year, he shouldn't have been on the court again in the second half.
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