GAME 26 OREGON: Death Spiral
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Watching these games feels more like an obligation than a pleasure
They competed at Maryland even with Ace sick, but that was a tough opponent on the road.
They were up at the half against Iowa. So it's really just the last 3 halves. I wouldn't overthink it; it's not a very good team, they played better for a while, now they're playing worse. Yes they kind of gave up on this game with 8 minutes left and Oregon completely unconscious from three.
I look forward to the USC game on Sunday !
Since RU is cutting back on halftime entertainment this year - maybe the band can perform Tusk at halftime !
Since RU is cutting back on halftime entertainment this year - maybe the band can perform Tusk at halftime !
One other point , people have commented about effort but what happened to the Illinois effort. The players played like their hair was on fire. Then a tough loss to a very good Maryland team as we couldn’t handle Queen. Followed by a great first half against Iowa and an absolutely atrocious second half against Iowa. We should have done to Iowa what Maryland did to them in their second half today.
Did that loss suck the energy from the team ? Tonight was not only low energy but lack of understanding of the effort needed to compete and it was just not there. Why? They were demoralized after Iowa? Knew they blew any chance ?
Quit is a controversial word but the last 5-6 minutes of the first half and the second half , lacked the focus and intensity to win a game. Coach made it worse not better.
Maybe the freshmen are all hitting a wall? And guys like Acuff and Derkack stopped caring because they barely play?
Grant and Somerville and Dorsch are not hitting a wall. Illinois was only 3 games ago. Acuff played great first half Iowa One game ago, and is not the first guard to come in the game today. Jordan is a bowling ball with no filter, has nothing to do with not caring
Forced by who ? The interim AD or President To Be Named Later ?
The one bright spot I have from this season is DG and Lathan, they look like legitimate players who I think will be really good next year. Unfortunately it’s also the reason I’m already dreading the offseason because I don’t know that they’ll want to stick around here.
Dylan and Ace had efg% of .541 and .530 respectively. That’s with often being double teamed much of the night. For reference, as efficient scorers, Geo’s best season was .486 in his fourth season. Dylan has more assists per 100.
Lathan as an efg% under .500. Which is extremely low for a 5 man. For reference before Ogbole was hurt he was at .610 on more attempts per 100 and a better rebounder. Lathan gives you very little on the glass and is a major part of why our defense sucks bc he can’t protect the rim, plays below the rim. I see no reason to be excited about his future, though I’m hoping he can keep improving for our sake.
Dylan Grant may be a good two way player for us, but he’s a black hole as a shooter.
I know the season is already lost and that may change some of the players behavior. But the issue was not Ace and Dylan.
if we can just get Stevie Nicks 1979 hologram twirling her baton during the performance it will be worth everyones money
For fun, I’ll switch to the football board and watch Bac and Numbers argue about whether or not it’s going to snow.
Dortch hasn’t played
Grant and Lathan looked great but rotations kill their momentum
Ace and Dylan lifeless after Flu and injuries (quit more likely then the fictitious wall)
Where are you getting more attempts per 100 for Ogbole? Ogbole is never creating his own shot, it’s only ever put backs and dump offs, I’d be shocked if he didn’t have a higher efg% than Lathan. You see no reason to be excited about a freshman big who’s averaging 7 points per game and shooting +80% from the free throw line? I do. Yes he needs to improve on defense. With the way we’ve seen big men progress in this program I’d take a guy with a high floor on offense and work to do in defense versus the alternative.
Also 14 games into Dylan Grant’s college career were labeling him a black hole as a shooter?
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make about Dylan and Ace or how either of them relate to things I could look forward to beyond this year, which was what my post was about.
If TJ Thompson is here, Lathan will be here. IMHO, it's as simple as that. Lathan is here because his father and Thompson are good friends and played together overseas. A good portion of RU's available NIL money will be going to Sommerville. I'm pretty certain of that.
His floor on offense is currently low not high. He’s under 50% from the floor as a big. That’s bad. You generally want your big to only be scoring on putbacks and dump offs. That’s efficient offense from players who, outside the top 5/6 bigs in the world, don’t score efficiently other ways (hence Lathan under 50% from the the field).
Raw totals don’t mean much. Efficiency is importantl and the ability to get volume of those efficient opportunities.
I’m not “labeling” grant. That’s what he has been as a shooter. Why so sensitive that he has been very bad so far in that department? Can he get better? I hope so! But just like you’re doing with Lathan and what people did with most of our portal guys this season, it seems like it’s being penciled in.
As far as Dylan and Ace, you mentioned Lathan and Grant were the one bright spot this season. Seems crazy to me given how good Ace and Dylan have been.
If you can't get your players to play hard then you need another profession. That's part of being a good coach.
It's all up in the air at this point. Depends on whether Pike makes coaching staff moves.
Get Pike to accept a lesser buyout or fire him within a week. Elevate someone other than Knight to be interim head coach. Relegate Knight to a lesser role. He will likely quit and move on. That will save us a couple million. Our AD is interim, but he is still the AD. He needs to take some charge and meet with the board to get their approval and figure the finances out. It will take some balls I know, but with 60+ million coming from Big 10 TV money yearly it can be done. Where there is a will there is a way. If we keep Pike he might cost the program as much as we owe him. Be a real Power 5 athletic program or accept a bottom half finish in the Big 10 every year until 2030, and a shrinking fan base.
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agree, and add on no upperclassmen leadership
very disappointed in Pike for how he constructed this team
Not worth the NIL. He’s not a viable 5 and isn’t athletic enough to play anywhere else. We need a portal 5 and LS won’t be a willing sub.
Grant is the keeper. More versatile and more athletic.
What team consistently plays 11 players this deep into the season. Pike still hasn’t settled on a rotation throwing out the kitchen sink to see what sticks.
Plus often no rhyme or reason to substitutions. Acuff has a big game then minimal minutes. Hayes is ghosted for a couple games then the first guy off the bench?
It’s the recruiting! Has always been mediocre at best! Take away Paul, Cliff, Ace and Dylan and what have you got! Coach got lucky on few that weren’t highly recruited.
Holy crap. She is legit with that baton! She was so hot back then.
So you looked at the situation based on a few recent games and thought there was potential for a much better outcome for this season based on that? That's exactly what I thought about our hoops team, too...and about the upcoming snow event, which had great potential 2 days ago, but has since gone in the shitter and yet you excoriate me for posting about potential outcomes for snow, while doing the exact same damned thing with hoops, here, and in your bracket posts. For your brackets, you evaluate the situation at a specific timepoint and make future bracket predictions based on that, which have many errors early on when there is a lot of the season left, but your predictions get more and more accurate as we get closer to the end of the season. Just like the weather. Imagine that. Perhaps you should lay off the trolling of the weather threads.
If you think Lathan’s floor on offense is low then you haven’t watched him play this year. He handles the ball well, he has good footwork and he can finish in a variety of ways, he is very skilled for a big. Yes he can be more efficient, he’s also a freshman big. Yes on a team with talented scorers like Harper and Bailey you primarily want your big scoring on put backs and dump offs. On next years team, neither of those guys will be there so having a big who can score in other ways seems like a plus to me.
Ignoring your second paragraph because it’s just condescending bullshit.
What about “Also 14 games into Dylan Grant’s college career we’re labeling him a black hole as a shooter?” reads as me being sensitive?
Yes, Dylan and Ace are good. They’re also only here for one year and that one year has been a huge disappointment so why would I consider that a bright spot?
Ok we’ll check back next year and years after on Lathan. His floor is low imo because his ceiling is low when it comes to how bigs score efficiently. Let’s see how far his back to the basket fadeaway game takes him.
Ogbole/ Transfer 5, Somerville at the 4, and Grant as a 3 works, if we are able to bring in 2 starting guards. 2 experienced scoring guards that yes we’d have to Hit on like a Cam Spencer, and our lineup next year actually looks pretty good.
2 portal guards is biggest off season need
Dortch, Derkack and Davis off bench, Let the freshman coming in grow, if they’re good enough they’ll play enough off bench
2 portal guards is biggest off season need
Dortch, Derkack and Davis off bench, Let the freshman coming in grow, if they’re good enough they’ll play enough off bench
Wtf
You sound like a crazy person
Imagine a grown man pouting because he isn't getting 18 inches of snow
Also I don't make future bracket predictions
My brackets are based on CURRENT time snapshot...get it right
26 games in and Pikell still can't figure out a rotation he has to be the worst at lineups and substituting and when to substitute; for once play the god dam starters 8 minutes straight they are friggin 18 years old; if they can't play 8 minutes with 1 timeout in between then there is something wrong with our coaching and conditioning!!
I love when weather forecast guys tilt
J Michael has really shown some improvement on offense the last few games so I actually have more hope for him than before however its his defense that has been terrible he gets blown by all the time
I 've seen enough of Dercack driving in the lane into traffic and then throwing the ball away
For me, there has not been much of an obligation to watch most of the year. Watching this team has not and is not enjoyable. Last night, I watched something with my family during the first quarter of that game. I went downstairs, turned the RU game on and watched a putrid effort for about 5 minutes. During that time, I saw a listless effort, poor shooting, lazy turnovers, pathetic defense and playground basketball on offense. I switched over to Netflix and watched reruns of Lost. This Rutgers team belongs on the island with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Locke. LOST.
oh im ready for it...Numbers teary eyed because models a week out that showed 18 inches decided to change their mind on day 5....maybe there is a lesson to be learned for him
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