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GAME 26 OREGON: Death Spiral

Ogbole/ Transfer 5, Somerville at the 4, and Grant as a 3 works, if we are able to bring in 2 starting guards. 2 experienced scoring guards that yes we’d have to Hit on like a Cam Spencer, and our lineup next year actually looks pretty good.

2 portal guards is biggest off season need

Dortch, Derkack and Davis off bench, Let the freshman coming in grow, if they’re good enough they’ll play enough off bench
Sommerville at 4 is a recipe for another year of sucking, a second player limited to scoring in the paint interferes with spacing to accommodate a real 5 with the same limitations.. Sommerville will either be a slow 5 starter who plays small or a sub, which won't sit well with him. He's worthless as a 4 on a team with a decent 5.

Grant is the 4 who makes sense. Much more athletic and has range outside the paint.

Speaking of floors...Sommerville spent more time on his back and belly than he did on his feet. Better form as a swimmer than a basketball player yesterday.
 
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Sommerville at 4 is a recipe for another year of sucking, a second player limited to scoring the paint interferes with spacing to accommodate a real 5 with the same limitations.. Sommerville will either be a slow 5 starter who plays small or a sub, which won't sit well with him. He's worthless as a 4 on a team with a decent 5.

Grant is the 4 who makes sense. Much more athletic and has range outside the paint.

Speaking of floors...Sommerville spent more time on his back and belly than he did on his feet. Better form as a swimmer than a basketball player yesterday.
Jwill has been teaching him the Brian Boitano slip and fall in practice.
 
The games just aren't fun to watch anymore.

It's a bad product on the floor right now. I've got very little connection to any of these players either, making the team as a whole hard to root for, too. Even the ordinary hope I'd have for year-over-year improvement from freshmen is muted, because there's no telling if they'll even be back.

It's going to be hard to get myself out to these last couple of home games, and then I'm lapsing my season tickets. We'll see what sort of team we have for 2025-26 once we hit mid-May.
 
one thing with Grant and Lathan while they are doing some great things offensively, they are doing them because in general they are not being focuses on by the opponents defensive gameplan...especially Grant, teams are going to let him do his thing

grant though is a guy who with other pieces around him is going to be valuable

Lathan is going to be much harder to tame...his defense needs a ton of work, his attitude needs work, did anyone love his step back brick 3 last night
 
What team consistently plays 11 players this deep into the season. Pike still hasn’t settled on a rotation throwing out the kitchen sink to see what sticks.
Plus often no rhyme or reason to substitutions. Acuff has a big game then minimal minutes. Hayes is ghosted for a couple games then the first guy off the bench?
In Pike's defense, they all stink so it would also seem strange to not give other players a try
 
Ok we’ll check back next year and years after on Lathan. His floor is low imo because his ceiling is low when it comes to how bigs score efficiently. Let’s see how far his back to the basket fadeaway game takes him.
His floor is low bc his ceiling is low? Can't tell if you're being serious or don't understand what floor and ceiling mean
 
Would love to get @RUGiddy777 thoughts? He told us during the struggles of the first half to be patient. But here we are playing our worst basketball. Team has mailed it in and we are the laughing stocks of the bball world. Does he put any of this disaster on pike?
 
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His floor is low bc his ceiling is low? Can't tell if you're being serious or don't understand what floor and ceiling mean
Talking about his overall floor bc one part of his game has a low ceiling, the most important part of 5 man’s efficiency.
 
Ace and Dylan look like they are on absolute fumes out there...

Never seen guys grabbing at their shorts more than these two.

Ace two rebounds. Two?!?!?!?! Help defense absolutely non existent.

Dylan with one assist. No confidence in his outside shot and teams just sagging off him with help behind. Good luck.

The grabbing of the shorts has been happening all year long. Super out of shape for this level of ball
 
I bet some money on us last night, thinking we'd see some pride. But when they showed the warm ups, and Dylan looked disinterested. I knew quickly that I made a mistake lol
 
In Pike's defense, they all stink so it would also seem strange to not give other players a try
You cannot play 11 guys at this point of the season. Let your starters go longer with all the TV timeouts. But giving a few minutes to PJ or Jordan is not going to make any diffference. Acuff , then JMike under protest , and Martini and Dorsch for Grant and Somerville if foul trouble . Dorsch limited minutes .
 
one thing with Grant and Lathan while they are doing some great things offensively, they are doing them because in general they are not being focuses on by the opponents defensive gameplan...especially Grant, teams are going to let him do his thing

grant though is a guy who with other pieces around him is going to be valuable

Lathan is going to be much harder to tame...his defense needs a ton of work, his attitude needs work, did anyone love his step back brick 3 last night
Sommerville is the most talented big we’ve had in a while yet I don’t think he’d see the court at a real program.
 
You cannot play 11 guys at this point of the season. Let your starters go longer with all the TV timeouts. But giving a few minutes to PJ or Jordan is not going to make any diffference. Acuff , then JMike under protest , and Martini and Dorsch for Grant and Somerville if foul trouble . Dorsch limited minutes .

Pike has shown a willingness to play guys 38 minutes before so there are two possible reasons he isn’t:

- Ace and Dylan are not in good enough shape <= obviously the correct answer imo
- he’s given up and is just preparing for next year
 
Pike’s best (and really only successful) formula has been four fairly athletic perimeter players — Yeboah, RHJ, Mag and Hyatt have all been to some degree a bit undersized at the 4 — and an elite rim protector.

I think Lathan has the potential to become a very good college basketball player, but I don’t see where he fits into that formula at the 4 or the 5. At somewhere like Purdue I think he could take on a very similar role to TKR or Trevion Williams, but I just don’t see Pikiell building a winner around him.
 
Pike has shown a willingness to play guys 38 minutes before so there are two possible reasons he isn’t:

- Ace and Dylan are not in good enough shape <= obviously the correct answer imo
- he’s given up and is just preparing for next year
RHJ played 36 minutes a game during the final 12 in 2021-22, 34.6 if you omit the two overtime games. Crazy that he’d be the fitter of the two brothers lol.
 
Sommerville is the most talented big we’ve had in a while yet I don’t think he’d see the court at a real program.
He’s a tweener. Not quite long enough to be a great 5 and not really a great 4…although I think he can become a solid college point forward type. I’m curious how he would fare playing next to a complete and dominant 5 but guys like that are few and far between and nobody on the current roster fits that bill.
 
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No we aren’t. We are an afterthought. I don’t know if that’s better but it is reality
Youre completely wrong. There was a viral clip on one of the top college basketball shows in which they named us the single most disappointing team in the country this year and how theyre mind blown we could be so bad with 2 lottery picks
 
Pike has shown a willingness to play guys 38 minutes before so there are two possible reasons he isn’t:

- Ace and Dylan are not in good enough shape <= obviously the correct answer imo
- he’s given up and is just preparing for next year

Yup. A lot of minutes for PJ last night. Only hope is that he’s preserving them for the Big Ten tournament.
 
He’s a tweener. Not quite long enough to be a great 5 and not really a great 4…although I think he can become a solid college point forward type. I’m curious how he would fare playing next to a complete and dominant 5 but guys like that are few and far between and nobody on the current roster fits that bill.
Sommerville is a fine 5 in todays game. Just needs to add muscle this offseason. Still carrying some baby fat. Need him to get in with Jay Butler
 
RHJ played 36 minutes a game during the final 12 in 2021-22, 34.6 if you omit the two overtime games. Crazy that he’d be the fitter of the two brothers lol.

You’ve gotta think you also learn how to conserve energy as you mature and not waste it when it doesn’t matter. I think you see Ace burst at the wrong times the last few games. Time away from the court has probably killed Dylan’s fitness.
 
Sommerville is a fine 5 in todays game. Just needs to add muscle this offseason. Still carrying some baby fat. Need him to get in with Jay Butler
I don’t think he’s 6-10 without the ‘fro🤷‍♂️ and has done a great job of losing baby fat this year…night and day compared to his highschool tape.
 
Everyone knows we have 2 nba and not making the tourney
Yeah, we managed to put together a bad team with two really high potential players.

I'm not happy about it but it is really not as remarkable as people make it out to be. And before anyone retorts "first time ever.. two top five picks.. blah blah" yeah, because generally programs with two top five picks are top programs and surround them with other good players.
 
Yeah, we managed to put together a bad team with two really high potential players.

I'm not happy about it but it is really not as remarkable as people make it out to be. And before anyone retorts "first time ever.. two top five picks.. blah blah" yeah, because generally programs with two top five picks are top programs and surround them with other good players.
Who's fault is it that they're not surrounded with what you deem to be talented pieces? Could it just be a coaching issue?

- Granted it's a lower level conference but Dercack was the player of the year for his entire conference. He had other p4 suitors.

- Acuff was the nations 8th leading scorer last year and had many p4 suitors

- Martini looked dominant vs us last year and now is just a dud, did he change as a player or did coaching change?

- PJ Hayes was one of the best 3 ball shooters in the portal

- Cliff's offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher at Bama than it was here. He's being put in positions to succeed. Coaching

- Mag is now a key cog on BYU's team. His offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher than it ever was here

You can say whatever you want. Come up with whatever narrative you please but at the end of the day, this is all pikes fault. Lack of coaching ability, not giving max effort to raise NIL because he doesn't think it's part of his job, etc.
 
Who's fault is it that they're not surrounded with what you deem to be talented pieces? Could it just be a coaching issue?

- Granted it's a lower level conference but Dercack was the player of the year for his entire conference. He had other p4 suitors.

- Acuff was the nations 8th leading scorer last year and had many p4 suitors

- Martini looked dominant vs us last year and now is just a dud, did he change as a player or did coaching change?

- PJ Hayes was one of the best 3 ball shooters in the portal

- Cliff's offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher at Bama than it was here. He's being put in positions to succeed. Coaching

- Mag is now a key cog on BYU's team. His offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher than it ever was here

You can say whatever you want. Come up with whatever narrative you please but at the end of the day, this is all pikes fault. Lack of coaching ability, not giving max effort to raise NIL because he doesn't think it's part of his job, etc.

It gets really tiresome on this board how it’s impossible to make any kind of statement without someone jumping in to make sure we clarify that Pike is the head coach and thus responsible for the team.

Yes, we ****ing know this. There is nothing in my post that blames it on any outside factor.
 
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Pike has shown a willingness to play guys 38 minutes before so there are two possible reasons he isn’t:

- Ace and Dylan are not in good enough shape <= obviously the correct answer imo
- he’s given up and is just preparing for next year
Since both Dylan and ACE I believe have asthma , that would account for their llooking exhausted as the game goes on but Dylan has had hurdles to overcome to maintain basketball shape with both the illness and the ankle. With the timeouts in a game and the last 2 minutes with the reviews usually taking another 5 minutes , they should be playing a minimum of 30 minutes but 34-35 should not be out of the question. Pike ‘s entire rotations are a mess.
 
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Yeah, we managed to put together a bad team with two really high potential players.

I'm not happy about it but it is really not as remarkable as people make it out to be. And before anyone retorts "first time ever.. two top five picks.. blah blah" yeah, because generally programs with two top five picks are top programs and surround them with other good players.
And as I said we are being laughed at
 
Who's fault is it that they're not surrounded with what you deem to be talented pieces? Could it just be a coaching issue?

- Granted it's a lower level conference but Dercack was the player of the year for his entire conference. He had other p4 suitors.

- Acuff was the nations 8th leading scorer last year and had many p4 suitors

- Martini looked dominant vs us last year and now is just a dud, did he change as a player or did coaching change?

- PJ Hayes was one of the best 3 ball shooters in the portal

- Cliff's offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher at Bama than it was here. He's being put in positions to succeed. Coaching

- Mag is now a key cog on BYU's team. His offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher than it ever was here

You can say whatever you want. Come up with whatever narrative you please but at the end of the day, this is all pikes fault. Lack of coaching ability, not giving max effort to raise NIL because he doesn't think it's part of his job, etc.
This 100%.
 
Who's fault is it that they're not surrounded with what you deem to be talented pieces? Could it just be a coaching issue?

- Granted it's a lower level conference but Dercack was the player of the year for his entire conference. He had other p4 suitors.

- Acuff was the nations 8th leading scorer last year and had many p4 suitors

- Martini looked dominant vs us last year and now is just a dud, did he change as a player or did coaching change?

- PJ Hayes was one of the best 3 ball shooters in the portal

- Cliff's offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher at Bama than it was here. He's being put in positions to succeed. Coaching

- Mag is now a key cog on BYU's team. His offensive efficiency rating is significantly higher than it ever was here

You can say whatever you want. Come up with whatever narrative you please but at the end of the day, this is all pikes fault. Lack of coaching ability, not giving max effort to raise NIL because he doesn't think it's part of his job, etc.
Pike picked players that he thought looked like they would help Dylan and ACE but haven’t
Jordan has almost terrible most nights and for a reigning NEC defensive player of the year , his defense is atrocious as he gets beat a lot and cheats for steals and gets burned . So except for MSU we never got enough out of him offensively.
Acuff’s foot injury screwed up any chance he was going to be a dominant scorer. His defense is atrocious but to give him the benefit of the doubt , his injury might have something to do with it. Pike got unlucky here as we have seen some games that Acuff could have consistently helped offensively.
Martini was terrible early and I would argue his minutes in the Alabama and TexasA& M games and missing shots , fumbling passes, missing foul shots , getting no rebounds at all , cost us those 2 games. Then his shooting slump took over and only recently , last 5-6 games since Nebraska has he at least knocked down a three but on the other hand missed 2-3 others wide open. He really wasn’t the experienced senior and shooter Pike thought he was.
PJ has failed as a 3 point specialist. When wide open he has only made like 1 of 4or 5. If closed out on , he hasn’t pumped faked , moved his puppies a few feet either direction and let it fly. He has let Pike down in a huge way.
Cliff hardly plays the key parts of Alabama games and he shoots almost never . Alabama plays 2 other centers besides him just as many minutes if not more. He is not part of their offense only their defense , rim protection and rebounding. Mentioning his offensive efficiency is a joke.
Mag was not playing early and again is not a part of BYU ‘s explosive offense and mostly plays to guard the other team’s best scorer . Citing his offensive efficiency number again is a joke. Go watch a game and then tell me his offensive impact on that team.

So it is not all Pike’s fault. Transfers have underachieved or been atrocious at times. His recruited shooters who didn’t hit open shots when we needed them to hit them consistently. You can make an argument that Pike could run more screens and pin downs for PJ , but after watching him shoot after 26 games , I have concluded he is a great practice shooter or pregame shooter not so great during the game. Pike has mismanaged the rotations. Pike ‘s loyalty to Martini and JMike and Jeremiah over getting Dylan Grant in the starting lineup sooner and not using Dorsch sooner was also his blunder. Presently , he has been terrible at his rotations and seems to be making them just for the sake of subbing. So yes he has some fault. No explaining the last 2 game performances by Dylan and ACE after the Illinois great game , and the good fight against Maryland. Almost hard to believe. Again maybe just some bad luck for Pike.
 
i watched BYU and sorry MAG does not play much and he quit on the team.
Have you watched them recently? Over the past 12 games he has averaged 23 minutes per night and an average offensive efficiency rating of 115. Hes become a key piece for them down the stretch.

The quitting part is the same accusation being made about this years team. So perhaps its a culture thing, right? And who would that fall on?
 
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