He plays like he’s 6’2”, with over-60 adult league moves. He’s the farthest thing from a 5 a 6’9” player could possibly be.
He’s just not a fit in the modern game.
GAME 26 OREGON: Death Spiral
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He’s just not a fit in the modern game.
He plays like he’s 6’2”, with old man over-60 moves. He’s the farthest thing from a 5 a 6’9” player could possibly be.
He’s just not a fit in the modern game
I think the general consensus that I see across the Twitterverse and TV is confusion, as opposed to laughter.
And before the season started we were closer to a bubble team than a sweet 16 team, so it’s actually not that crazy what’s happened considering a lot of the injuries and sickness we’ve been dealt. And I’m in no way making excuses for this team or Pikiell for the season we’ve had, but it has been a factor in us at least not being closer to a bubble team.
Our football program has been ridiculed and mocked much, much worse than this basketball team ever will be.
This season will be over in about a month and nobody will care anymore (with the exception of the die hard Rutgers fans).
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First of all, I wish we had their history. Second they will continue to get 4-5 star recruits and will change coaches if need be. Most importantly they’re doing something about it. Getting a GM. We can’t even get an AD
The far bigger problem is that there isn't one Rutgers sports team that excels against league competition .The overwhelming number of sport fans in NJ prefer professional versus college teams.With the demise of the Star Ledger printed paper there is very little media mention of Rutgers basketball team.
Rutgers had expectations this year. Any real college fan knew about Dylan and Ace. I have friends who are casual bball fans asking me what's going on with Rutgers bc they thought we had 2 top 5 picks on the team and saw the record
Every other year no one cared about Rutgers. This year we were relevant and set up perfectly to be a true national feel good story and completely 💩 the bed
Everyone knows I've been a huge Pike supporter but he blew it this year in a once in a lifetime opportunity for Rutgers. I'll never get over this season. Ever. We will never have this opportunity again
Every other year no one cared about Rutgers. This year we were relevant and set up perfectly to be a true national feel good story and completely 💩 the bed
Everyone knows I've been a huge Pike supporter but he blew it this year in a once in a lifetime opportunity for Rutgers. I'll never get over this season. Ever. We will never have this opportunity again
Are college hoops fans laughing at Rutgers
You said no one cares...are you saying they have no opinion..what about analysts
Yes or no
Analysts are not laughing at Rutgers. People that matter aren’t not laughing at us. General consensus is confusion and missed opportunity.
You’re being too dramatic BAC.
Of course there are random trolls poking fun at us but generally speaking the people that matter aren’t laughing away at us.
There have always been and will continue to be random trolls that rip on Rutgers sports. That will never change.
When analysts are bold enough to make insults and comments like they do about lack of focus etc you know off camera they find it quite comical and an insult to the game.
No I don’t know that, nor do you.
There have been plenty of teams over the course of college basketball that have had a lack of focus.
Another one being too dramatic.
lol, do you see any pouting? Didn't think so - I just post the best weather info I can. And with the brackets and the weather, we both take the current state and speculate what that would mean based on an analysis of that current state. For hoops that's far easier, since the current state snapshot is 100% known so doing a bracket based on that has a bit of uncertainty, but not that much, whereas in weather, there's a current state of the model projections to the final state, but the uncertainty in those model projections is ginormous several days out, but keeps getting lower as one approaches the end state. But we're both analyzing the current state and speculating on what that would mean for the end state. I don't see how you can't see that.
And my main point isn't that I have any issue with you disagreeing with what I post, but I have an issue when you post incorrect info, like the models imploding 5 days out when that clearly happened about 4 days out, and make childish trolling posts in those threads aimed at "triggering" people which you admit to doing for fun, as per the quote below, which is the exact definition of trolling. I could easily do the same thing to your bracketology and other hoops threads, derailing them with misinformation and childish troll posts aimed at triggering you and others. I'm retired and have plenty of free time. Is that what you want? It's not what I want, as I actually enjoy all of your hoops threads/posts - all I want is for you to stick to the weather in the weather threads rather than derailing them every single time.
Yes, all the doom and gloom is well founded, however OP mention of "where the game announcers called out the Rutgers focus, seriousness and effort" is off-base. Yes, the announcers did indicate that but perhaps what is needed is to search for possible explanations for what we saw.
Have we seen games where this team lost but fought hard to the end? yes. So what is the difference between then and now?
Yes, I think seeing the NCAA dream dashed can be brutal but specifically to this game there is a larger problem that does not come down to heart or coaching, in-general. I see the problem as something strategic and technical.
I think Pike's D is based on player length and cutting off passing angles and being patient on D. And it is based on players being able to D up on multiple positions. I compare how Cliff played the 5 in this D vs anyone we have now.
Cliff, and Myles before him, would jump out on screens and make the guards adjust and then, quickly, would dive the lane to get back to rim protection and the defender he switched with wouldn't be on his man very long.
That doesn't happen now. Somerville and Dortch do not hedge hard and do not switch back. Nor do guards like Williams, stuck on a big man, look to switch back. Ogbole, for all his limitations, was better at this. Who's fault is this? Is it coaching? Is it the inexperience of the players or not playing together in this system long? I have no idea. But if you look for it, it is easy to see... win or lose.
Furthermore, Oregon's hot 3-point shooting required coming out of the Pike D. In the past, with experienced players in this D, the "envelope" of the D was large.. it could extend to the three-point line and beyond at times. These guys are not there. So, even executing the Pike D, they are more vulnerable to three-point shooting.
How officials call the game: Very few calls this game. Oregon was hands-on on D, grabbing, pushing, and shoving.. Rutgers played hands-off, as usual.. don't check the players.. check the passing lanes. Pushing Rutgers around, if you get away with it, is a sure way to beat us.
So, the doom and gloom is justified. These explanations are not excuses. But it does not mean these players have no heart or have given up. We have some weaknesses that can be exploited and we have had to witness that.
For the players' sake I hope they make the Big Ten tourney where they can show us their heart. But they won't make it there if they do not show us their heart over these last 5 games.
Have we seen games where this team lost but fought hard to the end? yes. So what is the difference between then and now?
Yes, I think seeing the NCAA dream dashed can be brutal but specifically to this game there is a larger problem that does not come down to heart or coaching, in-general. I see the problem as something strategic and technical.
I think Pike's D is based on player length and cutting off passing angles and being patient on D. And it is based on players being able to D up on multiple positions. I compare how Cliff played the 5 in this D vs anyone we have now.
Cliff, and Myles before him, would jump out on screens and make the guards adjust and then, quickly, would dive the lane to get back to rim protection and the defender he switched with wouldn't be on his man very long.
That doesn't happen now. Somerville and Dortch do not hedge hard and do not switch back. Nor do guards like Williams, stuck on a big man, look to switch back. Ogbole, for all his limitations, was better at this. Who's fault is this? Is it coaching? Is it the inexperience of the players or not playing together in this system long? I have no idea. But if you look for it, it is easy to see... win or lose.
Furthermore, Oregon's hot 3-point shooting required coming out of the Pike D. In the past, with experienced players in this D, the "envelope" of the D was large.. it could extend to the three-point line and beyond at times. These guys are not there. So, even executing the Pike D, they are more vulnerable to three-point shooting.
How officials call the game: Very few calls this game. Oregon was hands-on on D, grabbing, pushing, and shoving.. Rutgers played hands-off, as usual.. don't check the players.. check the passing lanes. Pushing Rutgers around, if you get away with it, is a sure way to beat us.
So, the doom and gloom is justified. These explanations are not excuses. But it does not mean these players have no heart or have given up. We have some weaknesses that can be exploited and we have had to witness that.
For the players' sake I hope they make the Big Ten tourney where they can show us their heart. But they won't make it there if they do not show us their heart over these last 5 games.
He is one of a few worth holding onto but not sure he should be eating up a large portion of our salary cap as one poster intimated. He needs to reshape his body and build more muscle to be effective in the post on both ends of the floor. I don't think he is mobile enough to be play the four unless we want to play zone exclusively on defense. I also have not seen evidence that he can be an effective player on the perimeter.
IDK. I think potential transfers and HS recruits who have other options will care and that's what matters most.
If you dont think analysts and other coaches are laughing at us when theyre not behind a mic on a camera youre out of your mind
Nah I don’t think they really care that much. We stink, but we’re not a doormat. Pikiell also has the respect of a lot of coaches. They also realize we are playing a bunch of freshman and our 2 lottery picks are being drafted on potential.
Our football program has been laughed at and ridiculed wayyy more than this basketball team will be.
That’s a fact.
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Do you remember when coaches would get to the mic after games and talk up how great a coach chris ash is and how he’d get it done? You think they were also saying that behind closed doors?
Do coaches ever get in front of a mic and rip the oppositions coach and laugh at them? No.
Youre out of your mind. And yes, RU football under ash was definitely ridiculed more behind closed doors than RU basketball has been this year. Deservingly so
Don’t care than much? So we’re back to being completely irrelevant?!
Also you forgot to mention “it’s the refs fault”, “it’s just bad luck this year”, and “if Ace and Dylan were just healthy all year”.
Keep burying your head in the sand and let’s see where we are in three years after the trend of the last three years. Can’t inbound the ball on a simple BLOB FIVE TIMES vs Iowa at home. SMH! Yea sure, no one is laughing at us. And recruits don’t look at that and go “man, I’d really rather play for a team with an offense that can go to the ncaas”
Of all the problems and concerns surrounding this season, being “laughed at” is not one of them. Sound like a bunch of 8 year olds.
You need to take a step away from the computer and get some fresh air.
Yea I don’t think the analysts care enough to be laughing at us. Pikiell has a ton of respect and goodwill from analysts and coaches - I’m sure they realize he screwed the pooch but also acknowledge there was way too much reliance on freshman and the supporting cast wasn’t sufficient.
We stunk this year and didn’t surround our true freshman stars with the supporting cast they deserved.
There’s blame to go around everywhere from the coaches, to the players and to the fans.
It’s not that complicated.
The season will be over soon, it’s okay buddy.
Are you the same guy that attacked any criticism...yeah how'd that work out
So, he can’t do anything we need him for. Agree. It ain’t about being a freshman. He’s a low D1 starter.
I need fresh air because you have blinders on?
Yea Pike has a lot of goodwill, and the 1976 final four still matters to recruits. Ask Andy Katz about goodwill. The honeymoon is over. And other coaches like him because they beat him. He has a 400 winning percentage in the B1G.
And how is it my fault as a fan? When Ewin was negotiating did I say no to a little more out or spite and pride? Was it me that couldn’t inbound the ball without a TO vs Iowa. Keep making excuses and enjoy the next few years. Mediocrity seems to suit you.
Not at all. In the midst of a hugely disappointing season some criticism is certainly expected and warranted.
What I object to is the absolute over-the-top rhetoric “Pike sucks, Pike blows, Fire him now, He’s done, It’s over” yadda, yadda, yadda. Thread after thread after thread, from the same cast of characters. But you know what, even if he’s not completely oblivious to it, Pikes is a big boy, he can take it.
I also think it sucks that the overly obnoxious criticism has been directed at virtually every player. Plenty of constructive commentary, but also tons of absolute mean-spirited shyte. And I know the new thing is “Well, they’re getting paid now so they’re fair game.” Just the latest excuse for poor behavior by supposed adults.
Example: in a recently posted thread citing Carino saying the Washington start time is a disgrace, one poster said “Rutgers basketball is a disgrace.” The program is a disgrace? I think that’s uncalled for. But right there with a big 👍 is our own Grantland Rice (aka bac2therac).
Calling a clean program that is towards the bottom but not at the bottom of its conference a "disgrace" is way over the top.
Disgrace is scandal.
To a lesser extent, disgrace is like #250+ kenpom ratings.
What we are watching is just standard issue bad.
Disgrace is scandal.
To a lesser extent, disgrace is like #250+ kenpom ratings.
What we are watching is just standard issue bad.
It also speaks to emotional overreaction; you won't find people in here calling Minnesota a "disgrace" despite being bad for 5 straight years now (and really, really bad one of those years).
Quickly AI described disgrace as “Being a disgrace" means to be so unacceptable or bad that it causes people to lose respect for you or your actions. Certainly subjective. If you think it’s overreacting you’re ok thinking that. But if you find not being able to inbounds the ball v Iowa disgraceful, or giggling during the alma mater after Iowa, or goofing off in warmups, or quitting on the floor you’re also right. It’s personal opinion.
I mean, if you interpret "lose respect" so broadly that it applies to just thinking a team is bad then there are like 100+ "disgraces" in D1 basketball every season.
Kind of removes the string from a term that is supposed to mean something more than that imo.
Respect fluox as you opened my eyes the other day when you said you’d rather miss the tourney but have the #1 coach than the #15. However here it’s a results thing for me again. If I’m a top 100 team with a losing record and no post season I’m equally as unhappy as a fan as if that was the 110th team, the 120th team, etc. being where we are with the talent we do have is disgraceful. It’s disgraceful watching guys quit on the court, even if we are technically top 100
You sure? He starts now for BYU and they beat kansas 91-57 last night. Mag played 19 minutes and had 13 efficient points. 3-4 from 3 and 2-2 from 2. Hes become a key player for them
He's starting now and here are his minutes played over the past 10 games
19
23
23
14
25
28
32
24
23
14
Past 10 games averaging about 23 minutes a night
Coaches tend to be gracious and there was no need to rip someone like Ash, whose continued employment in the league made all their lives that much easier.
But they really do respect Pikiell, who has at least proven something in his career. The trend line is moving away from sustained success, but he took over what was the worst program in major college basketball under Eddie Jordan, made it respectable, and then got them into the NCAAs for the first time in, what, 30 years? No one thinks he's Dean Smith, but people in the profession respect him, without a doubt.
As far as the media -- reporters, announcers, studio hosts -- they're not laughing at Rutgers. It's February 19; they've all moved on and turned their attention to teams that are vying to make the NCAAs. To the extent they think about Rutgers at all is to briefly think, "hey, that turned out to be a disappointment," but really, they're not spending too much time or thought on it. It's just not the way it works. That storyline about the team with two top-five pics not making the NCAAs is already played out because I think most accepted it a while ago. It's on to what's happening now.
He's 6th in minutes since they started conference play, and has started their last eleven games averaging 22.7 min and 7.1 pts since then. Looks like he's moved up in the rotation after the first half of the year.
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