Some of the thoughts on this thread are just ridiculous. Can we let the kid get on campus and play in a few games before we say what he is or isn’t.
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~15th pick, 4 years $18M, with first two years guaranteed?
That's about what Hood-Schifino will be looking at from mock drafts and 2022 contracts
People really think "Gavin's not that type of kid, he'd rather get his degree, play with Dylan and Ace, build the program" etc? Are his parents billionaires and he doesn't have a care in the world about money? That's about the only way I see that being realistic.
Also - no matter how much he loves Pike or Rutgers, he grew up with a dream of playing in the NBA (they all do) and not with a dream of playing for Pike at Rutgers
"small forward" - lol, have you seen him play? He brought the ball up the court at times for his EYBL team and quite often for his HS team. We will see him rebound and lead the fast break as well as bring the ball up the court at times next season.You're missing the point by comparing a Combo guard to a Small forward in terms of getting drafted. Hood-Schifino is a guard, who needs his athletic abilities to get him onto a NBA roster....he's not going to get faster or taller by staying at Indiana....if you're a guard, your looking at a totally different entry point with scouts.
As a wing forward, which is what Gavin is, unless he has elite athletic abilities to not only catch and shoot, but also has the athletic ability to create his own shot AND get by bigger/stronger defense, with quickness and burst, that player is not a 1 & done.
Ace Bailey projects on every scout level to be a 1 & done type of talent/athlete. It will not matter what type of offense he plays in at college, this isn't college football, translating to the NFL. In scouts eyes, you have to be able to get your own offense against elite defensive players.
And certain kids are interested in college basketball and winning and getting a degree, vs a projected or potentially bad draft status thats not guaranteed. Draft boards change all the time. There is no doubt that he's going to be at RU for 3 years and helping RU build to new levels.
This is the big fact in making and being drafted for the NBA..... I sat right next to an NBA GM at the Big Ten tournament. We talked for almost 5 hours straight about college and NBA basketball and many of the players that play in both now.In scouts eyes, you have to be able to get your own offense against elite defensive players.
Do you think Gavin is just a catch-and-shoot guy?This is the big fact in making and being drafted for the NBA..... I sat right next to an NBA GM at the Big Ten tournament. We talked for almost 5 hours straight about college and NBA basketball and many of the players that play in both now.
The above point was the most important point in being drafted for the NBA he told me. This GM revealed many things to me and he is with one of the best teams in the NBA and was named the top executive in the NBA a short time ago.
Best of Luck,
Groz
Not at all based on his videos.Do you think Gavin is just a catch-and-shoot guy?
This is a pretty awesome topic to be speculating about. A question where every possible answer is good for us.
What I'm saying is, if he has similar numbers to Hood-Schifino, and I think that's likely, he'll be one and done and picked similarly to where Hoo-Shifino is projected and that will be really good for Rutgers.Not at all based on his videos.
Best of Luck,
Groz
There's obviously a scenario Gavin leaves without a degree. He has a good freshman year and breakout sophomore year and is a 1st round pick. You can't just dismiss that as not a possibility even if you don't think it's likely. It's a realistic scenario that could happenGavin probably slots in at around 11 to 12 PPG, if he plays starter minutes (26 to 28 MPG).
How effective he is or isn't will depend on what players are on the court with him. The more defensive players who can get deflections and steals, might be able to get RU back on track with layups in transition... the lack of footspeed on this past year's roster, will not help Gavin, if it's another slower footed roster around him.
A roster with a Taran Armstrong type guard from the transfer portal, stepping in for Mulcahy, mixed with Simpson and his ability to push the ball, will allow Gavin to roam and find spots to shoot.
Gavin (to me) isn't close to a 1 and done type of talent or has that type of mindset of getting to the fastest path of being a 2nd round or Free Agent on a NBA level. He's more grounded and is interested in winning games at the college level, definitely interested in teaming up with Ace Bailey, Deliquan Warren and hopefully Dylan Harper and Tyler Betsey etc.
The longer Gavin plays at RU, the better RUs program becomes. I don't see a situation where Gavin comes to RU and bypasses getting a degree, so I would guess with a very high level of confidence, he's at RU a minimum of 3 seasons.
I understand that, I believe he'll gain weight if that's what you mean by physical maturation.Milo, I think what your analysis is missing is that body type and physical maturity come into play here even more than the numbers.
Carmelo was a fine college player, not a great one. It was his body and how he could use it that made him one and done.
That's what's missing from Gavin right now. When he gets drafted will depend largely upon his physical maturation.
How was Carmelo not a great standout college player when he carried Syracuse on his back to win a national championship?Milo, I think what your analysis is missing is that body type and physical maturity come into play here even more than the numbers.
Carmelo was a fine college player, not a great one. It was his body and how he could use it that made him one and done.
That's what's missing from Gavin right now. When he gets drafted will depend largely upon his physical maturation.
I'm talking about the debate over whether GG will be here more than 1-2 years.Not to be mean, but any outcome where Hyatt turns out to be the best we’ve got to start at the 3 would not be a good situation for us unless Hyatt’s game takes significant strides in many areas in the off season. We have to hope someone not on the 2022-23 roster moves into the starting line up (GG or other) to replace Caleb.
Wondering if anyone can name a few five star players in the last 5 years who stayed at one school for 3 seasons or more?I'm talking about the debate over whether GG will be here more than 1-2 years.
That's just because none of them tried New Brunswick!Wondering if anyone can name a few five star players in the last 5 years who stayed at one school for 3 seasons or more?
There's obviously a scenario Gavin leaves without a degree. He has a good freshman year and breakout sophomore year and is a 1st round pick. You can't just dismiss that as not a possibility even if you don't think it's likely. It's a realistic scenario that could happen
I don't think many people are saying he will be one and doneThe interesting thing in all this back and forth on Gavin has been when he was the 30th ranked player and a 4* no one was talking about him being 1 and done. Then he moves up 10 spots in the rankings to 20th but also gets an extra star and suddenly he has to be one and done according to many...lol.
The player hasn't changed, just your perceptions of him.
You must have comprehension issues....I didn't dismiss anything. I am saying that a player is going to be a multi year starter and needs to get significantly stronger and playing in an elite league, has to develop to stick in the NBA. I don't see that type of path, especially if Dylan, Ace and others arrive at RU.
Most kids need 2 years and the better more consistent NBA players (like Nova produced under Jay Wright), played 3 and 4 years in college. This notion that if you're not draftable early in your college career, is an issue, is 100% wrong.
Jalen Brunson, Mikeal Bridges, Josh Hart and Donte Divicenzo are ALL multiple year 1st and 2nd team all Big East kids. They weren't all drafted high, but we're developed and learned the game at the college level. None of the 4 entered college as a can't miss NBA player.
There is a difference between having reasonable expectations for Gavin and how exactly is a player with 3 more talented players on the roster, going to outplay those players?? I am assuming that Dylan, Ace Bailey and let's hypothetically say a Tyler Betsey all arrive in 2024.
There are players that need development and to improve. It is not a knock on the prospect, I am just watching the amount of talent across CBB and it takes time to become a true Pro, maybe that means 3 full seasons of development and improvement.
He is going to have to be able to do more than shoot, drive to be a NBA player. There are hundreds of college kids who can shoot. How well does a player understand the game, and other aspects matters
I don't see a situation where Gavin comes to RU and bypasses getting a degree, so I would guess with a very high level of confidence, he's at RU a minimum of 3 seasons.
The interesting thing in all this back and forth on Gavin has been when he was the 30th ranked player and a 4* no one was talking about him being 1 and done. Then he moves up 10 spots in the rankings to 20th but also gets an extra star and suddenly he has to be one and done according to many...lol.
The player hasn't changed, just your perceptions of him.
Thank you for this. I convinced me to unwatch this threadMost kids need 2 years and the better more consistent NBA players (like Nova produced under Jay Wright), played 3 and 4 years in college.
I saw him play and he was far from the best player on the court many nights but probably the best pro.How was Carmelo not a great standout college player when he carried Syracuse on his back to win a national championship?
As far as GG, if he is drafted it will be based on his potential, particularly as a 3 point shooter, not based on where his body is at a point in time. Was Chet Holmgram physically ready for the NBA when he was drafted 2nd last year? Is this year’s consensus number 1 pick, Victor Wembanyama physically ready for the NBA? Both are much thinner than Gavin is now, and Gavin will likely put on 20 pounds between n and when he is first eligible for the draft.
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Bryan Antoine. He was consensus 5-star in 2019. Played three seasons at Villanova. Now at Radford.Wondering if anyone can name a few five star players in the last 5 years who stayed at one school for 3 seasons or more?
Carmelo averaged over 22 points and 10 rebounds a game in his one college season. Who was playing better than him?I saw him play and he was far from the best player on the court many nights but probably the best pro.
I had a former coach walk me through the difference between what he was and what he did. Changed my eye for players.
And I am not debating how long Gavin will be here. It will be what it will be. And physical maturity will play an important role. Everyone is different. He may or may not be ready after a year. He might benefit from a second year of seasoning in a college environment. Time will tell.
I think this is going to be the theme. The guys who qualify had significant season ending injuries. Very rarely if ever do guys play 3 mostly full seasons at their school out of high school.The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Bryan Antoine. He was consensus 5-star in 2019. Played three seasons at Villanova. Now at Radford.
He was 16th in NBA and 4th in BE that season.Carmelo averaged over 22 points and 10 rebounds a game in his one college season. Who was playing better than him?
I can’t believe someone typed this to the public lolHe was 16th in NBA and 4th in BE that season.
I wasn't putting him down. He was a fine player. I wouldn't use great to describe his college career placed in context. But it was chat to everyone he would be an outstanding pro.
I'm not sure why you are arguing with me.
Ok, I guess you've moved the standards to where a single second team all America season qualifies as great.I can’t believe someone typed this to the public lol
If I remember, Douby didn't start playing basketball till his sophomore year of high school and was still raw in many areas, specifically ball handling.
I’ll take his offense over his defensive “obstacles” every day and twice on SundayThe thing about it is that Caleb is gone. The usual obstacles for frosh starting are defense and ball handling decision making. The incumbent competition at the 3 is:
A) Hyatt - it’s hard to imagine him being a materially better defender than anyone. We’re in trouble if that’s the case. He’s also a walking turnover on the perimeter. So again, if Gavin is notably worse at these things that’s bad news.
B) Mag - will be recovering from injury.
Ok - let’s flip it. You tell me which of Hyatt’s attributes you stylistically prefer over Caleb. If your going to say you think he’d be better suited to handle the ball regularly than Caleb because he committed less turnovers the rest of the board will laugh you off a cliff.I don’t see it this way tbh. Seems like a lot of rationalization based on style preference.
That's why Hyatt is so replaceable. He doesn't excel at anything. Not even sure what his best attribute is... probably defensive rebounding for his heightOk - let’s flip it. You tell me which of Hyatt’s attributes you stylistically prefer over Caleb. If your going to say you think he’d be better suited to handle the ball regularly than Caleb because he committed less turnovers the rest of the board will laugh you off a cliff.
Hyatt a slightly better 3 point shooter. That’s the only “upgrade” except even that probably over hyped because Caleb only attempted like 60 or so 3s many of which he was forced to hoist up with the ball in his hands as the clock was expiring. For the most part, Caleb knew that wasn’t his role. Meanwhile playing 11 less minutes a game Hyatt attempted close to 150 3s and only shot 30% on them. If this is our reason for playing him I go back to my original point - we’re in trouble if that’s the best we have at the 3. He’s a downgrade from Caleb in every other area no matter your “stylistic” spin. I’m sure at this point even Shelby realizes this and he was Caleb’s biggest critic throughout the season. Geez
This is not my argument.Ok - let’s flip it. You tell me which of Hyatt’s attributes you stylistically prefer over Caleb. If your going to say you think he’d be better suited to handle the ball regularly than Caleb because he committed less turnovers the rest of the board will laugh you off a cliff.
Hyatt a slightly better 3 point shooter. That’s the only “upgrade” except even that probably over hyped because Caleb only attempted like 60 or so 3s many of which he was forced to hoist up with the ball in his hands as the clock was expiring. For the most part, Caleb knew that wasn’t his role. Meanwhile playing 11 less minutes a game Hyatt attempted close to 150 3s and only shot 30% on them. If this is our reason for playing him I go back to my original point - we’re in trouble if that’s the best we have at the 3. He’s a downgrade from Caleb in every other area no matter your “stylistic” spin. I’m sure at this point even Shelby realizes this and he was Caleb’s biggest critic throughout the season. Geez
Very interesting. It does scare me to start or even play 2 freshman a significant amount. 18 year olds vs 22 years olds isn’t a winning formula. That being said, those two guys are going to be very good. I can wait to watch the young guys coming in!Interesting lineup next year could be:
Cliff
Baye
GG
Cam
Simpson
On offense…Two excellent 3pt shooters, speedy point guard who can penetrate, a true power forward (he’ll need some muscle though to bang down low consistently in the BIG) who can penetrate and finish (by finish I mean dunk on your head), a center who is now developing some polish around the rim with midrange developing.
On defense…Two rim protectors, a steals phenom, a quick disruptive guard, a long small forward with sneaky quick feet.
If this scares you, wait until 2024.Very interesting. It does scare me to start or even play 2 freshman a significant amount. 18 year olds vs 22 years olds isn’t a winning formula. That being said, those two guys are going to be very good. I can wait to watch the young guys coming in!
Tore mine 50 years ago. Never had surgery. Fine today.How can an ACL heal without surgery?
I was watching some Baye highlights earlier and as the saying goes, he’s a problem. Hopefully he’s got someone feeding him dozens of catch and shoot 3’s every day because if he can shoot 33% from deep next year I think he’ll play a lot. Mag needs to take his time.Very interesting. It does scare me to start or even play 2 freshman a significant amount. 18 year olds vs 22 years olds isn’t a winning formula. That being said, those two guys are going to be very good. I can wait to watch the young guys coming in!