GG to portal?
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was that a fake post I read very recently in which GG said he was Ru all the way and would never go portal?
That’s fine, and I know parents can be insane about their kids, but no reasonable (even very biased) person feels significantly different about Pikiell’s coaching than he did 12 months ago.
You think Danny Hurley is gonna have a player that lost on defense play for him? LoL
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Should Gavin leave , it’s a major indictment and PR nightmare for Pike and Staff.
You can’t have a 5* whose family was “ in love / strongly bonded “ with Pike now depart after 1 year.
Furthermore the continued lack of development of skilled players (add Cliff) is a major impediment / problem for this staff.
And to get down negatively on Gavin when he had no effective PG to set him up / had teammates that froze him out quite often and had to endure a dysfunctional locker room is very unfair.
Gavin is going to be a real good player. It ll be a shame if we lose him.
You can’t have a 5* whose family was “ in love / strongly bonded “ with Pike now depart after 1 year.
Furthermore the continued lack of development of skilled players (add Cliff) is a major impediment / problem for this staff.
And to get down negatively on Gavin when he had no effective PG to set him up / had teammates that froze him out quite often and had to endure a dysfunctional locker room is very unfair.
Gavin is going to be a real good player. It ll be a shame if we lose him.
Not a 5 Star for one. A 4 Star. The indictment is his ball handling, shooting, being scared of contact and defense. If he enters and other teams start looking at his game tape they will see the deficiencies, not a HS Ranking or 4 Star Rating. The fact that he was a former 4 star may get them interested , until they watch actual games.
I don't think any B1G coach that played against him would be interested.
I mean - I hear what your saying, but GG probably thought he would be starting this past year and it didn’t work out. We can’t promise him that for next year. Absolutely have to be in a position to recruit an experienced starting guard/wing. It’s probably unavoidable that he’ll ultimately feel like he’s being recruited over unless we only target a center and utility players. I’m not sure there’s much we can do here.
This is a fair argument, and would be a great argument up until about a year ago. Now, everyone just out for the "bag," as many put it. Makes pro sports a lot better actually because at least there's a contract. Now, you can just bolt whenever.
They'll be interested, but will try to get him cheap based on performance to date in college.
As much as GG has potential, HC Pike can't go into next year EXPECTING a certain level of production from GG and guarantee a starting spot at this stage.
Offer him the opportunity to compete but HC Pike needs to look to upgrade the roster.
Is the expectation that GG would start (and more importantly close games) next year with JWill. Harper, Ace and Center?
That can't be a set in stone thing right now unfortunately.
Sure, because Gavin torn up the B1G this year. Loved his shooting and defense. Especially, that part when he looked lost or watched his man go right past him.
There are so many good proven players or there that can be bought. Perceived playing time could be the biggest factor. If we bring in someone who averaged double digits and started at guard / wing, he’s competing with that kid along with JMike for minutes.
I like the faith but the jury is still out if GG will ever be a "real good player." 37% from 2, 28% from 3, 60% from the line, more turnovers than assists. He has to take a leap next year. And we are in a weird spot having two all-time recruits coming in that are one-and-dones.
It’s worse even than this. Pike can’t be targeting a mediocre player who might be able to challenge Gavin. He has to be out there seeking to bring in a kid who will project to start over Gavin right now. He has no choice, because, you know - Gavin shot 28% from 3 and 32% from everywhere. So any good player we bring in is going to have stats that blow away Gavin’s for now. That’s the problem.
Why recruit high school kids now when all you have to do is hit the portal with cash every year
Agree on the PR / bad look if Gavin transfers out but your post put no responsibility on Gavin himself.
Ultimately he was responsible for his play all season. Last time I checked a point guard doesn’t have anything to do with missing wide open shots, not knowing how to play defense and not looking physically or mentally ready for BIG basketball for about 80% of the season.
Gavin was given plenty of opportunity and minutes all year. He did finally start to show some confidence and improvement in the last few games which was encouraging and can be built off of going into next year…you’re laying too much blame on his supporting cast and the locker room for his shortcomings this season.
and thats the problem...id like a guy in the system who has been here and can be used after the sugar rush of ace and dylan leave. That Pike had a close relationship with Gavin for years and now he wants to bolt isnt a good thing, its not like Pike wants him to leave
or perhaps he saw Pike play a bunch of untalented players ahead of him which hurt his growth early on...lets face it..noah, derek and hyatt were not good..and yes I include Hyatt in that
tough to develop when those players are your teammates and prioritized over you
what did noah or derek ever do to deserve those minutes. what did hyatt ever do to deserve to start
the whole strategy to this season was a mess
the fact that Pike brought back Hyatt and was using him a starter is a major red flag for me
What wide open shots ? Never had a single open jump shot within 25 ft of the hoop because the selfish guards didn’t set him up for any. And of course Cliff shot almost every time he touched it and didn’t pass to open players.
He was the odd man out on the court, mostly ignored.
Pikes shitshow schoolyard offense with guards who didn’t pass didn’t do him any favors and if he thinks that will happen again he should leave yesterday to a good passing team. Purdue, UConn, Michigan State, Creighton to name a few.
The offense was a disgrace, and not because of him.
Richie’s podcast was pretty fair and reasonable. Honestly, can’t fault Gavin for taking the plan for his utilization next year seriously - players should be holding coaches accountable for how their careers will develop.
I suspect this will pass. If Gavin were about the money, he’d already be done.
Clueless is being up in arms about losing a guy who couldn't defend if his life depended on it and apparently can't shoot either.
I think pike is gonna crash and burn but those holding gg against him are clueless morons
Personally, I hope this is BS and he is staying. I saw some positive development during the last 10 games and believe with a steady dose of strength and conditioning, he will take a major step forward next season.
Bac - I’m not disagreeing that Noah, Derek and Hyatt all stunk this year (I personally didn’t want to see another year of Hyatt).
But let’s not pretend that Gavin didn’t get PLENTY of opportunity this year. He averaged 18 minutes a game. He looked like a deer in headlights out there for most of the season - why exactly did he deserve more minute other than the fact that he was rated so highly?
Noah, Simpson, Hyatt etc. didn’t stop Gavin from making open shots, playing solid defense or looking like he belonged out there.
And I’m not trying to hate on Gavin at all. I want him to stay and actually think he could have a great career at Rutgers.
I just think it’s ridiculous to point fingers at his struggles to Pikiell and the rest of the team and not put any responsibility on Gavin himself.
Gavin Griffin's started the year in the starting lineup.
Unfortunately, it went from bad to worse until it reached the point where he was unplayable against good teams.
He’s a freshman. Some take longer to develop than others.
Towards the end of the season his play improved significantly
If you think Gavin was given every opportunity to succeed , you’re grossly mistaken.
He was pulled by every next tv timeout. Miss a shot - yanked ! Miss a defensive assignment - yanked. !
Yet Derek , Hyatt and others could miss shots left and right with no ramifications.
For freshman to develop , they need to play; they need to have upper classmen guide them and not to spurn them.
Further they need an offensive system to help them develop not the dumpster fire that we all witnessed.
Stopped reading right there.
You either didn’t watch a single game this year or are just posting like a fool.
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I want Gavin to stay, but:
(1) he was not a five star
(2) you guys are in ****ing fantasy land thinking he didn’t get enough time this season. He was bad on both sides of the ball and got 18 minutes a game on pure potential alone
HE PLAYED 18 MINUTES A ****ING GAME. He played the 6th most minutes on the team.
I mean obviously it would’ve been ideal had we not had the 300th best offense but on the other hand had Gavin lived up to even a tiny bit of his hype and not an effective field goal percentage of 39.8% maybe we would’ve been slightly better.
You clowns keep pretending Gavin was lighting it up on offense and benched for defense. That’s not even in the same universe as reality.
I’d like him to take the leap with us and not elsewhere.
Caleb wasn’t any good his freshman year but he worked his ass off and improved himself.
Gavin is much more talented / showed improvement at the end of the year and deserves an opportunity to prove himself with better talent and hopefully a cohesive functional locker room.
I think that Gavin will be a great player if he stays at Rutgers. He started to look the part in the last few games of the season - he just needed time to develop. The problem is that people expect instant results due to the nonsense we have in college sports now, where players have NIL agents and social media amplifies everyone’s opinions. We need to fix this mess sooner rather than later.
You probably have a point about being yanked too early or quickly in situations throughout the season…but on the flip side, a major goal of the season is to make the tournament. Gavin was struggling so bad and looked completely lost out there that it was apparent if we were to try and finish in the top half of the BIG his minutes/role wasn’t going to be what everyone thought it would be (based off his ranking and hype).
I agree about freshman needing time to develop which is why I had no problem with his minutes being cut for most of the year based on his play.
Gavin got more than a fair shake this season and when the season was clearly lost Pikiell rightly ramped up his minutes.
If Gavin is contemplating transferring based on this past seasons minutes / opportunity I don’t think you can blame Pikiell.
Now if he wants to transfer because he doesn’t see how he fits into next years lineup or because he is questioning Pikiell and staff’s offensive philosophy I think that’s a different discussion.
Caleb had an efg% of 49.2% his Freshman year and played 15 minutes per game.
For those keeping track at home that’s a (much) higher and lower number than Gavin’s, respectively
