Greg Schiano's first Five Years- Year 1- Four Blowouts
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Again you do realize that Hicks was one of the Top backs in the country and 2nd in the B1G in 3rd and short conversions last year??
Wouldn't you want that player called against Iowa first and goal instead of ridiculous pitches and QB runs and pitches?
Martin lead the B1G in yards after first hit!
Maybe get them the ball in space and play to our strengths instead of the silly blocking or no talent excuse.
Talent is there. We didn't harness what we had.
Oh yeah And I saw Hicks save the Army game with an interception in the end zone on defense! No talent there!
Wouldn't you want that player called against Iowa first and goal instead of ridiculous pitches and QB runs and pitches?
Martin lead the B1G in yards after first hit!
Maybe get them the ball in space and play to our strengths instead of the silly blocking or no talent excuse.
Talent is there. We didn't harness what we had.
Oh yeah And I saw Hicks save the Army game with an interception in the end zone on defense! No talent there!
Inherited a top 40 program? We won 4 games last year. What team were you watching?
I hope you are right but Maryland beat MSU and hammered Purdue. I am not angry so much about the top 10 as I am about scoring once against Illinois, not at all against MSU...
My issue is more with the comparison to what GS inherited...Flood was god awful but to say a B1G program that went to bowl games we all remember is the same as inheriting what GS did in 2001 is just way off base.
Last year we sucked.
Greg inherited a program that had never won a bowl game, had the worst facilities in America, in the worst conference, no fanbase, and how many players on current on NFL rosters...
Ash inherited a program that went to a bowl all but twice since 2005, had good facilities, in the best conference, with a sizeable fanbase, and could point to a legion of players on Sunday.
It is not a good comparison.
Did you notice Michigan State held tOSU to TWO touchdowns the week after we played them? MSU finally gelled and they are playing like the MSU of old. Hope they rip PSU to shreds this coming week.
The quote was he inherited a top 40 program. A top 40 program is on the fringe of getting votes for the top 25. We were maybe top 80 last year. Has nothing to do with Schiano.
I am sort of sorry I started this thread.
80? 102? Does it really matter? We were trending down. Why does it matter anyway? Even if we were top 20 last year, we changed offensive scheme, and we were expected to take a step back.
80? 102? Does it really matter? We were trending down. Why does it matter anyway? Even if we were top 20 last year, we changed offensive scheme, and we were expected to take a step back.
Sort of sorry you started this thread??? You? I doubt it. You have started 5 new threads today alone!
Are you honestly comparing the team Schiano took over with players that could barely compete in DII with Ash's team? Thats insane...
There's a difference, for sure, but no nearly as big as some here want to think. Throw into it the fact that Ash is facing a much more difficult schedule than Greg ever did - 11th SOS right now; see Greg's SOS's below - and I don't think the 2 situations are AS far apart as some would think. Not the same - agree - but not completely different either IMHO in terms of on-field stuff. Greg, obviously, had a ton more off-field stuff to do to build the program. No question.
RU SOS (Sagarin) Greg's 1st 6-years:
2001 - 75th
2002 - 51st
2003 - 66th
2004 - 68th
2005 - 80th
2006 - 58th
Actually, you selectively misquoted the guy and then quoted your own misquote. He said:
Program means all-encompassing, not just the 2015 team. The easiest way to explain it is Michigan State. They're having a terrible year, but they're 100% a top 40 program. Beyond coaches and players, they have decent facilities, good administration, a history of winning, and strong fan support based on the attendance we saw for a 2-7 team playing another 2-7 team.
If Alabama went 0-12 next year, they'd still be a top 10 program. It would take multiple years of mediocrity to change that.
Edit: the top 70 programs in the country would probably be all of the P5, plus the best of the G5. WMU is having a better year, but they don't have a better program than say LSU or Stanford.
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Is because you had unrealistic expectations. In other words, YOU'RE WRONG.
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. HA.
Not me. I expected what we got. There were all kinds of reasons not to expect much this season. There are all kinds of reasons why next season is likely to be a rough one too. Better, but still very rough.
How many of the current players on our roster played in that last bowl game, I wonder. Not very many, right? And under which coach did they spend the most time? Flood, right?
Where the team went in 2005 has absolutely nothing to do with what Ash inherited in 2016. I mean, c'mon now.
I've been thinking the same way as you....not next yr but the year after....19....I'll be 67...will I live to enjoy the next renaissance???I hope so...I'm just turning 65....RU?....LOL
Just a guess, but I bet Oden got more snaps on Saturday.
Well Hamilton did. JPO. Joseph. Muller, Denman. Nelson. Martin, Hicks Goodwin. Patton. Agudosi. Tsimis, Arci. Turay. Cioffi.
Is 15 not that many?
MSU 16 OSU 17....MSU is better than advertised and were not...let's see how it shakes out in a yr or two?
No but it is something. I'm sure you've heard this, but this is the first season we've been shutout 4 times in one season in 80 years. That's impressively ugly.
It's ugly. But scoring three or seven points is still ugly. I'm not losing sleep over it, although the players and coaches might be.
Things will get better. What's the point on dwelling on the negatives?
Yes, the schedule was weaker in 2001, mostly due to the games against much weaker mid/bottom level teams, since the top 4 RU faced in 2001 were all top 20 teams, like we faced this year - at best, this year's top 4 might be slightly tougher than 2001's top 4, but that's immaterial as neither this year's team nor 2001's was ready to compete with top teams.
However, what that says to me is that, as I've said elsewhere, Schiano inherited much less talent than Ash did, which is why we still went 2-9 against a mediocre to weak schedule, including blowouts to some of them. On the other hand, the much tougher bottom/middle of our schedule this year is why, despite having more talent than in 2001, we'll still likely only end up with 2 wins, as we did in 2001.
I'm ok with "ending the myth" that the 2001 schedule was tougher than 2016's if others are willing to "end the myth" that the talent cupboard left by Flood is as bare as that left for Schiano - that's complete BS, as I don't know if there has ever been a less talented team than what Schiano inherited from Shea.
Unfortunately, being in the B1G-East, we could have top 30 talent and regularly go 6-6, whereas top 30 talent in the old BE (or old B1G) would mean 9-3. Keep in mind, though, that that's a relatively recent development, as the B1G and the BE back in the Schiano years, were often rated very similarly, i.e., between 4th and 6th out of the power conferences, unlke the past few years, when the B1G has been one of the top 2-3 conferences, overall. Timing is everything...
"Is because?" Like I said at the tailgate, time for some remedial writing lessons...
Yes, is because. The obviously implied "it" is so completely unnecessary that grammar rules will soon be adjusted to eliminate it in that specific context. I'm just a man ahead of his time.
In 2001 we played (EDIT) 4 teams that finished ranked: Miami at 1, 'cuse at 14, VT at 18 and BC at 21. This season, when all is said-and-done, we will likely have played 3 top 8'ish teams (OSU, Mich, Wash) and a top 15 (PSU). IMHO that's a HUGE difference in the top 4 teams each squad had to face.
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This year: Michigan, tOSU, MSU, Penn State: 224-0
2001: Miami; Virginia Tech; WVU; Pitt: 233-7.
Larger margin of loss to 4 inferior teams in 2001.
Cheer up, it could be worse.
The point of the thread was not a comparative analysis of 2001 versus this year, which is where this thread went.
The point is we are rebuilding, and if history is any guide (and there are other examples like Colorado, WMU, and others), things should turn around in years 3 and 4. Patience.
Most people probably don't realize it, but during it's existence as a football conference, the Big East won the same number of national championships as the Big Ten did during that span. (They both won one and a half, the halves being due to split polls.) For a stretch until recently, the B1G was overrated. Unfortunately for us, they turned things around just as we arrived.
Thank you. Also everybody seems to forget that we lost 80-7 to a WVU team that went 3-8 on the season.
When you are in the midst of it, it is not dwelling. This is merely commenting on reality.
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