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Lol I agree with some of this
But you can't give up on the season as a coaching staff. I felt the same way last year and then the team went on a run until mag got hurt. So let's see what the coaches come up with. Playing Simpson more is not the answer. Fernandes is someone that can get hot and hopefully as he gets into better shape and more removed from his injury, he will become more consistent.
Totally wrong take. Play Simpson more and Fernandez less. Simpson is missing too many shots, but he is able to create good shots with his quickness. Fernandez shots are usually forced, and Simpson is better than Noah at most other aspects of the game, plus he is several inches taller and maybe the quickest guard in the B1G, and a better defender. Zero reasons to play Noah more minutes than Simpson, especially if the season gets out of hand and you expect Simpson to be a big part of next year's team - zero.
 
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Lol I agree with some of this
But you can't give up on the season as a coaching staff. I felt the same way last year and then the team went on a run until mag got hurt. So let's see what the coaches come up with. Playing Simpson more is not the answer. Fernandes is someone that can get hot and hopefully as he gets into better shape and more removed from his injury, he will become more consistent.

The point of my post was to not seek answers for this year, as I don’t think they have any. They bought a bill of goods with Noah and it appears they bought a lemon. Noah is not the 100% blame for this team’s issues, they have many issues. I don’t care if Simpson is not an answer for this year, I want him developed with more game experience for next year. My concern is next year at this point as this group does not have the answers to pass the test for this season. We’re asking the wrong questions when we ask, what can be done to turn this season around? The questions should be, what can we do to be as best prepared for the 2024-25 season? Let’s place focus on those that will be back here next year and play them. I have as much allegiance to Noah as Cam Spencer had for Rutgers. We can still play him, let’s just scale his minutes back some and give more to guys we need next season. It’s not like Noah has been an amazing revelation thus far this year. Neither has Simpson for that matter. My point is, at some point coaches will realize this season is lost and they’ll move on. Am I being ridiculous and is there no chance the coaching staff would do this right now? Of course. But, it doesn’t change my opinion that this season is lost from an NCAA tourney appearance perspective. Thus, let’s focus on minutes and development for players who are needed next year. JMike and Simpson will be here, Noah won’t. Let’s play Chol some, we have seen Oskar enough….great guy, but short on talent….let’s get Chol experience and see if he is any good or not. Can Chol come off the bench next season and be a part of the rotation and play a SMALL ROLE similar to Oskar? Let’s get him experience and do some evaluation on him. If Ogbole gets healthy and plays half a season, let’s give him legit backup center minutes behind Cliff and see if he can play and give him experience. We may as well get something out of this season by emphasizing players gaining experience that benefits next season.
 
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Totally wrong take. Play Simpson more and Fernandez less. Simpson is missing too many shots, but he is able to create good shots with his quickness. Fernandez shots are usually forced, and Simpson is better than Noah at most other aspects of the game, plus he is several inches taller and maybe the quickest guard in the B1G, and a better defender. Zero reasons to play Noah more minutes than Simpson, especially if the season gets out of hand and you expect Simpson to be a big part of next year's team - zero.
I want to be kind and respectful with my words because I know we've had disagreements about Simpson over the summer. I'm assuming you're related some how so I'll say I agree with you guys that developing promising players should be the priority.
 
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Yup. I love the excitement, but a lot of fans need to temper it with the knowledge that, no matter what, the incoming class will still be freshmen coming into a completely new team dynamic.
If the team will be any good staff needs to attack the portal this year. Now with knowledge of what you'll need in the portal from early on. Should be able to get some nice pieces. No way all these other teams can construct whole rosters out of the portal and Rutgers can't get a big man that can rebound and a 3 and d player.
 
If the team will be any good staff needs to attack the portal this year. Now with knowledge of what you'll need in the portal from early on. Should be able to get some nice pieces. No way all these other teams can construct whole rosters out of the portal and Rutgers can't get a big man that can rebound and a 3 and d player.

We will know what Gavin is next year. We should have great floor spacing with DHarp and Ace. I think Gavin is going to kill it next year. As for the portal, I agree 💯. Go get a real dog who is willing to bang underneath, rebound, and be content to score without having anything run for him. We could use an adult at guard too but I’m assuming JWill fills that role.
 
Totally agree. He also needs to play more. Our so called “offense” isn’t doing him any favors right now either. He’s basically asked to create for himself, which isn’t doing much for his confidence right now but the skills and ability are totally there. As you said…he needs strength and confidence (and more reps)…and his defense isn’t much worse than a few others who play a lot more
In college you earn minutes. He’s shooting 40% overall, 28% from 3 and 50% from the ft. And offense is the best part of his game. He’s struggling on defense and turning the ball over. He is going to be good, but you can’t force it. It will eventually click, forcing it early will hurt him and the team.
 
In college you earn minutes. He’s shooting 40% overall, 28% from 3 and 50% from the ft. And offense is the best part of his game. He’s struggling on defense and turning the ball over. He is going to be good, but you can’t force it. It will eventually click, forcing it early will hurt him and the team.

Complete agree - need to earn minutes.
The funny thing is that it’s only Gavin threads where this is said.

Now go through Clif, Davis, Noah, Simpson, Mag (3-10 and 1rb Saturday)
They are all “earning” more minutes?

Gavin is 7th in mpg.
 
If the team will be any good staff needs to attack the portal this year. Now with knowledge of what you'll need in the portal from early on. Should be able to get some nice pieces. No way all these other teams can construct whole rosters out of the portal and Rutgers can't get a big man that can rebound and a 3 and d player.

Completely agree. Attack the portal early. No waiting on guys this time around to make decisions. Go and improve the team and plug in gaps that need filling. If players return, then they return and we figure it out. Not saying we act like Pitino and kick players out like SJU to bring in new ones. I assume JMike and Gavin return with little concern for portal entry, hope Mag is back and not entering portal, I assume Derek comes back but who knows, I assume Jeremiah returns, Cliff who knows and at this point he should not hold us up from pulling a trigger in the portal if someone is available. If upgraded players are out there that we can obtain, then try and get them as opposed to thinking “well, we already have Derek, JMike and JWill at guard”. No, if the is an upgraded portal guard to run with Dylan, then grab him if possible. Same goes for other positions.

Obviously Cam and Paul screwed us with late entries and we were left to get the best of what was remaining. This past year was a rough one for RU when it went Portaling. Let’s learn lessons from last offseason, be smart and aggressive early on and add a few key pieces (maybe an upgraded guard, maybe a 3 and D wing, maybe an inside player who is a rebounding machine) that make sense for next year’s roster that help the excellent incoming class. I also hope they figure out/take care of existing players on the roster they want back EARLY in the process to avoid another Cam and Paul closing time surprise party at the bar. If someone wants out and is gonna go, let’s find out early if possible. I believe Grad transfers and the later date for entry to the portal has been done away at this point so at least everyone works from same portal opening dates next year.
 
Complete agree - need to earn minutes.
The funny thing is that it’s only Gavin threads where this is said.

Now go through Clif, Davis, Noah, Simpson, Mag (3-10 and 1rb Saturday)
They are all “earning” more minutes?

Gavin is 7th in mpg.

Valid point as no one is really standing out on this team with stellar and consistent performance. Andre Hyatt has been most consistent and best player, but the issue is that Hyatt is not a Big Ten star player. He’s a good role player and should be commended for the way he’s played this year. The prime issues are that this team is comprised of a bunch of role players, with no discernible go-to star player who can get buckets to win a game late, and has players who lack consistency. Gavin is no different than many others as you point out. Let’s get Gavin ready for next year and bump his minutes up. We’re going to lose games in the Big this year anyway whether Gavin is 1st or 7th in mpg. Let’s focus on his development by gaining experience with minutes.
 
I recall Gavin snatching at least 2 defensive rebounds in the last game. He moved and jumped toward the ball aggressively while others throughout the game appeared to be waiting for the rebound to come to them. Moments like that give me hope he'll have plenty of valuable contributions.
 
If that’s the case, then what are Harper and Bailey, with Dortch, Somerville and Grant going to do as Freshman?? Are we throwing water on the fire already for next year??? Those freshman will have to be productive, in their Freshman year. We don’t have time for much of any transition at all when we only have one year from Dylan and Ace.
Harper and Bailey are much more complete packages coming into college than Gavin. From a physical and athletic standpoint alone, combined with the amount of reps they consistently get against elite competition, I think they’ll be a lot more plug and play ready than Gavin was.

Having said that, there are almost certainly going to be times when they struggle and we will need some veterans to steady the ship in games where that happens.
 
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Harper and Bailey are much more complete packages coming into college than Gavin. From a physical and athletic standpoint alone, combined with the amount of reps they consistently get against elite competition, I think they’ll be a lot more plug and play ready than Gavin was.

Having said that, there are almost certainly going to be times when they struggle and we will need some veterans to steady the ship in games where that happens.
Why?
Gavin didnt play against elite competition?
 
Complete agree - need to earn minutes.
The funny thing is that it’s only Gavin threads where this is said.

Now go through Clif, Davis, Noah, Simpson, Mag (3-10 and 1rb Saturday)
They are all “earning” more minutes?

Gavin is 7th in mpg.
Cliff, Davis, Noah and Mag 100% have earned their minutes and more. You don’t look at one game. You evaluate practice every day and game performance over longer stretches. Derek is struggling with his shot in games so he must be showing everything in practice. For Gavin, 7th in minutes seems about right for his game play.
 
Cliff, Davis, Noah and Mag 100% have earned their minutes and more. You don’t look at one game. You evaluate practice every day and game performance over longer stretches. Derek is struggling with his shot in games so he must be showing everything in practice. For Gavin, 7th in minutes seems about right for his game play.
What are you seeing with Noah that I am not?? Guy is shockingly underwhelming and ordinary. He’s okay, nothing special, but we heard from Pike and media in off season how he was quick and would be the leading scorer and run the offense for this team with his shooting, driving ability and aggressiveness. We have seen very little of this, except a few games. He’s been okay but this team needs far more from him, or if it’s not Noah, then Cliff, or then Hyatt, or then Mag, or then Simpson, or then Gavin, etc.…..they’re all role players. Nothing wrong with that, they’re really good role players and I like them, but that’s why this team is not going to be good enough as we don’t have a go to player on this roster. Let’s work on developing this roster this year, especially the young guys who are returning for 2024-25, an important season for the future of RU basketball.
 
Noah is inconsistent. He was non existant in first half of game and then fairly solid in 2nd but we have seen this in other games with him.

To me Pike has failed at defining roles and thus we kerp getting this inconsistent olay

Whats frightening to me is Hyatt is now our most consistent and best offensive threat and thats an indictment of Pikes recruiting and roster management that a 6th or 7th man on most big 19 schools is our first...harsh reality
 
Noah is inconsistent. He was non existant in first half of game and then fairly solid in 2nd but we have seen this in other games with him.

To me Pike has failed at defining roles and thus we kerp getting this inconsistent olay

Whats frightening to me is Hyatt is now our most consistent and best offensive threat and thats an indictment of Pikes recruiting and roster management that a 6th or 7th man on most big 19 schools is our first...harsh reality
I think your point is largely correct but the Hyatt we’ve seen so far this year would be in the top 5 options on any B1G team and in the top 3 on most. But he’s still not good enough to be #1 on a good team.
 
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that is my concern about next year.

Sooo.....it appears that you are finally buying in now......if you have concerns about next year and 5 freshman (which has always been the case for me and why you had to punt on the backcourt from last year), then you have to understand now, how important it is, to invest minutes into a younger backcourt.....which means Simpson, Davis and obviously Griffiths.

Do we get to understand now that every minute played by last year's backcourt, slows down the development/learning curve for these 3 players.....and makes RU more likely to severely struggle next year?? I'd rather have a seasoned tandem off the bench in Davis/Simpson/Gavin, depending on how the minutes get earned, vs having all new underclassmen, trying to figure it out at the same time.

Gavin is an elite shot maker and has shown signs of being willing to drive the basketball, into traffic and draw fouls, which is what will make him a tougher and more complex basketball player to defend. We don't need a stationary, spot up shooter, we already had that last year.

If we project Gavin's numbers higher when and his minutes go from 21 per game to 26 to 27, that extra 6 minutes on the court, will mean more points and production. Which would land him right in line with what we need to win games.
 
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Sooo.....it appears that you are finally buying in now......if you have concerns about next year and 5 freshman (which has always been the case for me and why you had to punt on the backcourt from last year), then you have to understand now, how important it is, to invest minutes into a younger backcourt.....which means Simpson, Davis and obviously Griffiths.

Do we get to understand now that every minute played by last year's backcourt, slows down the development/learning curve for these 3 players.....and makes RU more likely to severely struggle next year?? I'd rather have a seasoned tandem off the bench in Davis/Simpson/Gavin, depending on how the minutes get earned, vs having all new underclassmen, trying to figure it out at the same time.

Gavin is an elite shot maker and has shown signs of being willing to drive the basketball, into traffic and draw fouls, which is what will make him a tougher and more complex basketball player to defend. We don't need a stationary, spot up shooter, we already had that last year.

If we project Gavin's numbers higher when and his minutes go from 21 per game to 26 to 27, that extra 6 minutes on the court, will mean more points and production. Which would land him right in line with what we need to win games.
If you get into next year with those being the only experienced guards on the roster it will not go well. I'm sorry but Simpson should not be counted on. You need to hit the transfer portal.
 
If you get into next year with those being the only experienced guards on the roster it will not go well. I'm sorry but Simpson should not be counted on. You need to hit the transfer portal.

What exactly is unexpectedly an issue with Simpson this year vs last year......are you saying he isn't better this year vs last year??

We also already addressed the "portal ", with Jeremiah Williams, who has 3 years of eligibility left and on the roster. Do you not watch anything thats going on with the program, or is it based on a game to game basis??

Maybe we should start with a refresher course. It's mind boggling that we have fans with an issue with recruiting or roster heading into next year. Maybe I missed the November /December signers and commits.
 
If you get into next year with those being the only experienced guards on the roster it will not go well. I'm sorry but Simpson should not be counted on. You need to hit the transfer portal.

Hopefully we do both. We invest minutes in GG, Simpson and JMike this year, we should also have Jeremiah next year. If we have a spot to fill then we also add in the portal. We see who is the best man between the portal guy we will pick up, GG, Simpson, JMike, or JWill and one or two of them starts from that list at guard and/or small forward. We can do both, invest minutes in young players here now to pay off next year and hit the portal if needed. We have played 5 real opponents this year, we are 1-4 in those games with 1 win against SHU when we shot 50% from three. It’s really hard to see this team winning 12 conference games or 11 plus Big Ten tourney wins to get a bid. Let’s at least get something out of this season that helps towards next year by investing minutes in players that are likely to be in the rotation next year.
 
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I think Simpson can be a decent number 4 guard. The only thing is, does anyone have any idea how good Jeremiah Williams is? All we heard all offseason were glowing reports about this team. All of which could not be further from the truth. Soooooo is Williams is as good as advertised? That’s my worry.
 
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I think your point is largely correct but the Hyatt we’ve seen so far this year would be in the top 5 options on any B1G team and in the top 3 on most. But he’s still not good enough to be #1 on a good team.

This is where RU fans and folks like myself lose track of reality.

The staff actually knows how to coach.....how do I know this?? Because they don't ask players to do things "that they see and most people see that they cannot do".....so what does that mean??

It means that Hyatt is being coached and the staff does a great job at keeping someone in line with "what does the player do very well or what are they capable of doing "??

I was told Hyatt is a poor shooter from 3, despite taking as many 3s as anyone else willing or capable or being a catch and shoot guy. The staff doesn't ask Hyatt to be RHJ and run isolation for him and let him go get shots or a basket. He is not RHJ.....he is a different player.

Hyatt isn't a Top 3 or 5 Forward in the B1G....he is just thriving in the role that maxes out what works within the offense or team concepts. And the same with Mag and others, we get max productivity out of "normal Power 5 players", especially those that aren't elite athletes or players who are Uber quick leapers etc.

The problem is, when the staff puts these players in place and they start becoming productive and not letting them deviate from what works well, then the fans start into delusion about how good or valuable the player is, and normal players get elevated to some unreasonable space.

Hyatt specifically is now in a space where he doesn't have to defer to Spencer or Mulcahy or RHJ etc and it's ultimately him or Gavin, until the others pitch in. But instead of going off the rails and pushing up 9 to 10 3 pointers per game, Hyatt is staying within what is working well and what's a good look, vs a forced extra 3 to 4 shots a game.

I hope (seriously) this makes sense to folks here, so we don't get out of whack here. The "Hyatt is a poor 3 point shooting fanbase or camp" is awful quiet, because they want to so desperately be correct.....and in actual facts, they ARE correct.....Hyatt is not a #1 option that should be launching 10 3s a game. That's not his game or role.

But when he's dialed in and within the game plan and what the staff understands, all of his numbers are up, 2 years in a row. Strange how that works itself out, I guess.
 
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I think Simpson can be a decent number 4 guard. The only thing is, does anyone have any idea how good Jeremiah Williams is? All we heard all offseason were glowing reports about this team. All of which could not be further from the truth. Soooooo is Williams is as good as advertised? That’s my worry.
Fingers crossed about Jeremiah, but yes this is an excellent point about offseason glowing reports about this team and well……those reports have not come to fruition. If we have a spot, add a guy in the portal to add to the mix as the Jeremiah reports could be accurate or maybe not.
 
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This is where RU fans and folks like myself lose track of reality.

The staff actually knows how to coach.....how do I know this?? Because they don't ask players to do things "that they see and most people see that they cannot do".....so what does that mean??

It means that Hyatt is being coached and the staff does a great job at keeping someone in line with "what does the player do very well or what are they capable of doing "??

I was told Hyatt is a poor shooter from 3, despite taking as many 3s as anyone else willing or capable or being a catch and shoot guy. The staff doesn't ask Hyatt to be RHJ and run isolation for him and let him go get shots or a basket. He is not RHJ.....he is a different player.

Hyatt isn't a Top 3 or 5 Forward in the B1G....he is just thriving in the role that maxes out what works within the offense or team concepts. And the same with Mag and others, we get max productivity out of "normal Power 5 players", especially those that aren't elite athletes or players who are Uber quick leapers etc.

The problem is, when the staff puts these players in place and they start becoming productive and not letting them deviate from what works well, then the fans start into delusion about how good or valuable the player is, and normal players get elevated to some unreasonable space.

Hyatt specifically is now in a space where he doesn't have to defer to Spencer or Mulcahy or RHJ etc and it's ultimately him or Gavin, until the others pitch in. But instead of going off the rails and pushing up 9 to 10 3 pointers per game, Hyatt is staying within what is working well and what's a good look, vs a forced extra 3 to 4 shots a game.

I hope (seriously) this makes sense to folks here, so we don't get out of whack here. The "Hyatt is a poor 3 point shooting fanbase or camp" is awful quiet, because they want to so desperately be correct.....and in actual facts, they ARE correct.....Hyatt is not a #1 option that should be launching 10 3s a game. That's not his game or role.

But when he's dialed in and within the game plan and what the staff understands, all of his numbers are up, 2 years in a row. Strange how that works itself out, I guess.

Hyatt is a role player, and he has improved at that role. Problem is there is no #1 guy like Ron, Geo, or Cam on the roster so he can stay within his lane of playing that role. That brings in the expectation that he is a #1 option, go-to guy on a Big Ten team. He’s not, neither are the others on the roster based upon what we’ve seen this year. Gavin could be that type of guy down the road in future seasons. We have some guys on the way next year, so let’s get some of the pieces we have here now ready with more minutes so they are more ready for next season.
 
Sooo.....it appears that you are finally buying in now......if you have concerns about next year and 5 freshman (which has always been the case for me and why you had to punt on the backcourt from last year), then you have to understand now, how important it is, to invest minutes into a younger backcourt.....which means Simpson, Davis and obviously Griffiths.

Do we get to understand now that every minute played by last year's backcourt, slows down the development/learning curve for these 3 players.....and makes RU more likely to severely struggle next year?? I'd rather have a seasoned tandem off the bench in Davis/Simpson/Gavin, depending on how the minutes get earned, vs having all new underclassmen, trying to figure it out at the same time.

Gavin is an elite shot maker and has shown signs of being willing to drive the basketball, into traffic and draw fouls, which is what will make him a tougher and more complex basketball player to defend. We don't need a stationary, spot up shooter, we already had that last year.

If we project Gavin's numbers higher when and his minutes go from 21 per game to 26 to 27, that extra 6 minutes on the court, will mean more points and production. Which would land him right in line with what we need to win games.
The question is how much do these players grow as overall as players in practice over a season vs playing in games. I think the answer is both. Can a player come close to maxing out his potential "learning curve" by playing 10-15 MPG and practicing everyday?

The other question.....what is the value of playing guys just for development when everyone is a free agent. Pike can say screw it and hand Gavin 30 MPG and end up developing him so Danny Hurley can have a player that has had a valuable year learning to play D in our program.

As for as last year's backcourt........getting wins in current year has to be 99% of what the focus has to be. That changes when probabilities of post season play start to wane.

As far as next year......I think Dylan and Ace can create their own shots against all competition. The concerns will always be with what efficiency. Do we need 3 players on the court that can do this if the offset is poor defense and rebounding?

Pike talked ALL preseason about how fast this team was and how uptempo we would be. He threw it out the window 20 minutes in to the season. Our tempo appears to be on pace to be even slower than last year. I am having a tough time envisioning Pike saying FVCK it, lets go outscore our opponent. I have to think given what you have posted there has to be that thought in your mind.
 
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Fingers crossed about Jeremiah, but yes this is an excellent point about offseason glowing reports about this team and well……those reports have not come to fruition. If we have a spot, add a guy in the portal to add to the mix as the Jeremiah reports could be accurate or maybe not.
We can create a nice tidy list of RU players who were practice only that were the best player on the team.
 
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The question is how much do these players grow as overall as players in practice over a season vs playing in games. I think the answer is both. Can a player come close to maxing out his potential "learning curve" by playing 10-15 MPG and practicing everyday?

The other question.....what is the value of playing guys just for development when everyone is a free agent. Pike can say screw it and hand Gavin 30 MPG and end up developing him so Danny Hurley can have a player that has had a valuable year learning to play D in our program.

As for as last year's backcourt........getting wins in current year has to be 99% of what the focus has to be. That changes when probabilities of post season play start to wane.

As far as next year......I think Dylan and Ace can create their own shots against all competition. The concerns will always be with what efficiency. Do we need 3 players on the court that can do this if the offset is poor defense and rebounding?

Pike talked ALL preseason about how fast this team was and how uptempo we would be. He threw it out the window 20 minutes in to the season. Our tempo appears to be on pace to be even slower than last year. I am having a tough time envisioning Pike saying FVCK it, lets go outscore our opponent. I have to think given what you have posted there has to be that thought in your mind.

I think it's somewhat of an insult to assume every player or Pike recruit is selfish or a free agent. I am somewhat biased because I drove 2 plus hours this past spring to Connecticut to actually watch Gavin and Papa Kante play live....and was fortunate enough to meet and talk with Gavins parents with RU72. Just because I took that drive and had a chance to get a good comfort level on what type of people Gavins family is like, gives me gratitude and confidence, he's not a flight risk....

Can something change at a point in time?? Sure, but we are talking about someone Pike has recruited for 3+ years, not 3 days, like Cam Spencer. If one was a flight risk, logic would say he would have a better feel for someone and the family he spent years on vs not. I am not saying free agency doesn't exist, but part of CBB is still HS recruiting based and a relationship based process.

My other "guess" is that when we do bring in someone from the portal, that Knight, TJ Thompson or Smoke Williamson or even Steve Hayn, has a good relationship with someone attached to that player....and that they buy in and are in for the long haul.

What I find concerning or ironic is this...

The same fans complain, complain, complain for the last 3 to 4 years about recruiting and the "lack of talent".....then we develop these "not as talented recruiting pieces, they don't do much, then become productive.....once the player in 2 to 3 years becomes productive, then that player becomes invaluable.

And on the other hand, when those players struggle or have bad games "while developing", then its back to the lack of recruiting......

I just want fans to pick a lane and stay in that lane. If Mag is so valuable that he can't be replaced, but Simpson suddenly can, I need to understand the difference between both players.

If I advocate to recruiting over Mawot Mag (with a Baye Ndongo type, or 2024 recruit), it's only after 2 to 3 years of waiting for that player to click. But we need to toss out Simpson or Woolfolk, who are on a similar path and weren't overexposed early in their careers.....
 
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If you were Gavin and Gavin's father and your goals were to have Gavin a career as a professional basketball player I would hope and expect to do what is best for yourself/kid.

If Gavin left to a different program that....
A. paid him a lot more money
B. showcased his talents more
C. was tailored more to what the NBA is like

How could you fault the player for moving. Steve Pikiell makes $4,000,000 year. Having a player chase an extra $250,000 is certainly not selfish in my eyes. This is a business.
 
The question is how much do these players grow as overall as players in practice over a season vs playing in games. I think the answer is both. Can a player come close to maxing out his potential "learning curve" by playing 10-15 MPG and practicing everyday?

The other question.....what is the value of playing guys just for development when everyone is a free agent. Pike can say screw it and hand Gavin 30 MPG and end up developing him so Danny Hurley can have a player that has had a valuable year learning to play D in our program.

As for as last year's backcourt........getting wins in current year has to be 99% of what the focus has to be. That changes when probabilities of post season play start to wane.

As far as next year......I think Dylan and Ace can create their own shots against all competition. The concerns will always be with what efficiency. Do we need 3 players on the court that can do this if the offset is poor defense and rebounding?

Pike talked ALL preseason about how fast this team was and how uptempo we would be. He threw it out the window 20 minutes in to the season. Our tempo appears to be on pace to be even slower than last year. I am having a tough time envisioning Pike saying FVCK it, lets go outscore our opponent. I have to think given what you have posted there has to be that thought in your mind.

Good point. Critical point

About the value (or potential lack thereof) of developing kids for next year.

Its complete free agency now

He could shift the emphasis towards developing Simpson, Gavin and Davis (as some are suggesting here) and all 3 could easily transfer out — and the whole emphasis of your season was wasted!!

Thus I think the suggestion to concentrate on player development is a bit outdated now. Sounds good in theory but would be a big risk in this free agency world

Just gotta play to win as much as possible each year.

I mean maybe later in the season if post season plays out of reach you make that shift but short of that maybe a just small shift towards the young guys (particularly if it might help retention) as long as it doesn’t hurt your chance to win

For example , if pike feels Noah gives him a a better chance to win vs Davis then he needs to give more minutes to Noah. But if he feels they are basically equal then he should play Davis more. But he shouldn’t be playing one of the younger guys (if the older guy is playing better) just for developmental purposes
 
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Good point. Critical point

About the value (or potential lack thereof) of developing kids for next year.

Its complete free agency now

He could shift the emphasis towards developing Simpson, Gavin and Davis (as some are suggesting here) and all 3 could easily transfer out — and the whole emphasis of your season was wasted!!

Thus I think the suggestion to concentrate on player development is a bit outdated now. Sounds good in theory but would be a big risk in this free agency world

Just gotta play to win as much as possible each year.

I mean maybe later in the season if post season plays out of reach you make that shift but short of that maybe a just small shift towards the young guys (particularly if it might help retention) as long as it doesn’t help your chance to win
a small addition to this would also be when looking at future portal players......if we took Noah's minutes and gave them to Derek and Davis without merit that could influence potential future portal players.

Also even when at large bids get thrown out the window there is always playing for seeds in B1GT and getting in to the NCAAT the hard way.
 
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If you were Gavin and Gavin's father and your goals were to have Gavin a career as a professional basketball player I would hope and expect to do what is best for yourself/kid.

If Gavin left to a different program that....
A. paid him a lot more money
B. showcased his talents more
C. was tailored more to what the NBA is like

How could you fault the player for moving. Steve Pikiell makes $4,000,000 year. Having a player chase an extra $250,000 is certainly not selfish in my eyes. This is a business.
What makes you think Gavin would develop somewhere else better than RU and Pikiell? Because he's not playing 35 min a game and a focal point of the offense? He's not ready for that. He's being brought along at a measured pace matching his play and learning curve.
 
Fictional Gavin Griffiths was a possible one and done who we were hoping would be here 2 years. No one expected him to be playing as little as he has and not being a guy we would see on the court in crunch time.

I didn't see anyone say he would come in and be developed slowly at a measured pace and be on a learning curve.

Did anyone expect him to be hanging out in the corner and rarely be asked to come off screens and be part of pick and rolls?
 
Fictional Gavin Griffiths was a possible one and done who we were hoping would be here 2 years. No one expected him to be playing as little as he has and not being a guy we would see on the court in crunch time.

I didn't see anyone say he would come in and be developed slowly at a measured pace and be on a learning curve.

Did anyone expect him to be hanging out in the corner and rarely be asked to come off screens and be part of pick and rolls?
the problem is his surrounding cast is so bad, people are asking Gavin to bail them team out. Gavin is going to be fine. However Pike has to actually develop an offense around him. Instead a bunch of scurrying guards throwing up bricks with their head down isnt going to develop him at all. You think Gavin wouldnt love to have Paul at point

whose fault is it that Gavin is hanging in the corner...you know the answer
 
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