I think there probably is a positive correlation here.
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you may want to look at recruit's ranking when signed and performance.
I understand the performance part is tough to quantify or probably shouldn't be quantified (which would make correlation not possible).
List in order Pike's most impactful recruits,,,,pretty ssure Mulcahy and Harper rankings were not that high when they committed. Baker and Myles were low.
The biggest correlation I see is the one between recruit rankings and our fans' ability to forgive their poor play and "give them time."
I think I saw a guy in high school that has a high release and can get his shot off in a blink an eye. I wrongly assumed that those shots actually go in based off of the hype. I also didn’t expect him to be completely lacking intangibles like hustle, court awareness, rebounding instinct, etc.
If he can ever get his shot to fall then he can immediately be an instant offense guy notwithstanding the lack of intangibles. He really does have a crazy fast release with very little wasted motion.
If he can ever get his shot to fall then he can immediately be an instant offense guy notwithstanding the lack of intangibles. He really does have a crazy fast release with very little wasted motion.
Maybe he is a different shooter when he is forced to expend energy on the defensive end.
It would be interesting to get honest answers from the HS basketball experts who predicted Gavin would be instant impact offensively, starting by January and be one of our leadering scorers:
- You were wrong and overrated Gavin's immediate impact
- Your evaluation accurate and it's HC Pike/staff fault for not utilizing him correctly and holding Gavin back
The question is the allocation to both of your points. I think the staff leaves nothing on the table defensively. Offense is a different story
That’s just completely unfair. You have no idea how hard he works or not. Perhaps he did not work hard on some of the things that would have helped him more at RU but that’s not the same thing as not working hard.
It seems like you're essentially asking the people on this board if they know more about basketball than Steve Pikiell. Their answers will be interesting.
I am on record as being a huge Gavin guy. And, yes, I expected him to have a much bigger impact but I didn’t know we’d have the worst group of PGs we’ve had in years. It’s sad how they have killed this team.
When Gavin is used correctly, he gets passes putting him in rhythm to shoot. After he makes a few and defenders start to overplay him he absolutely has the skill to put the ball on the deck and dunk it. Thats what he showed in HS.
Next year when the PG situation should be fixed, I fully expect Gavin to be a double digit scorer and very likely will end up 15+ pts per game by his junior year.
When Gavin is used correctly, he gets passes putting him in rhythm to shoot. After he makes a few and defenders start to overplay him he absolutely has the skill to put the ball on the deck and dunk it. Thats what he showed in HS.
Next year when the PG situation should be fixed, I fully expect Gavin to be a double digit scorer and very likely will end up 15+ pts per game by his junior year.
"I've watched a few of Gavin's HS games. Teams aim to shut him down and he'll play more within a system. Don't get me wrong, when he gets his outside shot going, look out, but against top competition, he won't consistently be able to create his own shot, at least not high percentage ones. Nothing about his defense stands out, in comparison to Mag who was a standout defender at Prolific Prep. Ace Bailey is an obvious one and done. Not likely for Gavin."
Quoting myself from the one-and-done nonsense thread. If you actually watch these kids in HS, it's not that hard to figure out. I can also go back and quote that Mag was the prize of his class and would be a fan favorite instead of another hyped recruit, who did not produce in HS or here, which I warned. When another poster with actual insight stated Gavin was not a one-and-done, other posters jumped on him and showed their ignorance (but they quoted some stats off the internet).
Quoting myself from the one-and-done nonsense thread. If you actually watch these kids in HS, it's not that hard to figure out. I can also go back and quote that Mag was the prize of his class and would be a fan favorite instead of another hyped recruit, who did not produce in HS or here, which I warned. When another poster with actual insight stated Gavin was not a one-and-done, other posters jumped on him and showed their ignorance (but they quoted some stats off the internet).
Not a smart worker then if that makes you feel better. I guess adding muscle is a well kept secret in college basketball.
I’m surprised how critical we are of our basketball players for not adding muscle easier.
The high amount of aerobic activity has a catabolic effect making it more difficult to gain muscle.
Hard gainers / ectomorphs will struggle to make fast significant gains.
There is a way to counter act that of course. Are we suggesting our team doesn’t take more “risks” to overcome this?
The high amount of aerobic activity has a catabolic effect making it more difficult to gain muscle.
Hard gainers / ectomorphs will struggle to make fast significant gains.
There is a way to counter act that of course. Are we suggesting our team doesn’t take more “risks” to overcome this?
I think the suggestion is: Every team we play appears to be much stronger than us.
I don’t disagree but we are mainly talking about freshmen and Derek in that regard.
We are not talking about the upper class men.
And certain teams when you look at them really makes you wonder.
Illinois doesn’t give me that impression.
Miss St had me wonder.
my comment was in response that Gavin was a hard worker
1 of these has to be true
1. Gavin doesnt feel putting on muscle is important
2. Gavin wasnt motivated to put on muscle
1 of these has to be true
1. Gavin doesnt feel putting on muscle is important
2. Gavin wasnt motivated to put on muscle
Not every guy needs to put on muscle. Gavin has pretty much the same body as Payton Sandford. You know the guy who won B1G 6th man last year and will be all B1G this year.
could also be that he is motivated but is a hard gainer with a 6’8 frame.
Griffiths is longer and taller and is listed as 20 lbs lighter than Sandford. 20 pounds of muscle would do wonders for Griffiths IMO.
They’re both 6’7”. And of course Gavin needs to add weight. Sandford has put on about 15-20 lbs over his 2-3 years at Iowa. I expect Gavin to do the same. My point is that Sandford doesn’t look muscular or thick and yet he’s excelling in the league.
He’s feeling more comfortable on O and attacking more. And getting blocked and turned over more. Welcome to the Big 10. Now he has to learn to use his team instead of going 1 on 5. He draws a crowd on the drive…now he just needs to learn to kick it out.
You’re coming off really poorly here because you’re making an assumption that an 18 year super lanky kid can just add muscle like it’s nothing. It can be incredibly difficult and doesn’t mean he’s not trying. Criticize him for what you see on the court but to make stupid assumptions about off the court is just a bad look.
You may be right.....just rubs me the wrong way to see people say he is a hard worker when there isn't anything that points to it.
Gym rats do burn through calories. He might have to do a few months in the offseason of nothing but weights, shooting and eating proteins being sure to not to do too much cardio. By July he’ll be more swol than Robert Frank.
How about that he was the best high school player in his state? Couldn’t have taken any work to do that right?
Ranking at the time of signing only has relevance if you are trying to judge Pike's eye for talent relative to rankings at that time but it's irrelevant in judging how they perform in college
Both Paul and Harper were 4 stars by at least 1 service so it would actually support the argument that rankings do matter
All reports are that he is an extremely hard worker. He may need to focus more on the weight room than the court, but as some have said. It's not easy for every 17-18 year old to just pack on 20 lbs of muscle. He's still growing into his grown man body and not everyone matures at the same rate
If he comes back just as skinny next season, that would be a bit concerning. Let's see what he does this off season in the weight room before judging
I will say that his skill set isn't the offensive package I thought he would have. I'm always talking about handle on here but it's so important to be able to move on the court with the ball freely. Whenever a defender gets close to him he picks up his dribble. If he is working with a skills trainer he needs to move on to another and if he isn't that should be his first call this off season. Going to practice and doing the team workout isn't enough if you want to be elite. Has to be during your personal time when you separate yourself from everyone else.
Is every skinny freshman lazy or just Griffiths?
