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I think people are vastly overestimating how active Rutgers will be this offseason.
We need to "push" out 2 returning players just to bring in the 5 freshman (Clif + Oskar? Mag?)
Are we really going into next year with 7 new players? 8?
Is Chol or Ogbole or Woolf getting the talk? Simpson?
Staff not likely to push Davis, J. Williams or Gavin.
You think people complain about continuity now and players not knowing how to play together now, just wait.
We need to "push" out 2 returning players just to bring in the 5 freshman (Clif + Oskar? Mag?)
Are we really going into next year with 7 new players? 8?
Is Chol or Ogbole or Woolf getting the talk? Simpson?
Staff not likely to push Davis, J. Williams or Gavin.
You think people complain about continuity now and players not knowing how to play together now, just wait.
There is no doubt he has underwhelmed so far. His highs have been very good and then he disappears. Sometimes a point guard feels pressure to get others going and involved. I see a bit of that with Noah. RU needs him to create and be aggressive. They don’t have many others that have his experience. The two things I feared the most going into the season with this team was lack of experience and scorers. Those two things have killed this team.
December of freshman year--when he already has a 20pt game--he's proclaimed a failure "so far"
Where's the minimum qualification test to post when we need it
Where's the minimum qualification test to post when we need it
Seems like we’ll be parting with these 5:
Cliff, Oskar, Aundre, Austin, and Noah
We bring in the 5 freshmen and we keep these 8:
JMike, JWill, Gavin, Mag, Woolf, Ogbole, Simpson, Chol.
If one or more of those 8 go into the portal, then we use the portal to fill our most pressing need.
If we have a chance to get a stud center and/or a stud forward in the portal, then Pike has the talk with Chol and/or Ogbole.
Gavin was a great player in HS. Go watch the tape.
Our offense is completely dysfunctional and doesn’t play to anyone’s strengths
UConn, Michigan, Alabama, Cuse, Maryland, Iowa, Kansas State, and Providence are a few of the schools who offered.
Once Griffiths' shots from beyond the arc (and the FT line) start to drop more consistently, he'll look like a different player.
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Seeing Gavin, I don’t get how it wasn’t a priority to keep Paul. He’s a frosh. Needs a ball distributor to get his game going. We don’t have one. Forget Paul, Caleb and Spencer also averaged more assists last season than anyone on our team and neither of them brought up the ball. What does that tell you?
What we do have (probably the only net positive) is a collection of plus on ball defenders (sans Hyatt who has at least moved closer to servicable in this area). Our best chance to win is a halfcourt game with some pressing mixed in. Our D is very good outside of rebounding. If we could figure that out we could compete despite the offense. But it’s not GG’s fault the offense isn’t good and there is likely no way to fix it this season outside of being able to create more offense off of defense.
What we do have (probably the only net positive) is a collection of plus on ball defenders (sans Hyatt who has at least moved closer to servicable in this area). Our best chance to win is a halfcourt game with some pressing mixed in. Our D is very good outside of rebounding. If we could figure that out we could compete despite the offense. But it’s not GG’s fault the offense isn’t good and there is likely no way to fix it this season outside of being able to create more offense off of defense.
what I’m seeing with Gavin is progress on the defensive end, and rebounding, and in just playing more aggressively. I will say I thought he would transition to the college game more quickly, and that was obviously overly optimistic. But I see a guy who’s going to be a great player for us.
I know I sound like a broken record comparing the kid to Wiescamp (Iowa) but it’s important to have a face for comparison. That’s the type of player Gavin is. Sharp shooter with some ball skills. Wiescamp went on to have a nice pro career. As a frosh, he would not have pretty looking stats on our current roster. Gavin’s skill set, like Wiescamp, lends itself to be a complement that leverages good distribution from others and exploits the attention that is needed to defend an inside post player. They had Garza - so far Cliff isn’t giving us that. It would be really hard for Gavin to stand out with our surrounding cast.
Spot on about Noah. But if your 5th year senior is inconsistent and you’re not winning it’s time to give more minutes to his sophomore replacement (Simpson) to see if he really has what it takes over an extended period of time.
Remember when Jacob Young had his breakout game vs a no name ( Bloomfield College’?) in his first year here around the same time Of the year?
Maybe it’s the optimism in me but I’m hoping Gavin has the same type of game vs Stonehill to give him confidence going forward etc.
Maybe it’s the optimism in me but I’m hoping Gavin has the same type of game vs Stonehill to give him confidence going forward etc.
If GG stays for four years he'll be a top 15 RU player of all time.
THAT. ^^^^^^
Work on Cliff using his speed to be a threat that demands help and makes for open 3 balls for others. But OP is right.. Grifgiths should never shy from taking threes.. even when he thinks he is off.. shooters gotta shoot.
I agree with this concept but I think the Griffiths camp knows that Griffiths surrounded by Harper and Ace will be a very good situation for him to thrive
There is only 1 basketball and Harper isnt a true PG.
The thing I am most interested in is what happens on March X when our season is over. Assuming things dont change a lot in terms of Gavins role is he taking responsibility for things. Is he on Day 1 of the offseason dedicating himself to S&C and finding a way to improve lateral quickness.
The thing I am most interested in is what happens on March X when our season is over. Assuming things dont change a lot in terms of Gavins role is he taking responsibility for things. Is he on Day 1 of the offseason dedicating himself to S&C and finding a way to improve lateral quickness.
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Good time to revisit this thread. I'm glad GG has been getting a lot more PT including some extended run at a time when the games count. I think with this additional time to watch him a few themes are emerging:
1. He's a good shooter despite his slumps, and with a good facilitator to find him on the perimeter he will be a weapon with his quick high release. But he needs the facilitator.
2. His hoops IQ....is that of a freshman. Not good, but improving dramatically each game. Especially on D.
3. His D has been improving. He's no longer a major liability. Help D better than 1v1 on the perimeter.
4. His rebounding and scrapping for loose balls has gone from nothing to OK. He's more confident and aggressive. Nice trajectory.
5. While it's been good to see him being aggressive on O last few games, he needs a lot of work. In particular he needs to work with his team and not go 1 v 5.
Overall about what you expect from a talented freshman. The trajectory looks good though to me.
1. He's a good shooter despite his slumps, and with a good facilitator to find him on the perimeter he will be a weapon with his quick high release. But he needs the facilitator.
2. His hoops IQ....is that of a freshman. Not good, but improving dramatically each game. Especially on D.
3. His D has been improving. He's no longer a major liability. Help D better than 1v1 on the perimeter.
4. His rebounding and scrapping for loose balls has gone from nothing to OK. He's more confident and aggressive. Nice trajectory.
5. While it's been good to see him being aggressive on O last few games, he needs a lot of work. In particular he needs to work with his team and not go 1 v 5.
Overall about what you expect from a talented freshman. The trajectory looks good though to me.
Here are all the Percent of Minutes Played and Offensive Ratings for prospects #40-#49 (from the 247 Composite ranking). See if you can pick out Gavin's!
76.8 - 122.7
87.9 - 111.1
15.9 - 115.4
68.0 - 131.2
42.4 - 80.6
44.3 - 107.4
DNP - Injury
65.7 - 105.7
27.0 - 92.0
17.1 - 104.3
35.6 - 100.8
76.8 - 122.7
87.9 - 111.1
15.9 - 115.4
68.0 - 131.2
42.4 - 80.6
44.3 - 107.4
DNP - Injury
65.7 - 105.7
27.0 - 92.0
17.1 - 104.3
35.6 - 100.8
1. He may be, but nothing from what we have seen recently on the court tells you that
3. His D is still at an unacceptble level
4. he has 2 DREB in his last 3 games. Pushing people isn't scrapping for loose balls
I didn't see ANYONE expecting Gavin to be this. No ONE. Trajectory? You are trying to see things, but we aren't seeing them.
I have not given up on Gavin, but nothing in the past 2-3 games has moved the needle at all.
Since Gavin is doing what we would expect from a talented freshman....What are we expecting from Dylan and Ace?
His “build” and lateral movement are that of a skinny power forward. Once he gets his young dad bod and is able to play through contact he’ll be more than just a corner three threat and he’ll be able to guard better as long as he isn’t guarding small forwards.
This is the funniest (saddest?) part of this as you correctly point out.
The HS basketball experts on the board were so certain about Gavin's immediate offensive impact.
Top 2 or 3 scorer as a frosh, Big Ten All-Freshman Team contender, "ready for prime time"
Predicting he'd be a starter by January (or earlier after Cam transferred)
I never watch HS recruits or highlights or any of that junk.
It's mostly all meaningless until they play in college.
Now - are Dylan and Ace a different level of prospect? Definitely. But it's not like people said "Gavin has a chance to blah blah blah". The expectations were pretty authoritive.
Honestly, as much as I want the kid to live up to his billing, so far he really hasn't impressed. With few exceptions, he hasn't demonstrated good moves, ball handle or even a decent shot. Overall he has lacked aggressiveness and physicality. He does seem to be a hard worker and will eventually make the adjustment to the speed of the college game and improve.
We should both stay out of recruiting.... I posted a few years ago and i think it holds now. There is no RUtgers correlation between ranking of a recruit and success on the court.
Cliff is definitely an exception.
Anyone saying they’re “encouraged” by Gavin’s performance to date is lying to themselves or straight up delusional
Now, should he be written off? By no means. But expecting him to live up to the billing of his ranking at this point seems a bit unlikely, although not impossible. Dylan and Ace could certainly open things up for him, but he has to make a leap in so many different facets to live up to any NBA billing. Strength, 3pt %, shot selection, ball handling, defense, etc. There’s not a single thing he excels at right now
Now, should he be written off? By no means. But expecting him to live up to the billing of his ranking at this point seems a bit unlikely, although not impossible. Dylan and Ace could certainly open things up for him, but he has to make a leap in so many different facets to live up to any NBA billing. Strength, 3pt %, shot selection, ball handling, defense, etc. There’s not a single thing he excels at right now
If he was a hard worker he would have come here with muscle. He would have worked on lateral quickness. He came to games as a senior in HS and sat behind the bench, he had to know what it takes to play for Rutgers on defense. He did nothing to prepare himself on defense.
