Hankering for some Wrestling Recruiting Info

[plcoolg]

Let me start by saying that I love the incoming recruiting class comprised of the current crop of high school seniors. But, I find that I am constantly checking the site for some morsel of info regarding potential recruits finishing up their Junior years of High School. I am truly hoping the day will come when I read that the two incredibly talented middle weights from Bound Brook, Mekhi Lewis and Stephan Glasgow, decide to stay local and attend Rutgers. Or maybe there will be news that a stud from Pennsylvania has decided that attending Rutgers is preferable to sitting the bench at Penn State. Mind you, I have absolutely no knowledge of any recruits. I simply see the head lines on the Football tab about all the recruits that have been offered and I just wish I could hear some similar wrestling news.

Having been an avid reader of this Forum for the last few years, I know that spreading rumors or implying that some young man is ready to commit does no good; in fact, it could it could hurt the situation. But, there are situations, even after the fact, that I wish I knew whether the coaches were on top of. For example, one of the top heavyweight wrestlers in high school in 2015 was a young man named Michael Johnson from Wyoming Seminary in Pennsylvania. He spent last year at a prep school near Yale. A few months ago, he committed to Duke University to wrestle. Maybe Rutgers could have never competed for a Prep School kid against a school as prestigious as Duke to sign him, but I would love to know if we tried. Another example is Hayden Hidlay, a top Pennsylvania wrestler residing near the PSU campus. With the recent signings PSU made, it seems Hidlay would have had a tough time competing for a starting spot there. He signed with North Carolina State. Again, I wish I had the inside info to know whether RU attempted to recruit him. I guess I am just venting. I am just a gigantic fan looking for any morsel of information.

 

[jreinsdorf]

This is a good post. Wrestling recruitment does seem to be MUCH quieter than football in a sense that often times a recruitment does not become public until the verbal. Not much in the way of whispers, visits, etc.

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

One thing that you can be sure of is Goodale/Leo/Pritzlaff/Pollard will not be out worked. If there are elite wrestlers available they know about them. The big problem is the scholarship $ available. Having just "9.9 in state full rides" really ties their hands. When the elite wrestler becomes available I think a lot of times it comes down to who has the best financial package for them unlike football where every offer is a full boat. Your not even in the game with some kids when you can only offer 20-50% and someone like NC State can offer them a full ride. We return 10 NCAA Qualifiers (most in USA) and I'm sure all of those guys are getting some kind of money..

 

[KidDagger]

One thing that you can be sure of is Goodale/Leo/Pritzlaff/Pollard will not be out worked. If there are elite wrestlers available they know about them. The big problem is the scholarship $ available. Having just "9.9 in state full rides" really ties their hands. When the elite wrestler becomes available I think a lot of times it comes down to who has the best financial package for them unlike football where every offer is a full boat. Your not even in the game with some kids when you can only offer 20-50% and someone like NC State can offer them a full ride. We return 10 NCAA Qualifiers (most in USA) and I'm sure all of those guys are getting some kind of money..

Don't other elite wrestling program like PSU only have 9.9 in state full rides too?? Yet how is their whole lineup all elite kids. It doesn't add up...

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

No...They have 9.9 out of state tuitions. So they benefit from the best wrestling state in America (PA) and can offer good $ to the out of stators.

Penn State- in state $28,800
out of state 41.300

Add in some of the best facilities in D-1 and their recent NCAA Titles and you can see why they are loaded. We have a wrestling room in a basement that = a decent HS room and pay our Head Coach less then a Def.Back football coach. PSU pays Sanderson 1million+/year.

 

[otter97]

LetsGoRU,

my understanding of the scholarships is that even with full funding you can't give more than 9.9 full scholarships.

funding with OOS scholarships will allow you to give 9.9 full scholarships to out of state recruits, but it won't let you give 20 full scholarships to in state recruits even though on the balance sheet it would appear you could.

on the flip side if you are only funded at the in state level (like RU), if you do offer an OOS full scholarship, this will effectively take away the funding for an additional in state scholarship.

some programs get creative by placing family members on faculty so they get free tuition, or greyshirt wrestlers so they can claim in state residency prior to enrollment etc. but all programs can only offer 9.9 athletic scholarships.

 

[RU85inFla]

LetsGoRU,

my understanding of the scholarships is that even with full funding you can't give more than 9.9 full scholarships.

funding with OOS scholarships will allow you to give 9.9 full scholarships to out of state recruits, but it won't let you give 20 full scholarships to in state recruits even though on the balance sheet it would appear you could.

on the flip side if you are only funded at the in state level (like RU), if you do offer an OOS full scholarship, this will effectively take away the funding for an additional in state scholarship.

some programs get creative by placing family members on faculty so they get free tuition, or greyshirt wrestlers so they can claim in state residency prior to enrollment etc. but all programs can only offer 9.9 athletic scholarships.

You are thinking like football. 9.9 is the number. If in-state tuition and room and board is $10k and you are funded at that level then you have $99k to give out. If out of state is double and you are funded you have $198 to give out. You can give 100% of the money to in state kids.

In state or out of state funding levels just sets the budget when multiplied by 9.9

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

You are thinking like football. 9.9 is the number. If in-state tuition and room and board is $10k and you are funded at that level then you have $99k to give out. If out of state is double and you are funded you have $198 to give out. You can give 100% of the money to in state kids.

In state or out of state funding levels just sets the budget when multiplied by 9.9

RU85, that is not correct. The scholarships are equalized, using your example of in state tuition at 10K and out of state tuition at 20k...you cannot have 20 in state kids on full scholarships. You only have 9.9

 

[RU85inFla]

RU85, that is not correct. The scholarships are equalized, using your example of in state tuition at 10K and out of state tuition at 20k...you cannot have 20 in state kids on full scholarships. You only have 9.9

You are wrong. In Olympus sports most kids get partial scholarships. You can spread your money over 25 kids if you want. You either spread $99k or $198k.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

RU think about your statement. The NCAA allocates 9.9 scholarships(not money, that is the school). Of course most kids get partial scholarships. If in state tuition is 10k and out of state is 20k and say RU has 100k(again this is RU's choice). If RU gives 10k to wrestler X from NJ(that is one full scholarship, RU now has 8.9 left). If RU offers a half scholarship to Wrestler Y from Texas(it is worth 10k----it counts as a half scholarship, RU has 8.4 left). It is not the money, the money is equalized to come up to 9.9 schollys.

 

[RU93]

My guess is that most wrestlers at RU are going to RU for free or something very close to free, instate or not. The one main difference would be our wrestlers are also getting other scholarships or grants, like the academic scholarship or financial grant, etc. And together with the wrestling scholarship, it should be near zero pay for the family. However, this makes it tough if you are recruiting a dummy, who happens to not be in poverty, from another state who dominates on the mat.

 

[RU85inFla]

If I use your logic there is little value in out of state tuition funding unless you plan to recruit 100% out of state. We have 5 out of 28 (18%) wrestlers that are out of state. Seems like we would only need 2 scholarships funded at the out of state level and at most maybe 3 if we really wanted to increase or non-NJ profile. But at the same time we hear from lax and wrestling alum the we need to be 100% fully-funded at the out of state level.

Can you explain the disconnect because I am confused.

I have 2 personal experiences with families that sent their sons to college to play lacrosse. In both cases the scholarships were expressed in dollar terms not % of a full scholarship term. Maybe that is coincidence or not.

 

[Passe24]

My question is if an athlete has a family member employed by the school they are going to school there for free right? If that's the case does he or she count toward 1 of the 9.9???

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

If I use your logic there is little value in out of state tuition funding unless you plan to recruit 100% out of state. We have 5 out of 28 (18%) wrestlers that are out of state. Seems like we would only need 2 scholarships funded at the out of state level and at most maybe 3 if we really wanted to increase or non-NJ profile. But at the same time we hear from lax and wrestling alum the we need to be 100% fully-funded at the out of state level.

Can you explain the disconnect because I am confused.

I have 2 personal experiences with families that sent their sons to college to play lacrosse. In both cases the scholarships were expressed in dollar terms not % of a full scholarship term. Maybe that is coincidence or not.

No it is still very important to be fully-funded for out of state scholarships(but this is a an RU issue...if RU is putting $ limits on the scholarships). It puts RU at a dis-advantage(lets continue to use the 100k example) If you offer an out of state wrester a certain amount of money....it comes out of that 100k, instead of the 200k(it does not mean you can or have to use the 200K--depends on how many out of state kids are getting scholly money)...Say you wanted to offer 4 PA studs a full ride(20k x 4 = 80K, RU now only has 20K left in the "bank" Then they offer 2 NJ studs a full ride 10K x 2=20k So RU is out of $ but only has used up 6 of the 9.9. That is why RU needs to be fully funded) Scholarships will always be expressed in dollar terms to the student athletes(parents) but then are equalized for scholarship limits.
Here is another example...If RU was fully funded(200k)....you cannot give 20 NJ wrestlers 10K each(a full ride on this 10K example(just because you are fully funded)...why? because then you have 20 full scholarships(not the NCAA allocated 9.9).

 

[dicemen99]

ScarletGrapfan is correct on the way it works.

 

[c_husk]

Why is it 9.9 when there are 10 weight classes? Why not just make it 10?

 

[RU85inFla]

No it is still very important to be fully-funded for out of state scholarships(but this is a an RU issue...if RU is putting $ limits on the scholarships). It puts RU at a dis-advantage(lets continue to use the 100k example) If you offer an out of state wrester a certain amount of money....it comes out of that 100k, instead of the 200k(it does not mean you can or have to use the 200K--depends on how many out of state kids are getting scholly money)...Say you wanted to offer 4 PA studs a full ride(20k x 4 = 80K, RU now only has 20K left in the "bank" Then they offer 2 NJ studs a full ride 10K x 2=20k So RU is out of $ but only has used up 6 of the 9.9. That is why RU needs to be fully funded) Scholarships will always be expressed in dollar terms to the student athletes(parents) but then are equalized for scholarship limits.
Here is another example...If RU was fully funded(200k)....you cannot give 20 NJ wrestlers 10K each(a full ride on this 10K example(just because you are fully funded)...why? because then you have 20 full scholarships(not the NCAA allocated 9.9).

So if it's important to be fully funded, then you are saying it is likely that Goodale could possibly give 100% of his scholarship money to out of state kids when he is in one of the best wrestling states in the country. If not, then why is it critical to have 9.9 scholarships funded at out of state levels when you can't give all of the money away if you have just 1 NJ kid on even a partial scholly.

Just curious.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

So if it's important to be fully funded, then you are saying it is likely that Goodale could possibly give 100% of his scholarship money to out of state kids when he is in one of the best wrestling states in the country. If not, then why is it critical to have 9.9 scholarships funded at out of state levels when you can't give all of the money away if you have just 1 NJ kid on even a partial scholly.

Just curious.

RU85 did you read what I typed? I just told you why it is important to be fully funded. I gave you an example of using up all the money but still having scholarships left on the table. Here it is again...Say you wanted to offer 4 PA studs a full ride(20k x 4 = 80K, RU now only has 20K left in the "bank" Then they offer 2 NJ studs a full ride 10K x 2=20k So RU is out of $ but only has used up 6 of the 9.9. That is why RU needs to be fully funded)
Same example if you are Fully Funded(200k- You offer 4 PA studs full ride 20K x 4=80K, offer 2 NJ studs Full Rides-10k x 2=20K--the above scenario RU has no Scholly money left to give out....This scenario they still have money, so they could offer 3 more Full Rides 10k x 3=30k and one more PA kid=20k x 1=20k....Boom 10 full rides vs. only 6 due to being fully funded.(this scenario used 150K----cant use anymore).

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

NCAA sets the scholarship limits. it used to 11 but then the NCAA reduced all sports by 10%, so now its 9.9.

each school decides for itself how much to spend on scholarships for each sport. so there's two "caps" to consider, the NCAA 9.9 scholarship count cap and the internal total cost cap.

I'm assuming (but don't know for sure) that a school like Penn State will have enough money to use all 9.9 scholarships on out of state wrestlers (not that they'd need to), but the important point is their only cap is the 9.9.

 

[Leonard23]

So if it's important to be fully funded, then you are saying it is likely that Goodale could possibly give 100% of his scholarship money to out of state kids when he is in one of the best wrestling states in the country. If not, then why is it critical to have 9.9 scholarships funded at out of state levels when you can't give all of the money away if you have just 1 NJ kid on even a partial scholly.

Just curious.

We need the ability to pay top $ to OOS kids, regardless of the NJ talent, especially with how good PA is. It's a disadvantage otherwise.

 

[RU85inFla]

RU85 did you read what I typed? I just told you why it is important to be fully funded. I gave you an example of using up all the money but still having scholarships left on the table. Here it is again...Say you wanted to offer 4 PA studs a full ride(20k x 4 = 80K, RU now only has 20K left in the "bank" Then they offer 2 NJ studs a full ride 10K x 2=20k So RU is out of $ but only has used up 6 of the 9.9. That is why RU needs to be fully funded)
Same example if you are Fully Funded(200k- You offer 4 PA studs full ride 20K x 4=80K, offer 2 NJ studs Full Rides-10k x 2=20K--the above scenario RU has no Scholly money left to give out....This scenario they still have money, so they could offer 3 more Full Rides 10k x 3=30k and one more PA kid=20k x 1=20k....Boom 10 full rides vs. only 6 due to being fully funded.(this scenario used 150K----cant use anymore).

I did read what you wrote. Do you not understand the math. Pretty simple question, why is it critical to fund the 9.9 scholarships at out of state levels when Rutgers will never have 10 or more out of state wrestlers getting 100% of the wrestling scholarship money?

The stated goal is significant overkill based on how you say the scholarship money works. Just trying to understand.

 

[RickB113]

I did read what you wrote. Do you not understand the math. Pretty simple question, why is it critical to fund the 9.9 scholarships at out of state levels when Rutgers will never have 10 or more out of state wrestlers getting 100% of the wrestling scholarship money?

The stated goal is significant overkill based on how you say the scholarship money works. Just trying to understand.

I agree with what you are saying. If we have 10 guys basically on scholarship at any one time I would think half would always be from NJ or should be. The team should have enough money to fund 5 out of state ships.

 

[ruready07]

every coach/program has a recruiting strategy. I don't know what Goody and company are attempting, but personally, I would still spend the next couple of years heavily focused on NJ talent and bringing in enough guys to build proper depth in the practice room. We need better depth and that will come easier with instate recruiting.

In a couple of years, when finances are better and we have a better facility to recruit with, I would go after more out of staters.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

I agree with what you are saying. If we have 10 guys basically on scholarship at any one time I would think half would always be from NJ or should be. The team should have enough money to fund 5 out of state ships.

Rick, tell me how? I gave you the math above....5 out of state= 5 x 20k= 100K....5 in state=5 x 10K=50K Total 150K.....RU has 100K...so cant be done.

Above I gave a very simple explanation on how giving 4 out of state scholarships uses up 80% of the money(so how would RU be able to offer the remaining scholarships? So Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State etc etc. are fully funded but we are not and You do not see it as a dis-advantage?
While I agree the chances of using all 10(9.9) on out of state recruits is virtually nill, however we need to be fully funded. For our example(using 100k or a fully funded 200k....most likely we would never spend the 200k because we will always have more NJ kids). But would we be more competitive in recruiting PA, Ohio, NY if we had more scholarship money to offer them? I think yes. Most kids are getting partial scholarships, so another example...we recruit 10 out of state studs and offer them each a half scholarship(worth 10k in our example.....so we have given out 5 out of the 9.9, but we are done recruiting because we used up the 100K(that RU is working with). And remember, that is 10 out of state kids on scholarship on the team(not in a recruiting class).

 

[RickB113]

I am sorry. I meant that the school "should" fund the team to that level. Not that they do today.

 

[RU85inFla]

ScarletGrapfan,

This conversation started about being fully funded and how you can spend the scholarship money. I believe that the extra money can be spread around to all in state and out of state athletes on the team, you however shot me down. I'll admit I am not an expert and I may not have understood correctly, however I am a logical person. Using your descriptions about how scholarship money can be used between in-state and out of state athletes it is easy to see the huge disconnect between the advantage of fully funded at out of state rates under your belief of how scholarship money allocation works.

As I said the math is simple. I used your numbers. If we fund Goodale at the out of state rate that you use in the example of $20,000 then he will have a scholarship budget of $198k. However, under your understanding of how the money works he can never spend that money unless he allocates 100% of his scholarship money to out of state kids. Something I nor anyone with half a brain would ever imagine happening in talent rich NJ.

In your prior post you bring up Penn State, Ohio State and Iowa as three programs, all in talent rich states that have an advantage by being fully funded. My point is I will bet you everything I own that none of those squads allocated 100% of the budget to out of state kids at any period. So what is the advantage of being fully funded at the out of state rate vs. funded at the out of state rate only to cover your out of state needs.

So here is where I am, Goodale definitely needs more money to deal with the out of state issue. However if money is allocated like you claim, then he needs out of state funding only to the % level of out of state scholly's he give out. Anything above that is a waste and fiscally irresponsible. However, if my understanding is right, he definitely needs to be funded at the out of state level for all 9.9 scholly's.

I don't know who is right or wrong but I hear an awful lot of chatter from olympic sports coaches claiming they need to be funded 100% at the out of state rate and to be honest, this doesn't make sense if the way you claim scholarship money is allocated between in state and out of state student athletes.




Assumptions:

In State scholly: $ 10,000
Out of State: $ 20,000

Number funded: 9.9


Budget at in state rate: $ 99,000
Budget at out of state rate: $ 198,000

Scenarios:

In State Out of State
9.9 x $ 10,000 + 0 x $ 20,000 = $ 99,000
9 x $ 10,000 + 0.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 108,000
8 x $ 10,000 + 1.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 118,000
7 x $ 10,000 + 2.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 128,000
6 x $ 10,000 + 3.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 138,000
5 x $ 10,000 + 4.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 148,000
4 x $ 10,000 + 5.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 158,000
3 x $ 10,000 + 6.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 168,000
2 x $ 10,000 + 7.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 178,000
1 x $ 10,000 + 8.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 188,000
0 x $ 10,000 + 9.9 x $ 20,000 = $ 198,000

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

RU85....your example is correct. And you are also correct that RU most likely will never have just out of state kids on scholarship. However being fully funded is not fiscally irresponsible. RU does not "write" a check for $198,000 and hand it to the wrestling team, being fully funded gives the team the option to use that money. If they never recruit an out of state wrestler the school does not "lose" that money. Just look at Penn State lineup. 125-NJ, 133-Illinois, 141-PA, 149-PA, 157-PA, 165-PA, 174-Texas, 184-PA or NY, 197-NJ, HWT-CA. That is 5 or 6 out of state starters(and PA is the #1 wrestling state by a wide margin). Under the current set up RU could not have a lineup like this.

 

[RU85inFla]

RU85....your example is correct. And you are also correct that RU most likely will never have just out of state kids on scholarship. However being fully funded is not fiscally irresponsible. RU does not "write" a check for $198,000 and hand it to the wrestling team, being fully funded gives the team the option to use that money. If they never recruit an out of state wrestler the school does not "lose" that money. Just look at Penn State lineup. 125-NJ, 133-Illinois, 141-PA, 149-PA, 157-PA, 165-PA, 174-Texas, 184-PA or NY, 197-NJ, HWT-CA. That is 5 or 6 out of state starters(and PA is the #1 wrestling state by a wide margin). Under the current set up RU could not have a lineup like this.

You and I are in 100% agreement here.

 

[Leonard23]

You and I are in 100% agreement here.

The key is to allow for as many OOS kids as possible so that we have the opportunity to bring in the best talent & competition in the room. tOSU's roster had something like 14 OOS kids, including 3 starters: Snyder from MD, Myles Martin from NJ, Courts from PA. PSU had something like 11 OOS, including 3 or 4 regular starters. We had 5 OOS wrestlers, 2 of which started. NJ is great & will be at least 2/3's or more of the roster but to take the next step, we need full OOS schollies funded to land some PA, OH, NY studs & added depth.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

"fully funded" doesn't mean you have to spend all 9.9 on out of state. it just means money will never been an issue when you recruit out of state kids. it means the coach can focus on how to divide the 9.9 and rather than where the money for the 9.9 will come from.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

In reality, if we could just get them to 5 OOS scholarships, the staff would probably be in very good shape. Perhaps that should be the goal, as it is much more attainable.

Along those same lines, I am surprised they have no solicited donations to raise the level of one scholarship to OOS. They have been talking about the need to do this for forever, and as far as I know, they are still entirely in-state level only. You would think they could have endowed one OOS scholarship by now.

 

[RU85inFla]

In reality, if we could just get them to 5 OOS scholarships, the staff would probably be in very good shape. Perhaps that should be the goal, as it is much more attainable.

Along those same lines, I am surprised they have no solicited donations to raise the level of one scholarship to OOS. They have been talking about the need to do this for forever, and as far as I know, they are still entirely in-state level only. You would think they could have endowed one OOS scholarship by now.

I have a buddy - RU grad - that is the coach of woman's rowing at Ohio State. He started the program 20 plus years ago. He confirmed what is being said that the only reason for full funding is flexibility. I agree with Cabbageheads thought process so I would assume that at least a few are fully funded at the out of state rate before just wrestling is. We could fund 12 as opposed to 19.8 at the higher level and Goodale and Brecht would probably never have to worry. I count 16 teams that would need this higher level of funding.

He also made the following interesting point:

First you are talking about "equivalency" sports where you can give out partial scholarships. Some Olympic Sports are "head count" and can only give full rides or nothing (women's volleyball, gymnastics as well as basketball and football all fall into this category).

(Head count scholarship sports are Football (DI FBS only), Basketball (DI men’s and women’s), Tennis (DI women only), Gymnastics (DI women only) and Volleyball (DI women only).)

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Title IX is so ridiculous in its real world application. Why the heck is volleyball a full ride sport?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Here is the difference of being fully funded and funded at in state rate: (sorry for formatting. Rivals doesn't allow tables.)

 

[jason21psu]

The other thing to factor with partial schollies is tuition cost. OkSU had a ton of talent compared to PSU pre Cael and some PSU fans lamented it was partially because at the time OkSU OOS tuition was less than PSU instate tuition, may still be. So if you were a family from PA and each school was offering a .4 scholarship if was still less out of pocket cost for the family to attend OkSU. I imagine tuition at Rutgers is close to PSU so there might be the same obstacles there. I think scholarships are based off of tuition + room and board and now SA get the stipend to cover other expenses but I'm not sure how that plays out with the partial schollies. I assume the stipend would also be multiplied buy the partial schollie.

EDIT (I just took the numbers from the google results and didn't dive into each website so they may not be 100% accurate.)

COA Numbers:
RU - 31k / 47k
PSU - 31k / 45k
OkSU - 20k / 34k

Tuition Only:
RU - 14k / 29k
PSU - 17k / 31k
OkSU - 7.8k / 21k

 

[PSU_Nut]

The other thing to factor with partial schollies is tuition cost. OkSU had a ton of talent compared to PSU pre Cael and some PSU fans lamented it was partially because at the time OkSU OOS tuition was less than PSU instate tuition, may still be. So if you were a family from PA and each school was offering a .4 scholarship if was still less out of pocket cost for the family to attend OkSU. I imagine tuition at Rutgers is close to PSU so there might be the same obstacles there. I think scholarships are based off of tuition + room and board and now SA get the stipend to cover other expenses but I'm not sure how that plays out with the partial schollies. I assume the stipend would also be multiplied buy the partial schollie.

EDIT (I just took the numbers from the google results and didn't dive into each website so they may not be 100% accurate.)

COA Numbers:
RU - 31k / 47k
PSU - 31k / 45k
OkSU - 20k / 34k

Tuition Only:
RU - 14k / 29k
PSU - 17k / 31k
OkSU - 7.8k / 21k

State schools have a major advantage in recruiting when it come to partial scholarships.

For example if Penn State offered a in state kid a .5 scholarship that would leave them 15.5k left left to pay. For Rutgers to give that kid the same deal they would have to give him a .67 scholarship. If they offered the same .5 scholarship the it would cost the 7k more to attend Rutgers.

 

[koleszar]

Josh actually answered my question a few weeks back, "if full funding will ever be made available to wrestling"? His response was that the coaches were told by time we have our full share from the B1G we will be fully funded OOS as there is another women's sport currently not fully funded. Thus a new sport will not have to be implemented in order to meet Title IX requirements.

We're still a broke $ athletics department, we will not be on equal footing until the B1G buy in is over. This is one of the reasons I have always stated we need money now not in 6 years. A deal similar to Maryland would have been more beneficial to us then them(I know we weren't in a bargaining position). Maryland got their 30 something mil. in B1G money and then UA decided to kick in another 100 mil.. We really are behind the 8 ball here. It's amazing we're as good as we are at this point. I think people forget this, so far the B1G has done nothing for us money wise. Hopefully this new TV deal accelerates our buy in, but who knows what kind of crappy deal RU made.(I know we had no choice)

 

[jerzey devil]

Josh actually answered my question a few weeks back, "if full funding will ever be made available to wrestling"? His response was that the coaches were told by time we have our full share from the B1G we will be fully funded OOS as there is another women's sport currently not fully funded. Thus a new sport will not have to be implemented in order to meet Title IX requirements.

We're still a broke $ athletics department, we will not be on equal footing until the B1G buy in is over. This is one of the reasons I have always stated we need money now not in 6 years. A deal similar to Maryland would have been more beneficial to us then them(I know we weren't in a bargaining position). Maryland got their 30 something mil. in B1G money and then UA decided to kick in another 100 mil.. We really are behind the 8 ball here. It's amazing we're as good as we are at this point. I think people forget this, so far the B1G has done nothing for us money wise. Hopefully this new TV deal accelerates our buy in, but who knows what kind of crappy deal RU made.(I know we had no choice)

How crappy is this going to be in the long run? Remember when were getting full share.. MD will be getting just a piece of that..it works out the same in the long term..

 

[koleszar]

How crappy is this going to be in the long run? Remember when were getting full share.. MD will be getting just a piece of that..it works out the same in the long term..

Look it's obviously not going to be crappy in the long run, but right now we're still hurting for money. While all B1G programs are fully funded in wrestling we sit here at in state tuition only, for the mere fact that we have no money while everyone else is flush with cash. That's what I would call a crappy situation right now.So were behind the 8 ball scholarship and facility wise. MD got their money up front to help their buyout. RU received nothing. If you think MD is going to be hurting for money even when we have our full share and they don't, you shouldn't UA's got plenty of it for them.

 

[jerzey devil]

Look it's obviously not going to be crappy in the long run, but right now we're still hurting for money. While all B1G programs are fully funded in wrestling we sit here at in state tuition only, for the mere fact that we have no money while everyone else is flush with cash. That's what I would call a crappy situation right now.So were behind the 8 ball scholarship and facility wise. MD got their money up front to help their buyout. RU received nothing. If you think MD is going to be hurting for money even when we have our full share and they don't, you shouldn't UA's got plenty of it for them.

Just 10 yrs ago, wrestling was on the chopping block... Lucky to get 100 people to show up to the barn for a match.. Now we're top 15 in the country.. With a top recruiting class, and things are only going to get better each year!!! Sorry, but things don't look so crappy from here... Goodale and staff have done amazing things without the best support.. So if we can come this far as a program with basically basement bargain support.. Just think how far we can get with more and more support each year!! And BTW.. whats MD record vs us in wrestling with all their up front cash?