BTW - can we wait, I don't know, maybe half a season before claiming any of us can "get a feel" of a HC in his 1st season? lol....
Hate to say it... But this feels like a Flood coached game
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Hate to say it but it sure did. I don;t care about the writing or the FG but our boy Laviano looked B A D. I was half expecting a backup to start the 2nd half.
Did people forget us losing to a putrid 2-9 UConn team at home in 2001? How about hanging on for a nail-biting 23-17 win over winless Navy when they were absolutely terrible? How about Pitt being up 42-0 in the 2nd quarter? How about the awesome 5 points we scored against 4-7 Temple?
"ohhhhh ohhhhh but we're not that bad"...yeah, and we weren't playing Top 15 OOC games or playing in the B1G either. It's all relative.
Joe P.
"ohhhhh ohhhhh but we're not that bad"...yeah, and we weren't playing Top 15 OOC games or playing in the B1G either. It's all relative.
Joe P.
Jeez I actually forgot about 80-7 to WVU. Anyone remember what WVU's record was that year? How about how many BE games they won? I'll save you the Google search: 3-8/ 1-6.
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stop...our cupboard is not that bare and this team, school, and expectations are light years ahead of this. Piss fking poor coaching was on display today, not a lack of talent
BULLSHIT. 3 straight years of crap recruiting has depleted our ranks. Even some of our starters shouldn't be out there on a 1st team and many of us have realized this for a while now. Also, look how bad our ST's have gotten as the perfect example of a lack of quality depth, and speed, currently in this program. Flood's recruiting has put a serious dent into things. Now, that doesn't mean the coaching couldn't have been better today - it damn well could have - but it's game freakin' 1 of the guy's career. Shit's gonna happen.
Remember 80-7? Remember BuffaNova?
...and that was 1-11 MAC doormat Buffalo. Forgot about all the awesome talent those early 2000's Buffalo teams had, winning a total of maybe 14 games from 1999-2006 playing against some of the weakest teams in D1A.
...again, people parroting about all of this 'talent' we have as if repeating themselves will somehow make it true.
Joe P.
...again, people parroting about all of this 'talent' we have as if repeating themselves will somehow make it true.
Joe P.
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You pick and stick with Laviano in game 1 when you are a new head coach to avoid losing your upper class men. You don't do what GS did with cubit and Chad . And I was a GS fan and hated flood.
You play your starters and try to get them reps, esp when installing new system.
I hope drew can alter offense to better fit personnel. But I think Laviano won't be starter long.
How about giving Washington credit.
Hope we are better at end of season than now. Progress and recruiting and installing system.
You play your starters and try to get them reps, esp when installing new system.
I hope drew can alter offense to better fit personnel. But I think Laviano won't be starter long.
How about giving Washington credit.
Hope we are better at end of season than now. Progress and recruiting and installing system.
There's a reason the spread was 26 points. That's a good team with a very good, huge, D-Line, speed where it's needed, and great coaching.
Correct, after the first quarter, this game a was nothing more than a game scrimmage. Running the "one wild knight" was clearly a test run.
If Laviano looked bad, just image how the guys that couldn't beat him out for the job would have looked. Amazing that you guys don't get that.
What Ash inherited far, far exceeds what Schiano inherited, in both the players, the facilities and the program. No comparison whatsoever.
...and Schiano didn't play in the B1G or open up against the #14 team in the country...and we still lost to some putrid, putrid teams where the 'talent' argument goes out the window (2002 Buffalo, 2001 UConn).
Ash also didn't inherit what Flood did from Schiano in 2012.
Joe P.
I guess USC hired the wrong guy, too. Getting man-handled by 'Bama. 80 total yards, 3 points, midway through the 3rd. Down 31-3.
Spot-on. Here on my thoughts:
- there are still many here who believe that Flood shouldn't have been fired and recruited every "hidden gem" and "under-the-radar" guy in the nation, and that he would have turned it around this year...or next...or the year after...
- there are some here who wanted Schiano back and are butt-hurt that we didn't make it happen
- there are some here who are going to complain when we're 10-2 again.
While I'm not bailing on Ash, USC did hire the wrong guy. Helton doesn't have the profile to coach USC. He'll be on the street in 3 years
That's a strawman argument and not what this discussion is about.
The talent level of the players Ash inherited is head and shoulders above what Schiano got. Absolutely no comparison. Hell, he had to tap a tight end (Boehrer) and a fullback (Pilch) for his first 4-5 years to play center. We had no depth whatsoever. And our schedule always included Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse and Miami, of whom usually half or more of those teams were ranked.
And a good number of Schiano's, one of which was subbed out for one of Flood's recruits, because the former was getting beaten like a drum at the line of scrimmage.
...and again there's still a relative scale -up in terms of competition that you for some reason won't recognize. cuse wasn't ranked after 2001. Also disagree about your alleged 'strawman'; is it true or false that Ash inherited a worse team talent-wise than Flood did?
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I think the talent Ash inherited probably didn't improve as much as they should after playing under Flood and his staff and now with the change in offense bringing out that talent is harder for Ash to do.
Making RU more competitive when playing programs like Washington will be a lot harder than some of us ( even if it's just me) thought before seeing how Rutgers played against Washington and how easily Washington beat RU.. .
Riddle me this:
1. How does App. State hang with Tennessee and take them to OT?
2. How does UMass hang with Florida for most of the game?
3. How does Fresno State hang with Nebraska for most of the game (getting out of hand now)?
4. How does WMU beat Northwestern?
5. How does Furman not get crushed by Michigan State?
Some pretty huge talent differentials.
Stop with the blame game on Flood and his recruits. Put square pro-set pegs in a round spread holes on a road game against a top 15 team with a massive DL, and what did people expect?
Some valid points made above with coaching decisions on offense. Running the wild knight with Bailey was a head scratcher.
Our OL is 60% Schiano recruits, and one of them was subbed out for a Flood recruit, because he could not get the job done today.
As for Laviano- He won the job and he didn't do anything in the game that justified pulling the kid. He was out there battling and trying to make plays. He showed toughness. When Laviano was calm in the pocket, he did a good job.
Lulz. Did you really just argue our BE +Schiano-doctored OOC was as tough as this year's schedule.
Riddle me that: how many of those teams you cited had 1st year head coaches taking over a 4-8 squad who were implementing totally new schemes on both sides of the ball?..and after 3.5 classes, Flood recruited 1-2 players capable of supplanting a Schiano recruit...awesome.
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Don't know. Just know that this specific question was brought up in the presser and Ash addressed it. Look, I am not picking on Schiano's recruits vs. Flood's recruits. But this blanket argument about Flood's recruits being the sole reason for today's performance is ridiculous.
I would hope no one is arguing the last point, but it's pretty obvious that it's likely a big contributing factor. Not the only factor, but the people trying to minimize it look more out of touch than someone trying to sell VCR's at $1000 a pop.
Joe P.
The overall average level of competition in the Big Ten is a little better than what we faced in the old Big East, but both Miami and Virginia Tech were Top 10 teams during the first years of Schiano's tenure. Hell, in his 2nd year, he faced #1 Miami, #3 Virginia Tech, #8 Notre Dame and #11 Tennessee.
I think we agree. But as I just posted elsewhere--it was new coaches, implementing new schemes against a killer DL, with a talent differential. Nobody is naive to not acknowledge the third point, but there are some posts here inferring that this is the SOLE reason for today's blowout. Today's game was like putting a rock band in a battle of bands against jazz bands, where the rock band never played jazz live. I am not discouraged by today's result. Good coaches and teams will take the learning experience and turn the page.
The Flood supporters are out in force today I see.
Anybody with half a football brain could see that the talent difference between the two teams is night and day. When Wharton got smoked, he wasn't out of position, the other kid was simply faster. Washington returned 9 starters on offense last year from a team that averaged 40 points a game their last 6 games, kicking on all offensive cylinders. And, they also returned their fastest offensive player (Ross) who didn't even play last year to that squad. And lest we forget, this is probably the best defense in the Pac 12.
People judging Ash based on this game are simply stupid.
Anybody with half a football brain could see that the talent difference between the two teams is night and day. When Wharton got smoked, he wasn't out of position, the other kid was simply faster. Washington returned 9 starters on offense last year from a team that averaged 40 points a game their last 6 games, kicking on all offensive cylinders. And, they also returned their fastest offensive player (Ross) who didn't even play last year to that squad. And lest we forget, this is probably the best defense in the Pac 12.
People judging Ash based on this game are simply stupid.
We played a team with better talent and better coaching today. I consider Petersen a top 10 coach. I was disappointed that our offense was not dynamic and did not spread the field enough, and our safeties seemed to not help on long passes. I give Loviano credit for battling the whole way but I never understand the unwillingness to not try a different qb when things are off the rails, especially when that qb is hobbling and has made some poor plays. If Gio is 2 then he should have gotten snaps to get him experience and reward him for hard work. They showed Rettig at one point and I felt for the kid. He has the best arm on the team and maybe plays better in games than practice but it looks like we will never know. In a game like today what harm would have come giving other qb's a series?
You do realize Ross was injured last year and he torched defenses in 2014. Not many defenders were going to keep up with him. And I am not supporting Flood or judging Ash. BTW Ash recognized Ross' speed and ability in his presser. Sometimes you have to give credit to the playmaker and not blame the defender.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-draft-radar-with-three-big-play-tds-in-rout/
Optimism was high that Ross, a honorable mention All-Pac-12 returner, would return to his playmaking ways after he was clocked at an eye-popping 4.25 seconds in the 40-yard dash by Washington coaches.
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That's my point. That team was smoking teams by an average of 40 point a game in their last 6 games. Then they add Ross. They got even better. Wharton wasn't out of position. He wasn't "badly"coached. Ross was simply faster and more talented. Washington was simply faster and more talented.
Good god no! Once Schiano started changing the schedule around 2004-2005, we had a pretty easy OOC schedule and, of course, with the loss of Miami and Virginia Tech, the BE schedule got a mite easier. But the first couple of years the OOC schedule was set before Schiano's time, and, with the squad he inherited from Shea, we pretty much were an ass-whoopin' waiting to happen.
Actually no, but since you act like vice-president of the Flood Fan Club maybe it just seems that way to you.
Joe P.
And Ross was recruited as a cornerback and a tope 250 player in his class. He is elite. It is going to take us a while to recruit at the elite level.
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