Hate to say it... But this feels like a Flood coached game
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You guys want an indicator in how to judge Ash, here's one. It is perfectly normal to judge who starts in the first game from the body of work during training camp. But by 3rd or 4th game, the body of work should include the game experiences. We have guys that are great practice players but when the lights come on, are total duds. And then there are guys that are opposite. A good coaching staff will figure this out and will eventually play the best players based on TOTAL body of work.
If by the 5th game, guys like Goodwin or Laviano are still playing, then by all means - bash away at Chris Ash.
If by the 5th game, guys like Goodwin or Laviano are still playing, then by all means - bash away at Chris Ash.
Iowa State lost to Northern Iowa. Washington State lost to Eastern Washington. That's much worse than being smashed by an actually good team.
Virginia got smashed by Richmond in Bronco Mendenhall's debut.
Chris didn't have the worst debut!
I am always comforted being deemed the least worst!!!!
Reminds me of a fabulous album:
That's exactly what we have... several of them on this staff, actually. Combine that with what proves, more and more each game, to be sub par recruiting over the last several years (note the declining number of NFL draft picks since Schiano left), and what do you get?
We've seen this before... circa the year 2000. True, the talent Ash inherited is way better than what GS was left with, but we're also playing a much different level of competition week in and week out. I was hoping we wouldn't have to go through another complete rebuild, but I suppose there are no shortcuts. Buckle up folks. Lower your expectations and prepare to be patient. Either that, or risk losing your mind.
Of course there's a Rutgers connection there. Craig Littlepage is Virginia's athletic director.
Also no comparison to the level of competition we have to face on a weekly basis. It's all relative. C'mon. Try to look at the whole picture. True, our program is much better overall than when GS took over. But, that didn't happen in a vacuum. The neighborhood we compete in today far exceeds, and is much tougher than, the schedule GS had to deal with at that time, and we simply haven't kept up with the Joneses.
I thought Kyle Flood made mistakes as a head coach, some were minor and some were major blunders, this is why both he and Julie were let go. But let's be clear if Flood had a better handle on the team and did not lose all those athletes last year, Rutgers was on its way to an 8 win season. What I witnessed in Ash's first game was gross inexperience from a head coaching perspective and borderline incompetence by the offensive coordinator and assistants. This coaching staff better have this team ready to play next week.
Now there's a cogent, spot-on argument to support your position.
Spanky, take a poll of the board if you want and ask people if they think you have a heavy bias in favor of Flood. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees it.
Joe P.
...you may have just set a world record for distance jumping to a conclusion. If you had said '6-6' I could have believed it.
Joe P.
It's not that hard to understand. We don't have a QB or any WRs outside of Grant. Defense is ok.
Goodwin is a more versatile RB, but Hicks moves the chains better. The coaches saw that by the second quarter and used him for pretty much the rest of the game.
It would be nice if Gio could step up and RN the offense better, but I'm also realistic. Gio is not going to magically save our offense.
Goodwin is a more versatile RB, but Hicks moves the chains better. The coaches saw that by the second quarter and used him for pretty much the rest of the game.
It would be nice if Gio could step up and RN the offense better, but I'm also realistic. Gio is not going to magically save our offense.
How about practicing TD tries? That was a Flood-like decision. We ripped Flood for that last year so many times and Ash deserves criticism too.
As another poster said, starting Goodwin was a red flag. The coaches should have seen that Hicks is the better runner just by looking at last year's film. And to make matters worse, Hicks sat on the bench when Goodwin got the ball on 3rd and 1 on the very first series of the game. Did they not even know that Hicks was number one in the B1G last year on third down conversions? That was a bad start for the Ash era with head-scratcher of a decision on the starting RB.
On the other hand you are showing that lesser talented teams are beating more talented teams.
Maybe he is out of shape, or didn't show it in practice. These guys are kids and can get distracted and derailed at times.
A red flag? You want the coaches to start players based on film from last year? lol get a grip. Goodwin makes the least amount of mistakes out there but does not get the yardage that Hicks and Martin seem to get. Hardly a head scratcher.
The spread offense is not that different then a pro style. At least not to the point where guys who have played football their whole live don't understand how to play it.
Well maybe he is placing too much importance on minimizing mistakes? Or maybe too much importance on Goodwin's ability to catch passes?
If one argument is that Flood left Ash no talent, but Ash then uses a less impactful player, does that argument not lose merit?
Look, one game, against a better team. I won't make a big deal of it. But becoming an Ash apologist is no better then the Flood apologists.
did you know some race horses work out like Secretariat in the morning but suck in races?
Coaches should play kids that can produce. Do you recruit kids that make the least amount of mistakes?
You defeat the purpose of a no huddle up tempo offense by substituting. There was no where to run, Hicks would have been stopped as well.
Here's the thing with Goodwin over Hicks. Anyone who has watched RU the past 2 years knew darn well Hicks is far and away a better runner.
Hick's might have warts, Goodwin might bring elements that Hicks does not, and for a second there as the game approached and Goodwin was named starter I thought, hey maybe Goodwin is ready to break out, but yesterday proved what most RU fans already knew, Hick's is a better RB then Goodwin.
Hick's might have warts, Goodwin might bring elements that Hicks does not, and for a second there as the game approached and Goodwin was named starter I thought, hey maybe Goodwin is ready to break out, but yesterday proved what most RU fans already knew, Hick's is a better RB then Goodwin.
Have you thought of the fact the....
The coaches, both this year and last year saw all the QBS in practice. They knew none of them were ready to compete at this level. Flood kept laviano/Nova in because they knew at their worst, they were still better than anybody behind them at their best?Maybe?
Retigg lived in california for too long, not a general. Not the right mentality. Lacks great movement, not a leader.
Who else was behind him?Free retigg?No, I think the coaches just knew he was at best, at best, a backup qb they hoped to never have in the game.
So all of us were saying flood was too stubborn, etc. Bring in retigg, give others a shot. Well maybe our backup was that bad. They never wanted to have any of them in a game.
Furthermore, Ash better show results. He and his staff put in a lot of work to get these recruits. If they lost them, and got slaughtered in games, possibility of them leaving would be high.
I hope Ash finds his way. It would be a true shame to the program and university if commits left.
The coaches, both this year and last year saw all the QBS in practice. They knew none of them were ready to compete at this level. Flood kept laviano/Nova in because they knew at their worst, they were still better than anybody behind them at their best?Maybe?
Retigg lived in california for too long, not a general. Not the right mentality. Lacks great movement, not a leader.
Who else was behind him?Free retigg?No, I think the coaches just knew he was at best, at best, a backup qb they hoped to never have in the game.
So all of us were saying flood was too stubborn, etc. Bring in retigg, give others a shot. Well maybe our backup was that bad. They never wanted to have any of them in a game.
Furthermore, Ash better show results. He and his staff put in a lot of work to get these recruits. If they lost them, and got slaughtered in games, possibility of them leaving would be high.
I hope Ash finds his way. It would be a true shame to the program and university if commits left.
Well I think when you are basically worth zero to the performance of a team another guy trying wouldn't make much difference. But yeah I'll go with the implication that the others are worse. Which makes me ask why are they still on scholarship? Surely 1 Laviano and two worse than Laviano backups are plenty for any football team. o_O
Sounds like when Schiano was nominated for saint hood when he came here, now
here we go again. For starters they both went with the wrong QB. Looks like we
will be going through growing pains, I hope it doesn't take 11 years again. :weary:
LOL OK...we don't lack talent and Ash made plenty of mistakes out there. the kids were not prepared, the offense scheme is still in question, anyone know what it is?
You and others want to continually harp on Flood but the problem today was not talent, it was coaching and lack of preparation. UW is not 24-0 in the first quarter better than us. They HAVE NOT lit it up in recruiting....
fking piss poor job by the coaches
5th game????? If Ash can't tell by the 2nd game then I'm sorry, I'd rather Toms River East's football coach at the helm
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