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Just in case they missed it in the GoFund me post.

RU is now trying to shut down an effort by fans to donate to the University.

This administration- rather than taking the initiative and asking for the list of donors to actively involve them- says take your money and eff yourself with it.

All because we want the money to go towards firing a coach who needs to win out to have more wins than players arrested.

This admin is feckless. If they had any balls, any leadership, any common sense, you take the money, you work with donors, you reach out and try to understand.

Now JH and Barchi have foisted another media storm upon themselves.

Let me ask this admin, how much is it going to cost you now to in bad publicity than it would have cost after emailgate to do the right thing by the students, alums, and fans?

You have crossed the Rubicon on this one...I am not sure Flood should be the only gone this time, and if you have the gall to give the entire fanbase the finger and keep Flood, come out to midfield during Maryland and tell all 10 in attendance because they will be the only ones you see next year.
 
I never thought in a million years, an institution that begs for money at every turn would tell the group of people that love it the most that they were a bunch of fradusters....while supporting a coach who committed academic fraud....

As my mother would say in her best Brooklynese, they cooked their own goose. It is flabbergasting.
 
Beg?? Really?? RU Foundation exists to build endowments to secure the future success of the University as a whole. Stupid childish acts like this GoFundMe campaign are an embarrassment to my alma mater. Your attempt to "donate to the University" is ridiculous and now your rage against the perfectly understandable University response is pathetic. Please go away and find another team to be a so-called fan of.
 
Beg?? Really?? RU Foundation exists to build endowments to secure the future success of the University as a whole. Stupid childish acts like this GoFundMe campaign are an embarrassment to my alma mater. Your attempt to "donate to the University" is ridiculous and now your rage against the perfectly understandable University response is pathetic. Please go away and find another team to be a so-called fan of.

I happen to find Kyle Flood's breach of Rutgers academic protocol for Nadir Barnwell, fostering an atmosphere in which multiple players were arrested for violent crimes (and that's not even mentioning his poor record as head coach and baffling personnel/scheme decisions) to be way more embarrassing to my two-time alma mater than an increasingly effective GoFundMe campaign designed to donate to the university.
 
Yes beg.

Just wait if they keep Flood. Which is the only way I'd go anywhere, and thousands will with me. Let them beg then.

I am not letting this admin and Flood take down my alma mater because they are a bunch of penny pinching braindead weasels.

We won't go down without a fight. We are the majority, and this admin will have to respect that or move along.
 
I don't have issue with them returning the money. If fans want to set it up and donate to it, that's their prerogative but there's a decorum with how this should be handled from the admin side. Fans can act like fans but the admin can't be endorsing a lynch mob calling for someone's head. If that gofundme was specifically set up for say the B10 champ fund or some facility fund or scholarship I think they would have taken the money with open arms.

Instead, it's got the feel of a lynch mob and just gives an "ugly" feel to it all, similar to the planes flying over Golden's games. They can't endorse that kind of thing by accepting the money. Expressing your displeasure behind the scenes or through correspondence is something that can be discussed but to do it in such a public way isn't something I think any admin would get behind forget about just RU.

It's like when everyone was screaming for JH to come out and support Flood publicly during the email thing like Ohara did. As fan or alum you can say what you like but if you're in the admin things have to be handled in a certain way and fashion. It turns out not saying anything publicly was the right tact and behind scenes support was given so both sides of the fence were played. Fans and alums have no consequences, the admin does. Accepting the money would be a public endorsement of the lynch mob and I completely understand their side of it.

That being said, I don't think the returning of the money means anything with regards to Flood's fate one way or another. What's going to happen to him staying or going is going to happen regardless of what they did with that money. I don't think the Miami admin supported that flying of those banners above the games or the outspokenness of the NFL guys but it didn't change how they handled Golden's fate. If anything it's served it's purpose by being public and making the displeasure of some louder and clearer. The money in itself and the accepting of it doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things. Not accepting the money doesn't mean he's staying, it'll be affected by whatever metrics they were going to judge him on at the end of season anyway.
 
Beg?? Really?? RU Foundation exists to build endowments to secure the future success of the University as a whole. Stupid childish acts like this GoFundMe campaign are an embarrassment to my alma mater. Your attempt to "donate to the University" is ridiculous and now your rage against the perfectly understandable University response is pathetic. Please go away and find another team to be a so-called fan of.

LOL, the University's response was THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT TO DO!

They took a tiny campaign that was reported on a few websites and helped make it a major story -- all within 24 hours. If you think this is the proper way to handle this you should reach a book on PR crisis management. (btw, this wasn't a crisis situation, but they turned it into one)
 
I don't have issue with them returning the money. If fans want to set it up and donate to it, that's their prerogative but there's a decorum with how this should be handled from the admin side. Fans can act like fans but the admin can't be endorsing a lynch mob calling for someone's head. If that gofundme was specifically set up for say the B10 champ fund or some facility fund or scholarship I think they would have taken the money with open arms.

Instead, it's got the feel of a lynch mob and just gives an "ugly" feel to it all, similar to the planes flying over Golden's games. They can't endorse that kind of thing by accepting the money. Expressing your displeasure behind the scenes or through correspondence is something that can be discussed but to do it in such a public way isn't something I think any admin would get behind forget about just RU.

It's like when everyone was screaming for JH to come out and support Flood publicly during the email thing like Ohara did. As fan or alum you can say what you like but if you're in the admin things have to be handled in a certain way and fashion. It turns out not saying anything publicly was the right tact and behind scenes support was given so both sides of the fence were played. Fans and alums have no consequences, the admin does. Accepting the money would be a public endorsement of the lynch mob and I completely understand their side of it.

That being said, I don't think the returning of the money means anything with regards to Flood's fate one way or another. What's going to happen to him staying or going is going to happen regardless of what they did with that money. I don't think the Miami admin supported that flying of those banners above the games or the outspokenness of the NFL guys but it didn't change how they handled Golden's fate. If anything it's served it's purpose by being public and making the displeasure of some louder and clearer. The money in itself and the accepting of it doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things. Not accepting the money doesn't mean he's staying, it'll be affected by whatever metrics they were going to judge him on at the end of season anyway.

We are at a crossroads. This would be a perfect excuse for firing him now, seeing if Norries could get to 6 wins and a bowl, and a full stadium against Nebraska Saturday.

They could have said we take fan concerns seriously. We appreciate our donors. We will reach out individually. They could just say we'll evaluate at the end of the season.

JH could actually come out to the lots on Saturday and tell us she cares.

They are clueless.

Flood when told had a typical NJ public employee brat reaction. Oh well I have support- not that he is going to work to win fans back.

And part of that answer is because he reports to the Dumb and Dumber.
 
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Some folks take themselves too seriously. I applaud the efforts of the Gofundme page. It was a stunt to focus attention on an unacceptable situation at our head coach job. It also show dissatisfaction with the status quo. It got in the papers and on twitter. Good job - mission accomplished.

But if you have serious bucks to get us a new coach - contact the ADs office directly - don't jerk around with something like this. It is no shock they asked to take the thing to down. Jeez
 
I am no fan of the Administration's lack of enthusiasm for football or for their seeming lack of understanding of how sports success builds greater success (e.g., last Friday's NY Times article on the U of Alabama). However from an institutional point of view, their actions are understandable, if no less objectionable.

First, to the extent the Rutgers name/trademark is being used for a commercial purpose (fundraising in this context could be deemed to be that), they have no choice but to take this action to protect their rights in the mark.

But also, and this is not so much a legal issue, if I were a major university or other organization with a reputation to protect, I would do all I could to prevent activities that try to put my organization in a bad light. The gofundme thing, as appealing as it is to many of us, actually puts the university in a bad light in that it suggests (correctly or not) that (i) certain constituencies of the organization have no faith in the leadership of that organization and (ii) the organization is poorly financed. Both of these are true in the case of RU, but it's not something that an organization likes to see broadcast about itself.

But also, I believe the gofundme campaign makes RU look bad in a way that hurts us all. It tells the world (and we already know it) that we are pikers when it comes to having the money to hire a good coach. That we have no major donors and we have to raise money by tiny donations like they did when France promised us the statue of liberty - school kids gave pennies to build the base. Again this is true and sad but (i) it is very unlikely to yield even a tiny fraction of the funds we need and (ii) creates great fodder for all of the coaches recruiting against us who I'm sure already tell recruits that we will never have the facilities and resources that the big boys do.

So for these reasons I see this fundraising campaign as counterproductive and harmful to RU's image. The only positive is that it brings into sharp relief for the administration to see the anti-Flood feelings held by so many in the RU community.
 
Yes beg.

Just wait if they keep Flood. Which is the only way I'd go anywhere, and thousands will with me. Let them beg then.

I am not letting this admin and Flood take down my alma mater because they are a bunch of penny pinching braindead weasels.

We won't go down without a fight. We are the majority, and this admin will have to respect that or move along.
If you've got serious money to get us a new coach, go for it.
 
Beg?? Really?? RU Foundation exists to build endowments to secure the future success of the University as a whole. Stupid childish acts like this GoFundMe campaign are an embarrassment to my alma mater. Your attempt to "donate to the University" is ridiculous and now your rage against the perfectly understandable University response is pathetic. Please go away and find another team to be a so-called fan of.

... but you have no issue with an agent of the University blatantly and deliberately violating the academic policy and honor code for his own selfish gain? How does that contribute to the future success of the University as a whole? His actions were the epitome of "stupid childish acts" as you put it. How can you support such a person to continue to be one of the most public representatives of your alma mater?
 
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We are at a crossroads. This would be a perfect excuse for firing him now, seeing if Norries could get to 6 wins and a bowl, and a full stadium against Nebraska Saturday.

They could have said we take fan concerns seriously. We appreciate our donors. We will reach out individually. They could just say we'll evaluate at the end of the season.

JH could actually come out to the lots on Saturday and tell us she cares.

They are clueless.

Flood when told had a typical NJ public employee brat reaction. Oh well I have support- not that he is going to work to win fans back.

And part of that answer is because he reports to the Dumb and Dumber.
I've never thought there was a realistic chance of him being fired in season to begin with. It was always going to be at the end of the season to me if it was going to happen, like it usually does before this year's silly season coaching movement.

I don't know did Miami say anything when those banners were being flown or all those NFL guys were chirping constantly about Golden since last year? I can't say for sure but not that I know of. They took care of business in the way you'd expect the admin too. They can't be acknowledging a lynch mob publicly, whatever is going to be handled was always going to be handled with decorum and behind closed doors as it should be. Whatever metrics were in place before to judge him are still in place now and that's what will get him barring any other issue coming out in the report.

Accepting the money is inconsequential. His fate is going to be his fate with or without it and from their end they can't be endorsing this kind of behavior. The campaign has served it's purpose by being public. The displeasure of some is being heard but beyond that I can't expect them to acknowledge it and I don't think most other admins would either. How many times have charities given back money because it may have come from unsavory sources? It's nothing new. This isn't an unsavory source but the spirit of it all and the lynch mob ugly feel of it all isn't something where they can just accept the money.
 
Instead, it's got the feel of a lynch mob and just gives an "ugly" feel to it all, similar to the planes flying over Golden's games
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Because we have a tone deaf administration and a coach dead set on running the program aground in an effort to try to prove his point. That's why the "lynch mob" mentality exists.
 
I am no fan of the Administration's lack of enthusiasm for football or for their seeming lack of understanding of how sports success builds greater success (e.g., last Friday's NY Times article on the U of Alabama). However from an institutional point of view, their actions are understandable, if no less objectionable.

First, to the extent the Rutgers name/trademark is being used for a commercial purpose (fundraising in this context could be deemed to be that), they have no choice but to take this action to protect their rights in the mark.

But also, and this is not so much a legal issue, if I were a major university or other organization with a reputation to protect, I would do all I could to prevent activities that try to put my organization in a bad light. The gofundme thing, as appealing as it is to many of us, actually puts the university in a bad light in that it suggests (correctly or not) that (i) certain constituencies of the organization have no faith in the leadership of that organization and (ii) the organization is poorly financed. Both of these are true in the case of RU, but it's not something that an organization likes to see broadcast about itself.

But also, I believe the gofundme campaign makes RU look bad in a way that hurts us all. It tells the world (and we already know it) that we are pikers when it comes to having the money to hire a good coach. That we have no major donors and we have to raise money by tiny donations like they did when France promised us the statue of liberty - school kids gave pennies to build the base. Again this is true and sad but (i) it is very unlikely to yield even a tiny fraction of the funds we need and (ii) creates great fodder for all of the coaches recruiting against us who I'm sure already tell recruits that we will never have the facilities and resources that the big boys do.

So for these reasons I see this fundraising campaign as counterproductive and harmful to RU's image. The only positive is that it brings into sharp relief for the administration to see the anti-Flood feelings held by so many in the RU community.


Come on. By making a stink, the admin made it WORSE. They could have responded by saying they take it seriously, going to evaluate, appreciate the help...but no

They can hire Dino Babers for Flood's salary and give him an exponential raise.

This is no longer about money. This is about competence.

They deserve all the heat they are getting, and worse, and it will get worse if they don't get real.

There is nothing stopping them from firing Flood now, handing over the reigns to Norries, getting Towers to cough up his Flood blood money, and beginning a search, and putting Flood, the arrests, the scandals, the GoFundMe, and maybe even a losing season in history.

But they won't, because they are feckless, clueless, rudderless, and running scared. They have no balls. They should not be in a charge of a lemonade stand, nevermind a B1G school.

Enough is enough.
 
I've never thought there was a realistic chance of him being fired in season to begin with. It was always going to be at the end of the season to me if it was going to happen, like it usually does before this year's silly season coaching movement.

I don't know did Miami say anything when those banners were being flown or all those NFL guys were chirping constantly about Golden since last year? I can't say for sure but not that I know of. They took care of business in the way you'd expect the admin too. They can't be acknowledging a lynch mob publicly, whatever is going to be handled was always going to be handled with decorum and behind closed doors as it should be. Whatever metrics were in place before to judge him are still in place now and that's what will get him barring any other issue coming out in the report.

Accepting the money is inconsequential. His fate is going to be his fate with or without it and from their end they can't be endorsing this kind of behavior. The campaign has served it's purpose by being public. The displeasure of some is being heard but beyond that I can't expect them to acknowledge it and I don't think most other admins would either. How many times have charities given back money because it may have come from unsavory sources? It's nothing new. This isn't an unsavory source but the spirit of it all and the lynch mob ugly feel of it all isn't something where they can just accept the money.

Miami did it the right way, I think. They didn't cry about the fans. They took decisive action.

Flood should have been fired when the email report came out. It should have never come to do this, but it did, because whoever is making these calls is braindead. They will cost RU way more than it would have cost to fire him for cause when they should have in September.
 
Miami did it the right way, I think. They didn't cry about the fans. They took decisive action.

Flood should have been fired when the email report came out. It should have never come to do this, but it did, because whoever is making these calls is braindead. They will cost RU way more than it would have cost to fire him for cause when they should have in September.
Miami did it the right way but you realize there has been chirping and displeasure about Golden since last year and especially Mark D. You think they acted quickly but they didn't. It's been bubbling for a year or so before they let him go.
 
Lol at lynch mob. We have so many small time posters on here that need to get out more often and follow college football beyond just rutgers. Miami just had someone pay airplanes to drag "fire al golden" banners over the stadium. In michigan they had "fire lloyd" t shirts being worn by people who wanted a pretty successful coach fired. Fans boo in stadiums all over the place. Please take your ivy league 1aa views of football down to princeton. Like it or not they are out of step with big time football. Nice is not going to get the job done. Save that for pop warner.
 
How can you support such a person to continue to be one of the most public representatives of your alma mater?

Where did you get that from my post. Never mentioned whether I support Flood or don't. I was commenting on my opinion of this effort and how misguided I believe it to be. I didn't care for some of the things that went on either, but this righteous indignation is way over the top.
 
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Miami did it the right way but you realize there has been chirping and displeasure about Golden since last year and especially Mark D. You think they acted quickly but they didn't. It's been bubbling for a year or so before they let him go.

Flood was almost fired in 2013....I was at that infamous USF game...I would say there has been chirping for years and there was a severely bad incident which RU tried to whitewash which is way worse than Miami...which shows how we have sunk.
 
Lol at lynch mob. We have so many small time posters on here that need to get out more often and follow college football beyond just rutgers. Miami just had someone pay airplanes to drag "fire al golden" banners over the stadium. In michigan they had "fire lloyd" t shirts being worn by people who wanted a pretty successful coach fired. Fans boo in stadiums all over the place. Please take your ivy league 1aa views of football down to princeton. Like it or not they are out of step with big time football. Nice is not going to get the job done. Save that for pop warner.
Yes and did any of those "big time" ADs acknowledge any of those public calls for firing? Call it what you like no admin is going to publicly endorse or acknowledge public dismissal of their coaches. I pay plenty of attention to what goes on around football as opposed to many others here who are way too insular. I've said so before. I'm the one who brought up the Miami and this isn't any different, just a matter of degree. Setting up fire such and such websites all the same and no admin is going to publicly acknowledge or endorse such displays.

The fans can do what they feel like and the admin will hear it but they're not going to acknowledge it and whatever's going to be done will be done regardless. Not endorsing/acknowledging or endorsing the public calls doesn't mean a firing won't happen it just means there's a way you have to handle your business if you're the admin.
 
Flood was almost fired in 2013....I was at that infamous USF game...I would say there has been chirping for years and there was a severely bad incident which RU tried to whitewash which is way worse than Miami...which shows how we have sunk.
I would never have hired the guy in the first place and I said I was doubtful right from the start and I'm not one who cares about recruiting as much as others. The recruits could have gone wherever they were going to go. I would have been perfectly fine letting him go in 2013 as well. That's not the point. Point is from their end, and any admin not just RU, they can't be acknowledging or endorsing such public calls like this.

The gofundme has done it's job beyond that what will happen to him will happen to him, accepting money or not.
 
"Come on. By making a stink, the admin made it WORSE. They could have responded by saying they take it seriously, going to evaluate, appreciate the help...but no"


Honestly, I was surprised they even let Flood answer a question about it. And very surprised they put up something on the website within 24 hours of the campaign's start. Instead of ignoring it, they gave it a head start.

If $100,000 had been raised that would have been one thing. They responded when there was like $5,000 raised -- that's insane!
 
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Im all for Flood getting fired and for the occasional Rutgers administration bash but I think Notinrhouse and some others are off the deep end here with their faux wadded panties.

what do you really think the school was going to say here...oh yes we love to take the money raised to fire Coach Flood. It does not work that way. Flood will not be fired until the end of the year. I have no problem with that. The school is going to support him until they decide they won't. Stomping up and down like children demanding it be done IMMEDIATELY and that they take the funds is a little childish and you all know I can be a child on these boards
 
Im all for Flood getting fired and for the occasional Rutgers administration bash but I think Notinrhouse and some others are off the deep end here with their faux wadded panties.

what do you really think the school was going to say here...oh yes we love to take the money raised to fire Coach Flood. It does not work that way. Flood will not be fired until the end of the year. I have no problem with that. The school is going to support him until they decide they won't. Stomping up and down like children demanding it be done IMMEDIATELY and that they take the funds is a little childish and you all know I can be a child on these boards

If Julie were all for it, you'd be the loudest trumpet on the board saying what a great idea it is.
 
I never thought in a million years, an institution that begs for money at every turn would tell the group of people that love it the most that they were a bunch of fradusters....while supporting a coach who committed academic fraud....

As my mother would say in her best Brooklynese, they cooked their own goose. It is flabbergasting.

No offense, but weren't you saying that the university should do exactly this with Towers, simply because you don't agree with him? Can't have it both ways.
 
Come on. By making a stink, the admin made it WORSE. They could have responded by saying they take it seriously, going to evaluate, appreciate the help...but no

They can hire Dino Babers for Flood's salary and give him an exponential raise.

This is no longer about money. This is about competence.

They deserve all the heat they are getting, and worse, and it will get worse if they don't get real.

There is nothing stopping them from firing Flood now, handing over the reigns to Norries, getting Towers to cough up his Flood blood money, and beginning a search, and putting Flood, the arrests, the scandals, the GoFundMe, and maybe even a losing season in history.

But they won't, because they are feckless, clueless, rudderless, and running scared. They have no balls. They should not be in a charge of a lemonade stand, nevermind a B1G school.

Enough is enough.


I hear you Not, but I don't agree that it's not about money. Everything about RU is about money (the lack of it) and the creation of the Gofundme thing shows how we all recognize that. Flood has to go, but this pathetic piker approach to doing it, that had absolutely no chance to succeed because no major donors would ever give a meaningful gift though such an amateurish vehicle, isn't the way to go. This is something you might see from a community college or an NAIA Division II school, but it's not something that puts a B1G university with great aspirations in a very flattering light.
 
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Im all for Flood getting fired and for the occasional Rutgers administration bash but I think Notinrhouse and some others are off the deep end here with their faux wadded panties.

what do you really think the school was going to say here...oh yes we love to take the money raised to fire Coach Flood. It does not work that way. Flood will not be fired until the end of the year. I have no problem with that. The school is going to support him until they decide they won't. Stomping up and down like children demanding it be done IMMEDIATELY and that they take the funds is a little childish and you all know I can be a child on these boards


Not really. $10K (and growing) gets some donor attention from the powers that be at Rutgers. It isn't insignificant, especially when you consider the attention it is getting.

Are people really saying fire him today or simply fire him when the season ends? When you have the coach making statements like he has, not to mention the administration laughing off a grassroots fundraising, it isn't a wonder the fans are a little on edge.

As leaders, you don't essentially belittle your customers when they feel this way. But hey, this is Rutgers. They do things different.
 
If Julie were all for it, you'd be the loudest trumpet on the board saying what a great idea it is.


not really...there is a reason I didn't donate to it and I didn't bother to post more than once or twice in the original thread. Its nice to get the message out but other than that getting mad at Rutgers and creating more bad press just because Flood isn't fired IMMEDIATELY isn't going to help

what would help is calling up Julie or Sarah or whoever you talk to when you donate and tell them your concerns and earmark your pledge of donation to be set aside for coaching vacancy.
 
not really...there is a reason I didn't donate to it and I didn't bother to post more than once or twice in the original thread. Its nice to get the message out but other than that getting mad at Rutgers and creating more bad press just because Flood isn't fired IMMEDIATELY isn't going to help

what would help is calling up Julie or Sarah or whoever you talk to when you donate and tell them your concerns and earmark your pledge of donation to be set aside for coaching vacancy.

They are easy know. Julie is powerless.
Her one job is to get donations, and she can't even do that. $1.4 piddily million should be nothing.
 
Not really. $10K (and growing) gets some donor attention from the powers that be at Rutgers. It isn't insignificant, especially when you consider the attention it is getting.

Are people really saying fire him today or simply fire him when the season ends? When you have the coach making statements like he has, not to mention the administration laughing off a grassroots fundraising, it isn't a wonder the fans are a little on edge.

As leaders, you don't essentially belittle your customers when they feel this way. But hey, this is Rutgers. They do things different.


Im not saying its insignificant. Rutgers has heard it, everyone has heard it. However the school just isn't going to sponsor something like this...no school would and you know it. Its exactly the kind of response every school would make...oh and since the school isn't accepting it, basically people can just pledge knowing they will never to pay it
 
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Im not saying its insignificant. Rutgers has heard it, everyone has heard it. However the school just isn't going to sponsor something like this...no school would and you know it. Its exactly the kind of response every school would make...oh and since the school isn't accepting it, basically people can just pledge knowing they will never to pay it
Umm......remember when JH tried to raise money to replace Flood? It didn't end well. They are not going to make the same mistake twice.
 
Im not saying its insignificant. Rutgers has heard it, everyone has heard it. However the school just isn't going to sponsor something like this...no school would and you know it. Its exactly the kind of response every school would make...oh and since the school isn't accepting it, basically people can just pledge knowing they will never to pay it

Hud hit the nail on the head. That would be how a mature, competent organization would respond to this, while getting funds it desperately needs.

But Rutgers does things different. Telling the fanbase to go F themselves when they are doing something the school needs more than anything isn't exactly the strategy you get taught in customer relations 101.

Whoever crafter and approved that response should be fired immediately. They are unfit to deal with the public.
 
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