Hint of Potential Offensive Improvement From RU for 2018-2019 Season?

[jellyman]

In the Thiamoruyi thread, I posted the below, which I thought might be worth its own thread.

I think MAYBE, we might have seen a hint of potential offensive improvement for RU for 2018-2019 season during a portion of the Maryland game - which admittedly does depend on additional improvements from Omoruyi and Thiam, amongst others.

Anyway, my post from that thread:

For NEXT season, I hope to see an improved mid-range shot from Omoruyi. That will make him MUCH more difficult to defend. I noticed he hit a nice little 10-12 foot shot in the paint against Maryland, yesterday. If he continues to develop in the off-season, and can be comfortable taking and hitting that shot, that makes him into a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Already you see him get MANY fewer shots blocked than does freeman, I am pretty sure.

And if Thiam can gain a little additional strength in the off-season, and improve his mid-range and post game - also in the off-season - then with his improvement versus LAST season, i think that could make HIM a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Add Baker, and improved strength from him, and maybe with that, greater shooting consistency ... now you have a core of 2 JR's and a SO around whom you can build.

By the way, for a short stretch against Maryland, while RU was coming back temporarily, you saw a flash of what an improved RU offense might look like next season. Thiam from 3, but ALSO from the low post - and RU's PF and C (Sa and Omoruyi cutting to the basket from the foul line, off the double team of Thiam). I could see an offense where Thiam alternates between running baseline to the corners, but also sets up in the low post - and Omoruyi operates in the high post (maybe diagonal to Thiam) - where he has been effective driving to the basket for made shots ... but if he adds a 12-14 foot shot, that makes him much better from the high post. Doucore and/or Carter and/or Johnson alternates between the low post (when Thiam runs baseline from corner to corner), and at the foul line ... and if their man doubles Thiam, cuts down the lane to receive the pass from Thiam (you saw that twice against Maryland in the 2nd half). And sometimes Omoruyi cuts down the lane also.

I will admit, that is not an offense that Sanders runs very effectively - though Baker is fine. So you mix in a slightly different variation if Sanders comes back - because RU WILL be better next season if Sanders is back, than if he is not back.

Notice, by the way, that when Freeman is double-teamed, he almost NEVER passes to a cutting player from that double-team .. and also RU players rarely flash to the lane when Freeman posts. In my opinion, as I NOW think about it, it may be because RU players never have any idea what Freeman is going to do with the ball when he is in the post. I notice this when I play basketball (albeit pick up ball): When I try to set a screen for a teammate, and roll or slide from that screen, but the teammate with the ball keeps dribbling left and right rather than using my screen, I often just get in his way ... I wonder if some of that is going on with Freeman and his teammates.

 

[higgins3]

I do think Thiam takes another jump. Ru will be better next year than what we are viewing now.

 

[RepeatedCrown6]

If "ifs" and "butts" were candy and nuts wouldn't it be a merry christmas

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Keep thinking those good thoughts J-man.

 

[Vegas pj]

A Happy New Year has been every RU b-ball fans dream for a quarter century now.[cheers]

 

[RUJMM78]

Multiple scoring threats on the court at all times has been lacking which has resulted in so many slow starts placing Rutgers in a catch up mode for the remainder of the game.On the road it has been a total disaster which impacts the ability to even achieve a winning season.

 

[higgins3]

From an article I read.

"Harper matched up against Cresskill's senior forward Luka Radovich, who normally averages 17 points per game, and held him to just two points as Don Bosco Prep steamrolled its way to a 79-30 win at Fairleigh Dickinson's Stratis Arena in the Rothman Center on its Hackensack campus.

"Coach was teasing Ron about guarding Radovich all week in practice," senior forward Marcellus Earlington said. "Ron made sure that he got in his head right from the start. He really wanted that matchup. He knew that Radovich was coming off of a big game. Ron was ready for the challenge and he made sure he shut him down all day."


Good stuff.

 

[RU MAN]

In the Thiamoruyi thread, I posted the below, which I thought might be worth its own thread.

I think MAYBE, we might have seen a hint of potential offensive improvement for RU for 2018-2019 season during a portion of the Maryland game - which admittedly does depend on additional improvements from Omoruyi and Thiam, amongst others.

Anyway, my post from that thread:

For NEXT season, I hope to see an improved mid-range shot from Omoruyi. That will make him MUCH more difficult to defend. I noticed he hit a nice little 10-12 foot shot in the paint against Maryland, yesterday. If he continues to develop in the off-season, and can be comfortable taking and hitting that shot, that makes him into a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Already you see him get MANY fewer shots blocked than does freeman, I am pretty sure.

And if Thiam can gain a little additional strength in the off-season, and improve his mid-range and post game - also in the off-season - then with his improvement versus LAST season, i think that could make HIM a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Add Baker, and improved strength from him, and maybe with that, greater shooting consistency ... now you have a core of 2 JR's and a SO around whom you can build.

By the way, for a short stretch against Maryland, while RU was coming back temporarily, you saw a flash of what an improved RU offense might look like next season. Thiam from 3, but ALSO from the low post - and RU's PF and C (Sa and Omoruyi cutting to the basket from the foul line, off the double team of Thiam). I could see an offense where Thiam alternates between running baseline to the corners, but also sets up in the low post - and Omoruyi operates in the high post (maybe diagonal to Thiam) - where he has been effective driving to the basket for made shots ... but if he adds a 12-14 foot shot, that makes him much better from the high post. Doucore and/or Carter and/or Johnson alternates between the low post (when Thiam runs baseline from corner to corner), and at the foul line ... and if their man doubles Thiam, cuts down the lane to receive the pass from Thiam (you saw that twice against Maryland in the 2nd half). And sometimes Omoruyi cuts down the lane also.

I will admit, that is not an offense that Sanders runs very effectively - though Baker is fine. So you mix in a slightly different variation if Sanders comes back - because RU WILL be better next season if Sanders is back, than if he is not back.

Notice, by the way, that when Freeman is double-teamed, he almost NEVER passes to a cutting player from that double-team .. and also RU players rarely flash to the lane when Freeman posts. In my opinion, as I NOW think about it, it may be because RU players never have any idea what Freeman is going to do with the ball when he is in the post. I notice this when I play basketball (albeit pick up ball): When I try to set a screen for a teammate, and roll or slide from that screen, but the teammate with the ball keeps dribbling left and right rather than using my screen, I often just get in his way ... I wonder if some of that is going on with Freeman and his teammates.

Good post Jelly. I already observed and brought up Thiam's game. I think Pikiell realizes that Thiam needs to start posting low and using his 6'10" frame. I mentioned in the off season he needs to put on some serious weight and muscle. He then can be a consistent inside outside player, we desperately need.

 

[RU848789]

Lots of good thoughts here, but I'll reiterate something many of us have said before: unless and until Thiam learns how to significantly elevate the release point of his shot, he'll never become a serious jump shooting threat - even 6 foot guards can reject a shot launched from about chin level. This seems to be something he could work on.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Good post Jelly. I already observed and brought up Thiam's game. I think Pikiell realizes that Thiam needs to start posting low and using his 6'10" frame. I mentioned in the off season he needs to put on some serious weight and muscle. He then can be a consistent inside outside player, we desperately need.

Part of this is being able to pass out of the post, because he's 6'9 with long arms....another is he's not shown any consistency on posting up, so it is a surprise and he's being trailed by smaller/quicker players to chase him off the 3 point line.

Another part is perhaps next year, adding Kiss/Mathis as shooting threats would make it more difficult to double Thiam....OR perhaps there is another recruit that is added for 2018, that would be able to also play the SF position and there are creative ways to get as many shooters on the court as possible...truthfully, Thiam has to be more than a 6'9" stationary shooter and he's done more this year like rebound.

He's shooting 42-113 from 3 point range BUT, if you take out his 3 worse games

0-5 CCSU
0-7 Nebraska
1-7 Bryant

In all other games, Thiam is 41-94, which is almost 44% from 3......The only issue is the small number of 3 attempts.....Prior to last nights game at Purdue, Penn State's senior guard, Shep Garner, who prior to this year would have been deemed a major disappointment based on his recruiting status, is 81-198 from 3.....41% shooter from 3.....that's 85 more 3's attempted by Garner than Thiam.

There are other staggering numbers that show how hard the staff is working to overcome things and make the most out of the offense BUT, how confident I am things will be better quickly for RU down the road.

 

[RU848789]

Part of this is being able to pass out of the post, because he's 6'9 with long arms....another is he's not shown any consistency on posting up, so it is a surprise and he's being trailed by smaller/quicker players to chase him off the 3 point line.

Another part is perhaps next year, adding Kiss/Mathis as shooting threats would make it more difficult to double Thiam....OR perhaps there is another recruit that is added for 2018, that would be able to also play the SF position and there are creative ways to get as many shooters on the court as possible...truthfully, Thiam has to be more than a 6'9" stationary shooter and he's done more this year like rebound.

He's shooting 42-113 from 3 point range BUT, if you take out his 3 worse games

0-5 CCSU
0-7 Nebraska
1-7 Bryant

In all other games, Thiam is 41-94, which is almost 44% from 3......The only issue is the small number of 3 attempts.....Prior to last nights game at Purdue, Penn State's senior guard, Shep Garner, who prior to this year would have been deemed a major disappointment based on his recruiting status, is 81-198 from 3.....41% shooter from 3.....that's 85 more 3's attempted by Garner than Thiam.

There are other staggering numbers that show how hard the staff is working to overcome things and make the most out of the offense BUT, how confident I am things will be better quickly for RU down the road.

Good post except the analysis of 3-pt shooting. You simply can't take out bad games. Well you can, but it's statistically indefensible and shouldn't be done. He's 37% from three - end of story.

 

[seels2662]

I actually respectfully disagree with this. Because Mathis, Kiss and Carter arrive next year, I would be satisfied with around the same play from them, maybe slightly better. But we need a huge jump from Doucoure if we are going to go anywhere though. We need him to be really good in the paint next year.

 

[mrslate]

I have been critical of Thiam, but he has showed a pulse of late. He just needs to play the game closer to the basket more often.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Until I see consistent improvement. I'll just consider any postivies with the offense to be an aberration. Personally, I think we are looking for signs of light that just aren't there. To me, there is no way anyone can suggest this team (or players, for that matter), have improved in any aspect since the Seton Hall game.

 

[zebnatto]

Agree that in the remaining three (?) games I want to see a lot of Issa in the post. He needs to get the experience. I think Deshawn as a captain and graduating senior deserves 20 mins per game but not much more than that.

I was too “chicken” to start another Bullock thread, but unless coach knows as fact that he is gone after the season, get him on the floor. Instead of talk about whether or not he can contribute anything at this level, let’s find out.

And, oh—let Mamadou come off the bench.

 

[RUChoppin]

Good post except the analysis of 3-pt shooting. You simply can't take out bad games. Well you can, but it's statistically indefensible and shouldn't be done. He's 37% from three - end of story.

I can see taking out a high and low outlier, at least, but that doesn't move his overall % very much... take out his best game (or two games), and he sits right around the .380-.385% mark, so not much better than the .372 he's shooting if you leave the high/low scores in.

That's still much better than he was shooting last year (.303), though. If he could make some incremental gain to creep closer to a 40% shooter next year, that'd be a big help. Same with Geo (currently .357).

 

[RU848789]

I can see taking out a high and low outlier, at least, but that doesn't move his overall % very much... take out his best game (or two games), and he sits right around the .380-.385% mark, so not much better than the .372 he's shooting if you leave the high/low scores in.

That's still much better than he was shooting last year (.303), though. If he could make some incremental gain to creep closer to a 40% shooter next year, that'd be a big help. Same with Geo (currently .357).

There are statistical "rules" for removal of outliers from a data set and my guess is the data set of games, so far, is such that none of these results in any one game would be considered an outlier. And certainly removal of 3 data points that happen to be only on one side of the mean would never be allowed...without a really good physical explanation, such as he had a broken finger for those 3 games that got better for the rest or he was poked in the eye and it only affected those 3 games.

 

[RC1978]

When Sa sliced to the basket and got the dunk I just said to myself "where has that been all season". I do not know enough about basketball coaching and will not question Coach but we need scoring down low and not just put backs.

 

[RUJMM78]

I actually respectfully disagree with this. Because Mathis, Kiss and Carter arrive next year, I would be satisfied with around the same play from them, maybe slightly better. But we need a huge jump from Doucoure if we are going to go anywhere though. We need him to be really good in the paint next year.

Doucoure might have his minutes reduced because Johnson and Carter will get playing time.

 

[seels2662]

Doucoure might have his minutes reduced because Johnson and Carter will get playing time.

Zero chance. Don't forget we lose Freeman and Sa.

 

[RUChoppin]

There are statistical "rules" for removal of outliers from a data set and my guess is the data set of games, so far, is such that none of these results in any one game would be considered an outlier. And certainly removal of 3 data points that happen to be only on one side of the mean would never be allowed...without a really good physical explanation, such as he had a broken finger for those 3 games that got better for the rest or he was poked in the eye and it only affected those 3 games.

Agree - my comment was just that you can't decide to just carve off the bottom, if you're going to remove a low score, it can't be done in a vacuum. Mentioned the taking off the highest/lowest in the spirit of the Olympics. :D

 

[higgins3]

Zero chance. Don't forget we lose Freeman and Sa.

Why is there zero chance? Who knows what the newcomers will bring. It will be a competition for minutes.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Good post except the analysis of 3-pt shooting. You simply can't take out bad games. Well you can, but it's statistically indefensible and shouldn't be done. He's 37% from three - end of story.

Actually it is relevant because you have 29 total games and in 26 of the 29 games he is a 44% shooter from 3.....it's not as if the difference between 37 and 44% is relevant to the impact the player is having, the point is in a bulk of the games, he's shooting at a level that many would expect him to shoot at....

Baker is shooting 37% from 3.....if you subtract his 7-10 vs Bryant, he is shooting 31% from 3.....I know it's not relevant but on paper, I don't think anyone would equate Baker and Thiam as shooting the same percentage from 3 this year....Baker's 3's have been mostly contested after the Bryant game, where teams are 100% aware that he can knock down 3's....and Thiam's 3's are pretty much not forced (for the most part).

If you told me who I would feel better about taking a 3, under 5 seconds on the shot clock, I would want Baker taking that shot....That is despite both players shooting the same percentage from 3....I am just pointing out that it's probably smarter to take away some of the outliers when it comes to stats....

There are more "stats"....Sanders is 20-93 from 3.....in 5 of those 29 games, Sanders has 2 3 pointers in each of those games....

2 Northwestern (key 3's, including the one that forced /saved OT for RU)
2 vs Purdue at home, 31 point game
2 vs Wisconsin at home....most consistent game on both ends, another win
2 vs Michigan State
2 vs Florida State

There are 10 out of 16 B1G games where Sanders has no 3's made.........Only one of those 10, was a win, vs Iowa, where Thiam and Baker made a lot of 3's and despite Corey not making a 3, he played another complete game on both ends, dominating defensively at times.

The stats for Corey from 3 are very much a launching point for what I believe can change RU's fortunes next year....you have 24 out of 29 games where Corey has just 10 3's made....if there is a way to get his shooting percentages up from 3 and avoid the valleys where he had no 3's made, it would change a LOT.

In the games where Corey seems to knock down 3's or longer 2's, his game goes to another level....what was also ironic about the most important 3, the tying 3 vs Northwestern, was it was him off the ball and they found him with a pass....I don't know if he can be a good 3 point shooter, where he's pressured constantly....Part of giving Baker chances to start the offense and others next year at guard, should help free up Sanders more.....a lot depends on how the roster is reshaped this spring and transfers/departures happen.

 

[RU MAN]

Part of this is being able to pass out of the post, because he's 6'9 with long arms....another is he's not shown any consistency on posting up, so it is a surprise and he's being trailed by smaller/quicker players to chase him off the 3 point line.

Another part is perhaps next year, adding Kiss/Mathis as shooting threats would make it more difficult to double Thiam....OR perhaps there is another recruit that is added for 2018, that would be able to also play the SF position and there are creative ways to get as many shooters on the court as possible...truthfully, Thiam has to be more than a 6'9" stationary shooter and he's done more this year like rebound.

He's shooting 42-113 from 3 point range BUT, if you take out his 3 worse games

0-5 CCSU
0-7 Nebraska
1-7 Bryant

In all other games, Thiam is 41-94, which is almost 44% from 3......The only issue is the small number of 3 attempts.....Prior to last nights game at Purdue, Penn State's senior guard, Shep Garner, who prior to this year would have been deemed a major disappointment based on his recruiting status, is 81-198 from 3.....41% shooter from 3.....that's 85 more 3's attempted by Garner than Thiam.

There are other staggering numbers that show how hard the staff is working to overcome things and make the most out of the offense BUT, how confident I am things will be better quickly for RU down the road.

And Hawk that's why I think we saw Pikiell have Thiam working the low post. And I saw positive glimpses of him. I think this will not only make Issa a more complete player, but will help him and the team when the threes are not going in. For his size there is no way he should be just a stationary player out on the perimeter. I like what I saw the other night in him posting low.

 

[RU MAN]

Zero chance. Don't forget we lose Freeman and Sa.

Personally I think this is good and addition by subtraction.

 

[RU848789]

Actually it is relevant because you have 29 total games and in 26 of the 29 games he is a 44% shooter from 3.....it's not as if the difference between 37 and 44% is relevant to the impact the player is having, the point is in a bulk of the games, he's shooting at a level that many would expect him to shoot at....

Baker is shooting 37% from 3.....if you subtract his 7-10 vs Bryant, he is shooting 31% from 3.....I know it's not relevant but on paper, I don't think anyone would equate Baker and Thiam as shooting the same percentage from 3 this year....Baker's 3's have been mostly contested after the Bryant game, where teams are 100% aware that he can knock down 3's....and Thiam's 3's are pretty much not forced (for the most part).

If you told me who I would feel better about taking a 3, under 5 seconds on the shot clock, I would want Baker taking that shot....That is despite both players shooting the same percentage from 3....I am just pointing out that it's probably smarter to take away some of the outliers when it comes to stats....

There are more "stats"....Sanders is 20-93 from 3.....in 5 of those 29 games, Sanders has 2 3 pointers in each of those games....

2 Northwestern (key 3's, including the one that forced /saved OT for RU)
2 vs Purdue at home, 31 point game
2 vs Wisconsin at home....most consistent game on both ends, another win
2 vs Michigan State
2 vs Florida State

There are 10 out of 16 B1G games where Sanders has no 3's made.........Only one of those 10, was a win, vs Iowa, where Thiam and Baker made a lot of 3's and despite Corey not making a 3, he played another complete game on both ends, dominating defensively at times.

The stats for Corey from 3 are very much a launching point for what I believe can change RU's fortunes next year....you have 24 out of 29 games where Corey has just 10 3's made....if there is a way to get his shooting percentages up from 3 and avoid the valleys where he had no 3's made, it would change a LOT.

In the games where Corey seems to knock down 3's or longer 2's, his game goes to another level....what was also ironic about the most important 3, the tying 3 vs Northwestern, was it was him off the ball and they found him with a pass....I don't know if he can be a good 3 point shooter, where he's pressured constantly....Part of giving Baker chances to start the offense and others next year at guard, should help free up Sanders more.....a lot depends on how the roster is reshaped this spring and transfers/departures happen.

You don't want to get in a stats argument with me. Trust me on that. You simply cannot take Thiam's 3 worst shooting games out because you want to. I don't have time right now to teach you about statistical analysis.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Personally I think this is good and addition by subtraction.

Eugene does not have the offensive game that Freeman has but both are good enough rebounders/defenders where I don't think there is a significant drop off with Eugene playing 25-28 minutes that Freeman is playing this year.....Add Carter for the other 25-28 minutes and you are better next year.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

You don't want to get in a stats argument with me. Trust me on that. You simply cannot take Thiam's 3 worst shooting games out because you want to. I don't have time right now to teach you about statistical analysis.

I'm off work today....LOL...so I have plenty of time.....stats are what they are....used as a guide, not a final item as you believe them to be....

 

[RU MAN]

Eugene does not have the offensive game that Freeman has but both are good enough rebounders/defenders where I don't think there is a significant drop off with Eugene playing 25-28 minutes that Freeman is playing this year.....Add Carter for the other 25-28 minutes and you are better next year.

I think we are going to be better in this area next year. Freeman missed way too many chippies in every game this year especially in B1G games. I think Eugene will improve his offense even more so next season. He made a huge leap this year and I think he can pick up the slack of rebounding. Also I think Carter a legit big man will pick up the slack as well on offense and defense. That's why in my other post I stated "addition by subtraction."

 

[DocRU]

Opposing teams don't respect RU's inside game. They extend their defense to the perimeter choking off our outside game. RU is probably a better shooting team than what we see, but just not enough open looks without post scoring. Carter should be an upgrade over Freeman in this regard. Posting Thiam more is a must. Whatever Eugene can bring us offensively is another plus.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

This is a good post. Here is what I see

1.) our power forward next year is Eugene o and I can see 10 ppg out of him in 26 mpg

2.) doucoure is not a center. He is a four man. I expect him to be good for 4 ppg in the other 14 minutes

3.) carter is gojng to be the center. Low post guys I think he is good for 8-9 ppg in 25 minutes

4.) doorson and Johnson compete for the other 15 minutes. Hoping they can get 4 ppg in their combined 15 minutes

That’s 26-27 ppg up front

5.) I’m may be in the minority...but I don’t see thiam making us a winner at the power forward spot. Just can’t score enough points. If I could...I would red shirt him and try to make him as a high post four. But I just don’t ever see enough offense from him. If a small forward plays 27 minutes a game...he must score 10-12 ppg. I just don’t see that ...we need someone there (and I think it will be Mathis) who can score those type points in those type minutes as a true frosh....and relegate thiam to compete for the back up spot with kiss and Harper

6.) baker and sanders are both good for similar numbers

If we can get enough points from the three spot ...we can finally be a team that could come close to scoring 70 ppg

Tell me we score 70ppg...i say winning season.

 

[knights1212]

Don't forget Myles Johnson should help next year. I am not expecting miracles but the line is that he passes well out of the post and is outplaying all of our centers in practice right now. I hope that is accurate as that is what Coach said at our Court Club meeting just 4 days ago.

 

[LotusAggressor]

In the Thiamoruyi thread, I posted the below, which I thought might be worth its own thread.

I think MAYBE, we might have seen a hint of potential offensive improvement for RU for 2018-2019 season during a portion of the Maryland game - which admittedly does depend on additional improvements from Omoruyi and Thiam, amongst others.

Anyway, my post from that thread:

For NEXT season, I hope to see an improved mid-range shot from Omoruyi. That will make him MUCH more difficult to defend. I noticed he hit a nice little 10-12 foot shot in the paint against Maryland, yesterday. If he continues to develop in the off-season, and can be comfortable taking and hitting that shot, that makes him into a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Already you see him get MANY fewer shots blocked than does freeman, I am pretty sure.

And if Thiam can gain a little additional strength in the off-season, and improve his mid-range and post game - also in the off-season - then with his improvement versus LAST season, i think that could make HIM a double digit scorer (10-11 ppg). Add Baker, and improved strength from him, and maybe with that, greater shooting consistency ... now you have a core of 2 JR's and a SO around whom you can build.

By the way, for a short stretch against Maryland, while RU was coming back temporarily, you saw a flash of what an improved RU offense might look like next season. Thiam from 3, but ALSO from the low post - and RU's PF and C (Sa and Omoruyi cutting to the basket from the foul line, off the double team of Thiam). I could see an offense where Thiam alternates between running baseline to the corners, but also sets up in the low post - and Omoruyi operates in the high post (maybe diagonal to Thiam) - where he has been effective driving to the basket for made shots ... but if he adds a 12-14 foot shot, that makes him much better from the high post. Doucore and/or Carter and/or Johnson alternates between the low post (when Thiam runs baseline from corner to corner), and at the foul line ... and if their man doubles Thiam, cuts down the lane to receive the pass from Thiam (you saw that twice against Maryland in the 2nd half). And sometimes Omoruyi cuts down the lane also.

I will admit, that is not an offense that Sanders runs very effectively - though Baker is fine. So you mix in a slightly different variation if Sanders comes back - because RU WILL be better next season if Sanders is back, than if he is not back.

Notice, by the way, that when Freeman is double-teamed, he almost NEVER passes to a cutting player from that double-team .. and also RU players rarely flash to the lane when Freeman posts. In my opinion, as I NOW think about it, it may be because RU players never have any idea what Freeman is going to do with the ball when he is in the post. I notice this when I play basketball (albeit pick up ball): When I try to set a screen for a teammate, and roll or slide from that screen, but the teammate with the ball keeps dribbling left and right rather than using my screen, I often just get in his way ... I wonder if some of that is going on with Freeman and his teammates.

Some of this sounds like basic basketball that should have been drilled on during the first practice. Hitting cutters out of double teams is Basketball 101 for competent offensive teams.

 

[RU-ROCS]

I'm off work today....LOL...so I have plenty of time.....stats are what they are....used as a guide, not a final item as you believe them to be....

Yup. It’s like the Mark Twain saying goes . . . “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

[SkilletHead2]

There are statistical "rules" for removal of outliers from a data set and my guess is the data set of games, so far, is such that none of these results in any one game would be considered an outlier. And certainly removal of 3 data points that happen to be only on one side of the mean would never be allowed...without a really good physical explanation, such as he had a broken finger for those 3 games that got better for the rest or he was poked in the eye and it only affected those 3 games.

Well said. You need to show that there is an anomaly and that there is an explanation for the anomaly independent of the data.

But the notion that he had three miserable shooting games and shot really well in the rest is not an unreasonable argument to make on its own.

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . .

He's shooting 42-113 from 3 point range BUT, if you take out his 3 worse games

0-5 CCSU
0-7 Nebraska
1-7 Bryant . . .

Why stop at just the 3 worst? Take out his 6 worst. Or 10. We can bump his percentage way up. And why limit this effort to just games? We can do better. We can remove bad stretches within games when he just wasn’t himself.

In fact, with enough gumption, and I think we have it, we can probably (and properly, mind you) provide reasoned support for taking out every shot he took this year except one, all the shots except the very best one. We’d leave in the most swishiest one, the one with the quickest release that lightly caressed the net as it bullseyed its way through. And with that, RU will suddenly have for itself a 100% 3-point shooter. That’s a unique and formidable weapon. A 100% 3-point shooter. It will be indefensible.

Once we have created this monster, this shooting machine, we will unleash him on the B1G. How? Easy. He will take all the shots. All of them. Every one. Swish. Swish. Swish. Every game will be swishitty, swishitty, swish, swish. One after another after another. With Pikiell’s D, RU will be near unbeatable. He’ll become a verb. RU Thiamed Michigan State last night. It’s impossible to think of a reason not to do this.

Frankly, we’re being selfish and maybe socially irresponsible by applying this to only college basketball. The applications are limitless and can have a much greater impact than simply making RU basketball undefeated again. With a snip here, a red line there, and the removal of a few clinical test sites over there, we will have cured Alzheimer’s. Imagine what we could do with elections. Improve the weather. Stabilize the economy. Make Dane Cook funny.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Guys

Want to look at stats for a true consistency range

Take top 5 and bottom 5 numbers away and see what you have

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Why stop at just the 3 worst? Take out his 6 worst. Or 10. We can bump his percentage way up. And why limit this effort to just games? We can do better. We can remove bad stretches within games when he just wasn’t himself.

In fact, with enough gumption, and I think we have it, we can probably (and properly, mind you) provide reasoned support for taking out every shot he took this year except one, all the shots except the very best one. We’d leave in the most swishiest one, the one with the quickest release that lightly caressed the net as it bullseyed its way through. And with that, RU will suddenly have for itself a 100% 3-point shooter. That’s a unique and formidable weapon. A 100% 3-point shooter. It will be indefensible.

Once we have created this monster, this shooting machine, we will unleash him on the B1G. How? Easy. He will take all the shots. All of them. Every one. Swish. Swish. Swish. Every game will be swishitty, swishitty, swish, swish. One after another after another. With Pikiell’s D, RU will be near unbeatable. He’ll become a verb. RU Thiamed Michigan State last night. It’s impossible to think of a reason not to do this.

Frankly, we’re being selfish and maybe socially irresponsible by applying this to only college basketball. The applications are limitless and can have a much greater impact than simply making RU basketball undefeated again. With a snip here, a red line there, and the removal of a few clinical test sites over there, we will have cured Alzheimer’s. Imagine what we could do with elections. Improve the weather. Stabilize the economy. Make Dane Cook funny.

I actually looked at the stats and these 3 games stood out...

There are actually things that matter in other sports and websites that give you more reasonable data that matters...like baseball "splits"....Or what does a player hit in "clutch situations"...Or batting average home vs away....or in hoops, what are your actual percentages against what would be "better competition.

We have a 6 month off season to digest game tapes but I can bring more "splits"....That means what players play or what do they shoot home vs away in conference...etc....these things are used to scout by every staff in America and are reliable enough beyond saying a player is 37% from 3.....when not every 3 taken is the same.

 

[TODDB33]

Why stop at just the 3 worst? Take out his 6 worst. Or 10. We can bump his percentage way up. And why limit this effort to just games? We can do better. We can remove bad stretches within games when he just wasn’t himself.

In fact, with enough gumption, and I think we have it, we can probably (and properly, mind you) provide reasoned support for taking out every shot he took this year except one, all the shots except the very best one. We’d leave in the most swishiest one, the one with the quickest release that lightly caressed the net as it bullseyed its way through. And with that, RU will suddenly have for itself a 100% 3-point shooter. That’s a unique and formidable weapon. A 100% 3-point shooter. It will be indefensible.

Once we have created this monster, this shooting machine, we will unleash him on the B1G. How? Easy. He will take all the shots. All of them. Every one. Swish. Swish. Swish. Every game will be swishitty, swishitty, swish, swish. One after another after another. With Pikiell’s D, RU will be near unbeatable. He’ll become a verb. RU Thiamed Michigan State last night. It’s impossible to think of a reason not to do this.

Frankly, we’re being selfish and maybe socially irresponsible by applying this to only college basketball. The applications are limitless and can have a much greater impact than simply making RU basketball undefeated again. With a snip here, a red line there, and the removal of a few clinical test sites over there, we will have cured Alzheimer’s. Imagine what we could do with elections. Improve the weather. Stabilize the economy. Make Dane Cook funny.

I guess your trying to say in just a few words you don’t like the idea of subtracting the 3 0 for games. Lol

 

[satnom]

This is a good post. Here is what I see

1.) our power forward next year is Eugene o and I can see 10 ppg out of him in 26 mpg

2.) doucoure is not a center. He is a four man. I expect him to be good for 4 ppg in the other 14 minutes

3.) carter is gojng to be the center. Low post guys I think he is good for 8-9 ppg in 25 minutes

4.) doorson and Johnson compete for the other 15 minutes. Hoping they can get 4 ppg in their combined 15 minutes

That’s 26-27 ppg up front

5.) I’m may be in the minority...but I don’t see thiam making us a winner at the power forward spot. Just can’t score enough points. If I could...I would red shirt him and try to make him as a high post four. But I just don’t ever see enough offense from him. If a small forward plays 27 minutes a game...he must score 10-12 ppg. I just don’t see that ...we need someone there (and I think it will be Mathis) who can score those type points in those type minutes as a true frosh....and relegate thiam to compete for the back up spot with kiss and Harper

6.) baker and sanders are both good for similar numbers

If we can get enough points from the three spot ...we can finally be a team that could come close to scoring 70 ppg

Tell me we score 70ppg...i say winning season.

Agree with all except #5. Once Thiam discovers dribble drive and gets a hand full of pts from the post this and adds a few more lbs of muscle along with more confidence this kid is going to be a complete player. I think Thiam will average between 11-14 pts next season and will be our best perimeter defender and play the most minutes. No way a true frosh relegates him to the bench.

GO RU