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Hopefully, losing 49-10 keeps PSU fans away

Let's also take a closer look at this data by providing some context. It's one thing to look at PSU's raw roster data from 2012-2016 in a vacuum, but here it is in relation to that of Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State:

Class rankings in B1G

Ohio State: 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st
Michigan: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 2nd
Michigan State: 5th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd
Penn State: 8th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th

And total scholarships over those five years...
Ohio State: 137
Michigan: 137
Michigan State: 106
Penn State: 110

That puts PSU an entire class behind OSU and UM.

Now let's take a look at just the 2012-2014 classes, kids who would be in their third to fifth year in the program, thus seemingly making up the backbone of the roster:

Ohio State: 86
Michigan: 95
Michigan State: 65
Penn State: 65

That's another sizable advantage for OSU and UM, and then consider we've already established that PSU's 2012 class was not very good and the 2013 class was very small and has few contributors left in the program.

Do things outside of the sanctions at PSU have to improve for the program to get back to the upper echelon of the conference? Yes. But the sanctions absolutely impacted the roster. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.

So, accepting your position (that recruiting from 2012 and 2013 explains the difference), I'm sure that Penn State and Michigan State are two evenly matched programs during this coaching staff's tenure.

Again, there were no sanctions when the class of 2012 hit NSD. They had no effect on who was signed that year because they did not yet exist.
 
Penn State has a very mediocre football program. Have for 20 years, only overrated by namesake every year like Notre Dame (and like us from 2008-2014).

Which is a shame because the Big Ten is really strong this year it appears. Only to be dragged down by the likes of the "traditional power" and "blue blood" that is Penn State football. I hope your garbage program hightails it to the ACC like your fans apparently desperately want (knowing you can't compete). Really saddened we didn't score 50 on Saturday. You are now a team that a 39pt win over is disappointing.. You're a basement dwelling, extra bye week, tune up game cupcake of a program. Purdue of the East in a division that includes Indiana, Rutgers and Maryland. F*ck Penn State.
I would argue Penn st is light years from being a blue blood.


Seriously? I've never said the sanctions were the ONLY reason Penn State has been mediocre over the past five seasons. But to minimize the impact is absurd.

The sanctions immediately cost Penn State its starting running back (Silas Reed) and a 4-star DT recruit from the 2012 class (Jamil Pollard).

In 2013, the sanctions led Dorian Johnson to Pitt. Think the PSU offensive line could use him? How many other kids who would have otherwise signed with PSU? It's impossible to quantify that, but common sense says there's at least a handful. Further, only six members from that 2013 have made a significant contribution to this point. The 2014 class makes up the bulk of the roster right now, and a number of players in that and subsequent classes were forced into early action when they would have been better served with a redshirt year.

Shifting to your comments on Franklin's OL recruiting. Obviously, it's been well-documented that he walked into a situation in which he couldn't even complete a two-deep. Being hired in January, the new staff was up against Signing Day and no doubt reached on three kids in Sorrell, Wright, and Beh that don't appear poised to contribute on the field maybe at all. In 2015, things got better with Bates, who looks like he'll be a four-year starter on the interior, and Jenkins, who has the body of an NFL left tackle if he can put it all together. And then you have the 2016 class of Menet, who the staff is trying to redshirt and profiles as a four-year starter; McGovern, who is starting now at RG; and Fries and Gellerstedt, who the staff likes (especially Fries).

I guess that's a long way of saying I think you're off base if you were criticizing the OL recruiting overall. It was a deep hole to climb out of, and they're getting closer, but the most talented kids are also the youngest. It remains a work in progress. In fact, that can describe a lot of what's happening at Penn State right now: work in progress. A lot of things need to improve, including the coaching, but the sanctions were real, the inability to field a proper two-deep was real, the virtual lack of senior leadership is real, the second youngest roster in the country is real.

tl;dr In 2012 and 2013, the sanctions had a large impact on recruiting and a much smaller one on the field. Since then, the recruiting has been much less affected (and Franklin et al. are the best recruiters Penn State has had in a long time, which also helps) but the on-field product still suffers (OL, lack of depth in key spots like LB, the youth, especially compared with a team like Michigan, which has a number of senior and even fifth-year seniors as starters). That part will continue to improve, and if it doesn't make major strides by the end of NEXT season, Franklin's seat is going to get very hot, very quickly.
Sorry. You have been mediocre for a lot longer than 5 years. Get your head out of the clouds.
 
So, accepting your position (that recruiting from 2012 and 2013 explains the difference), I'm sure that Penn State and Michigan State are two evenly matched programs during this coaching staff's tenure.

Again, there were no sanctions when the class of 2012 hit NSD. They had no effect on who was signed that year because they did not yet exist.

Allow me to reply to this and the comments about PSU's recruiting in relation to that of the current Big Three in the East division:

I believe you'll see Penn State pull ahead of Michigan State over the next few years, yes. PSU has and should continue to recruit better the Spartans with Franklin here. If the alumni and fans can find some patience, which fortunately I think the AD has, and let this thing play out over the next couple of years, I think they'll be rewarded. We can agree to disagree if you'd like, but as someone who follows the program as closely as anyone I believe the sanctions have a major impact on roster construction over the past few years, not to mention countless other things surrounding the program. Things are starting to improve. Fans in any sport don't like to hear words like "process" or "rebuild," but in this case they are 100% applicable and that's the situation, like it or not.

As far as out-recruiting Ohio State and Michigan, I don't believe that will happen for PSU, at least consistently, as long as Meyer and Harbaugh are around. That said, there's no reason PSU can't have classes that rank top-3 in the B1G and top-10 or top-15 nationally year-in and year-out. And that puts you in position to compete for titles.

Finally, as it relates to 2012, yes, that class was signed before the sanctions hit. However, when looking at that class in relation to the roster, which is what I thought we were doing here, the sanctions did allow those kids to leave. It was also ages ago in terms of Penn State coaching staffs, so I'm not sure we can rely on that to show a downward trend as it relates to the program today.
 
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I would argue Penn st is light years from being a blue blood.

And you would lose that argument. One of 10 programs with more than 800 wins, tied for 4th all-time with 28 bowl wins, .630 win percentage in bowl games is 2nd all-time among teams with at least 40 appearances, multiple national titles and a handful of other undefeated seasons, a Heisman Trophy winner, countless other award winners and 41 consensus All-Americans, 23 College Football Hall of Fame inductees, six Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees (one of 11 schools with at least five), seventh on list of NFL draft picks by college, etc., etc.

Sorry. You have been mediocre for a lot longer than 5 years. Get your head out of the clouds.

Penn State had the 17th best record in the country from 2005-2015, better than programs like Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, and Miami to name a few. And yes, while dealing with major sanctions for the last 4-5 years of that time frame.

It's not the 1980s anymore, but I can think of lots of programs who'd love to be as "mediocre" as Penn State has been over the last decade.
 
I just want to note: No one should take my comments here as me being some sort of fanboi who has blind faith in James Franklin. I'm not sold on him at this point (how could anyone be?). I just think it's nuts how some people don't seem to factor in the situation when critiquing his performance at PSU thus far. It's so indicative of how people want everything now these days and how fans can't seem to get their expectations to mesh with reality. Not to mention, independent of whether you think he has a chance to be more Harbaugh than Hoke, it would be an awful idea for PSU to fire Franklin now. You're talking about a $14 million buyout at this point, and it would send the idea that you're expected to win NOW, regardless of roster limitations. What high-level head coach is going to put himself in that situation? Franklin has next season, at least, and most likely two more to really get this thing going. I don't know that he will, but he's going to get that opportunity, and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when the roster construction is more in line with our peers.
 
And you would lose that argument. One of 10 programs with more than 800 wins, tied for 4th all-time with 28 bowl wins, .630 win percentage in bowl games is 2nd all-time among teams with at least 40 appearances, multiple national titles and a handful of other undefeated seasons, a Heisman Trophy winner, countless other award winners and 41 consensus All-Americans, 23 College Football Hall of Fame inductees, six Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees (one of 11 schools with at least five), seventh on list of NFL draft picks by college, etc., etc.



Penn State had the 17th best record in the country from 2005-2015, better than programs like Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, and Miami to name a few. And yes, while dealing with major sanctions for the last 4-5 years of that time frame.

It's not the 1980s anymore, but I can think of lots of programs who'd love to be as "mediocre" as Penn State has been over the last decade.
17th. Is hardly a blue blood bro........carry on
 
Allow me to reply to this and the comments about PSU's recruiting in relation to that of the current Big Three in the East division:

I believe you'll see Penn State pull ahead of Michigan State over the next few years, yes. PSU has and should continue to recruit better the Spartans with Franklin here. If the alumni and fans can find some patience, which fortunately I think the AD has, and let this thing play out over the next couple of years, I think they'll be rewarded. We can agree to disagree if you'd like, but as someone who follows the program as closely as anyone I believe the sanctions have a major impact on roster construction over the past few years, not to mention countless other things surrounding the program. Things are starting to improve. Fans in any sport don't like to hear words like "process" or "rebuild," but in this case they are 100% applicable and that's the situation, like it or not.

As far as out-recruiting Ohio State and Michigan, I don't believe that will happen for PSU, at least consistently, as long as Meyer and Harbaugh are around. That said, there's no reason PSU can't have classes that rank top-3 in the B1G and top-10 or top-15 nationally year-in and year-out. And that puts you in position to compete for titles.

Finally, as it relates to 2012, yes, that class was signed before the sanctions hit. However, when looking at that class in relation to the roster, which is what I thought we were doing here, the sanctions did allow those kids to leave. It was also ages ago in terms of Penn State coaching staffs, so I'm not sure we can rely on that to show a downward trend as it relates to the program today.
Recruiting rankings matter when you consistently finish 1 through 10. After that, there really is no difference between 11 to 30. Throw in the fact you have a moron for a head coach. Tells me your going to nothing more than a mid teir big 10 team for a long time.

I know you cult members hate reality. Its understandable. Because the truth is Penn st football no longer matters.

Its simply a mediocre program. Its been that way for a long time. And its going to be in the future.
 
And you would lose that argument. One of 10 programs with more than 800 wins, tied for 4th all-time with 28 bowl wins, .630 win percentage in bowl games is 2nd all-time among teams with at least 40 appearances, multiple national titles and a handful of other undefeated seasons, a Heisman Trophy winner, countless other award winners and 41 consensus All-Americans, 23 College Football Hall of Fame inductees, six Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees (one of 11 schools with at least five), seventh on list of NFL draft picks by college, etc., etc.



Penn State had the 17th best record in the country from 2005-2015, better than programs like Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, and Miami to name a few. And yes, while dealing with major sanctions for the last 4-5 years of that time frame.

It's not the 1980s anymore, but I can think of lots of programs who'd love to be as "mediocre" as Penn State has been over the last decade.

Using 2005-2015 makes things seem rosier than they really have been. If one uses the modern or BCS/Playoff era, the ranking of the record will look a lot worse:

1998: 9-3
1999: 10-3
2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6
2002: 9-4
2003: 3-9
2004: 4-7

Total 1998 - 2004: 45-39.

Your arbitrary cutoff of the last 11 seasons is optimistic, at best (the best years are the early ones in that analysis).
 
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17th. Is hardly a blue blood bro........carry on

That's where PSU ranks for the period of 2005-2015. I realize for a lot of RU fans that's when college football started, but blue-blood status goes way back. Clearly there's no point continuing that conversation with you if you're that dense.
 
Using 2005-2015 makes things seem rosier than they really have been. If one uses the modern or BCS/Playoff era, the ranking of the record will look a lot worse:

1998: 9-3
1999: 10-3
2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6
2002: 9-4
2003: 3-9
2004: 4-7

Total 1998 - 2004: 45-39.

Your arbitrary cutoff of the last 11 seasons is optimistic, at best (the best years are the early ones in that analysis).

I didn't choose 10 years/11 seasons arbitrarily. That was the time frame brought up earlier in this thread, though I do think a decade can be a reasonable period to look at when measuring where programs stand. You are correct, though, that if you include the stretch in the early 2000s Penn State looks much worse in comparison with the nation. PSU would be 31st from 2000-2015. If you want to go back to 1995, it ranks 23rd; 1990, it ranks 14th. Numbers are funny that way. Shoot, looking at 2000-2015, Alabama ranks 14th, but good luck finding someone to call the Tide "mediocre" over that stretch. FWIW, Michigan finds itself 24th over that period, again, not much different from PSU.

Regardless, PSU has suffered two of the worst (quite possibly THE worst) five-year periods in its history since the start of this century. The first (2000-2004) was largely because of Paterno's advanced age, but he managed to come through with a national title contender in 2005 and a very strong team in 2008. This current stretch (2012-) is the product of a number of things - sanctions, the far-reaching impact of the scandal and how it continues to hang over the program, the divisiveness between fans and alumni, coaching upheaval, a young roster, a lack of depth, etc.

Fortunately, PSU is one of a handful of schools in the country that have many built-in advantages when it comes to recruiting and athletics in general. Eventually, whether under Franklin or not, PSU will return to competing for titles.
 
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That's where PSU ranks for the period of 2005-2015. I realize for a lot of RU fans that's when college football started, but blue-blood status goes way back. Clearly there's no point continuing that conversation with you if you're that dense.
Maybe you need a history lesson to get than holier than thou attitude out of your butt :chairshot:
check this link before the next time you post your butt droppings about RU FB:
http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/first-game.html
 
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Fortunately, PSU is one of a handful of schools in the country that have many built-in advantages when it comes to recruiting and athletics in general. Eventually, whether under Franklin or not, PSU will return to competing for

Have you noticed that you haven't been able to get many highly rated Pa players this year? Franklin was smart enough to go to Virginia for 3 of his 4 stars but everyone is getting top recruits out of Virginia. I hear 2 of your recruits may decommit soon. Recruiting is starting to drop and the 3 year honeymoon is over for new coaches.

I'm just glad most of the Penn State fans are coming out of their coma and seeing Reality and Franklin might not be the answer. I didn't like that they blindly thought they were going to move to the Top of the Big Ten.
 
Fortunately, PSU is one of a handful of schools in the country that have many built-in advantages when it comes to recruiting and athletics in general. Eventually, whether under Franklin or not, PSU will return to competing for

Have you noticed that you haven't been able to get many highly rated Pa players this year? Franklin was smart enough to go to Virginia for 3 of his 4 stars but everyone is getting top recruits out of Virginia. I hear 2 of your recruits may decommit soon. Recruiting is starting to drop and the 3 year honeymoon is over for new coaches.

I'm just glad most of the Penn State fans are coming out of their coma and seeing Reality and Franklin might not be the answer. I didn't like that they blindly thought they were going to move to the Top of the Big Ten.

Welllll, not everyone.
 
I said "for a lot of RU fans," the Johnny-come-lately portion of your fan base. I'm well aware of the first college football game.
Then try not to act so arrogant and maybe you'll be more respected here.
As for PSU being a blueblood, even I can't say the Nits aren't one.
Also will say Rutgers has a ways to go to become one after years of being more of a D-1AA program then after deciding to compete with the big boys the RU Administration didn't fund the FB like one.
But that is just an excuse , so it's up to the RU current leadership to make sure RU will
take strides towards blueblood status.
As of now RU is rated 80 in ESPN's BB ratings while Penn St sits at 10 and the Wolverines take the 6th spot.
ESPN doesn't put PSU in the BB category , that ends at 8 but I think it should end at 10 or maybe 15 , so that's why I feel Penn St deserves to be called a BlueBlood .
Any reason to keep them from being considered a blueblood outside of football
I'm not considering.

Alabama Crimson Tide, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Ohio State Buckeyes, Oklahoma Sooners, USC Trojans lead the list of college football blue bloods (from 8/2016):
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rojans-lead-list-college-football-blue-bloods
 
Allow me to reply to this and the comments about PSU's recruiting in relation to that of the current Big Three in the East division:

I believe you'll see Penn State pull ahead of Michigan State over the next few years, yes. PSU has and should continue to recruit better the Spartans with Franklin here. If the alumni and fans can find some patience, which fortunately I think the AD has, and let this thing play out over the next couple of years, I think they'll be rewarded. We can agree to disagree if you'd like, but as someone who follows the program as closely as anyone I believe the sanctions have a major impact on roster construction over the past few years, not to mention countless other things surrounding the program. Things are starting to improve. Fans in any sport don't like to hear words like "process" or "rebuild," but in this case they are 100% applicable and that's the situation, like it or not.

As far as out-recruiting Ohio State and Michigan, I don't believe that will happen for PSU, at least consistently, as long as Meyer and Harbaugh are around. That said, there's no reason PSU can't have classes that rank top-3 in the B1G and top-10 or top-15 nationally year-in and year-out. And that puts you in position to compete for titles.

Finally, as it relates to 2012, yes, that class was signed before the sanctions hit. However, when looking at that class in relation to the roster, which is what I thought we were doing here, the sanctions did allow those kids to leave. It was also ages ago in terms of Penn State coaching staffs, so I'm not sure we can rely on that to show a downward trend as it relates to the program today.

As long as Dantonio is at MSU penn state will never pass the Spartans. Franklin is a terrible sidelines HC and the NJ recruiting pipeline is running dry for psu. See sarahcuse
 
Recruiting rankings matter when you consistently finish 1 through 10. After that, there really is no difference between 11 to 30. Throw in the fact you have a moron for a head coach. Tells me your going to nothing more than a mid teir big 10 team for a long time.

I know you cult members hate reality. Its understandable. Because the truth is Penn st football no longer matters.

Its simply a mediocre program. Its been that way for a long time. And its going to be in the future.

This is one of the dumber things I've read on message boards.
 
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You Penn st fans can keep going from message board to message board. Posting how you still matter.

The fact is nobody cares about Penn st football. The only thing that pops up in people's minds when Penn st is brought up is sickness. Your name is forever going to be associated with pond scum. Regardless, how many of your fans go message board to message board to try and spin that your school still matters...........it dont!

The funny thing is when Penn st did have success in the early 90's. Guess who was in charge of your defense? You know the strenth of those teams......lol
And you would lose that argument. One of 10 programs with more than 800 wins, tied for 4th all-time with 28 bowl wins, .630 win percentage in bowl games is 2nd all-time among teams with at least 40 appearances, multiple national titles and a handful of other undefeated seasons, a Heisman Trophy winner, countless other award winners and 41 consensus All-Americans, 23 College Football Hall of Fame inductees, six Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees (one of 11 schools with at least five), seventh on list of NFL draft picks by college, etc., etc.



Penn State had the 17th best record in the country from 2005-2015, better than programs like Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, and Miami to name a few. And yes, while dealing with major sanctions for the last 4-5 years of that time frame.

It's not the 1980s anymore, but I can think of lots of programs who'd love to be as "mediocre" as Penn State has been over the last decade.
Why go back only to 2005?

Why not 2000? I know! Because you sucked again for 5 years. So lets make up stats to try and make your program look better.
 
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26th

Seems a little high but I guess they have to award something for being relevant in the 1940s.
I see........its ok for Penn st fans to dwell on the past. Yet, other schools cannot.

Typical mindset from those in creepy valley
 
I see........its ok for Penn st fans to dwell on the past. Yet, other schools cannot.

Typical mindset from those in creepy valley

I know you're jaded but it isn't that difficult to see that Penn State has been more relevant than PITT over the past 40 years. I'm not saying Penn State has been world beaters since the start of the 1990s but they have at least been somewhat relevant. The reality is that Penn State ended PITT football in 1981.

As of today, PITT is the better team. We will see what happens over the next three years.
 
So I guess you are saying that psu cares about Rutgers football since you guys continually have threads at BWI discussing RU.

Have never posted on BWI, likely never will. I check in there once every few months or so just to see who else has gone off the deep end. If RU had a Scout or 247 forum worth reading, I wouldn't be on Rivals much at all.
 
So I guess you are saying that psu cares about Rutgers football since you guys continually have threads at BWI discussing RU.
They have more thread about Rutgers than Michigan, Maryland, Michigan State and Ohio State combined but they don't consider us rivals.

Watch out for the name calling after we win our first game against them.
 
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Have never posted on BWI, likely never will. I check in there once every few months or so just to see who else has gone off the deep end. If RU had a Scout or 247 forum worth reading, I wouldn't be on Rivals much at all.
Ever think of stalking another school on those boards [roll]
 
Since Penn State joined the Big Ten, they have won the same number of Big Ten football championships as Northwestern*.

(During the same period, of course. Overall, Northwestern has more Big Ten titles)
 
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Since Penn State joined the Big Ten, they have won the same number of Big Ten football championships as Northwestern*.

(During the same period, of course. Overall, Northwestern has more Big Ten titles)

Yup. And the same amount as Michigan State and a whopping two fewer than Michigan. It's been Ohio State's world and we've all just been living it.

FYI, also since Penn State joined the Big Ten (through 2015), it has a winning percentage of .67368, good for 18th in the nation, and Northwestern's is .50358, or 62nd. Stick to the Michigan comparisons for now. And again, that time period includes the two worst five-year periods in the history of PSU football. Appreciate the concern, but we'll be OK.
 
Yup. And the same amount as Michigan State and a whopping two fewer than Michigan. It's been Ohio State's world and we've all just been living it.

FYI, also since Penn State joined the Big Ten (through 2015), it has a winning percentage of .67368, good for 18th in the nation, and Northwestern's is .50358, or 62nd. Stick to the Michigan comparisons for now. And again, that time period includes the two worst five-year periods in the history of PSU football. Appreciate the concern, but we'll be OK.
Please don't compare yourself to scUM. You are 7-13 against them, and they have won half a NC in the time you have been a member of the conference, and you also forgot that Wisconsin also has more titles than you. I would say you are more on par with Iowa, who have 2 Big Ten Titles - I think you have a one game lead aginst them all time, but not sure since you joined the Big 10. Maybe Michigan State, but they sucked for the first 20 years you were in the conference, 1999 excepted.
 
They have more thread about Rutgers than Michigan, Maryland, Michigan State and Ohio State combined but they don't consider us rivals.

Watch out for the name calling after we win our first game against them.

That could very well happen this year !
 
Tell you what, you land the #30 class every year and I will land #11 and let's see how it pans out.

Your post was idiotic.
Ok Einstein. Who do you think votes on what class is 11th to 30th? I'll tell you.

90 percent of the people who work for rivals that never played the game.

As for you taking the 11th class to my 30th.

Be my guess.

We will let your coach have the 11th ranked class. And i will take Michigan st's coach with the 30th class. Guess who would be the favorite?

Or give me Wisconsin 's class. Or Iowa's
 
Please don't compare yourself to scUM. You are 7-13 against them, and they have won half a NC in the time you have been a member of the conference, and you also forgot that Wisconsin also has more titles than you. I would say you are more on par with Iowa, who have 2 Big Ten Titles - I think you have a one game lead aginst them all time, but not sure since you joined the Big 10. Maybe Michigan State, but they sucked for the first 20 years you were in the conference, 1999 excepted.

This discussion started in regards to how long PSU has been "mediocre," and that Michigan has been miles ahead as a program. Both assertions are incorrect.

1993-2015
- since Penn State joined; I'm not including Nebraska
1. Ohio State .80319 (1st nationally)
2. Wisconsin .70169 (12th)
3. Michigan .67596 (17th)
4. Penn State .67368 (18th)
5. Iowa .58275 (32nd)
6. Michigan State .58217 (33rd)
7. Northwestern .50358 (62nd)

Michigan's head-to-head record vs. Penn State has little to do with the general points I've been making throughout this thread: that 90% of programs would love to be as "mediocre" as Penn State, and that Michigan and Penn State have been a hell of a lot more comparable over the last five, 10, 20 years than Michigan fans would like to admit. Rich Rod and Hoke, an aging Paterno and sanctions; both programs have weathered major storms in recent years. What you're seeing now is an uber-talented, uber-experienced Michigan team putting it all together under one of the best head coaches in the sport. Penn State is obviously behind in its development.

Ultimately, it's been Ohio State's world, with Wisconsin and to a lesser extent Michigan and Penn State challenging since PSU joined the conference. And in the long run, I think that will continue to be the case. PSU has too many things going for it not to return to that upper tier; just take a look at Alabama pre-Saban or USC pre-Carroll. What is to be determined at PSU is whether our resurgence will be more of a post-Franklin or post-sanctions thing. Or quite possibly, both. It's too early to say.
 
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