Huddling the team - Ash vs Schiano
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Whether Ash huddled or didn’t huddle was ancillary. The biggest issue was Ash did not hire the right coaches due to lack of budget, and did not recruit the same recruiting areas that had been successfully recruited by Flood and Schiano.
it resembled the Terry Shea era, because the made he same foolish mistakes. And to think Hobbs could have hired Mario Cristobal instead, is probably one of the biggest hiring blunders.
He foolishly recruited the Midwest, especially Ohio, rather than Florida, which had always provided Rutgers with speedy players like Janarion Grant and Tim Brown. Bordner and the tight end who transferred to Nebraska were some of the few fruits of his recruiting efforts.
In a way Ashes failure was good for the program, because the purse strings were loosened, and the assistant coaching budget is adequate for solid assistants.
it resembled the Terry Shea era, because the made he same foolish mistakes. And to think Hobbs could have hired Mario Cristobal instead, is probably one of the biggest hiring blunders.
He foolishly recruited the Midwest, especially Ohio, rather than Florida, which had always provided Rutgers with speedy players like Janarion Grant and Tim Brown. Bordner and the tight end who transferred to Nebraska were some of the few fruits of his recruiting efforts.
In a way Ashes failure was good for the program, because the purse strings were loosened, and the assistant coaching budget is adequate for solid assistants.
Think his not hiring the right coaches was equally or more due to lack of connections and vision. He admittedly had nothing to do with the offense, hired the first guy, who was not even close to ready for the job in terms of experience and maturity, on Tom Herman's recommendation, and then he hired a new OC each year until he was fired. When his first DC did not work out, he hired a guy who had no business being a DC again, but it was his lack of connections that left him with this choice.
It speaks volumes that his first DC currently holds the title of Assistant Defensive Line/Defensive Recruiting Coordinator at Iowa and the second DC is a linebackers coach at Illinois.
His first OC is a passing game coordinator at New Mexico State and his last OC is (for now) a tight ends coach at Notre Dame. Still don't know how he lucked into Jerry Kill, his only competent coordinator hire. Many of Ash's position coaches are no longer working or working at much lower level jobs.
I have no scorn for any prior coaches. I don’t think Ash was incompetent, although he was clearly in over his head as a head coach. I also don’t care if he was arrogant or how he felt about Rutgers or NJ., his job was to win, not to be a fan of a school or state.
I don’t form attachments to coaches and don’t get emotional about the job they do. We hire them to do a job. If they can’t do it, we hire someone else. It’s business. I’ll never know any of them enough to form any sort of emotional attachment, positive or negative.
I do have scorn for Ash...The guy came in and shit on Rutgers, shit on the players and shit on NJ...The hell with the record but for the reasons stated- there is no reason to like or respect the man
Yes!! I tried to warn this board !
Link some direct quotes of Ash shitting on Rutgers or NJ. Every example I've heard or seen so far haven't bothered me at all.
I virtually never take offense when people outright insult me or my family; sticks and stones and all. So it's hard to imagine I'd take offense at anything anybody would say about a school or a state.
If he was verbally abusing kids with cancer, then I'd have a problem. But if even if he was saying RU sucks, or RUFB sucks, or NJ sucks, I couldn't care less. We hired a football coach and if he went 12-0, then who cares what he says. He couldn't get the job done and that's the only criteria that matters to me (outside of something extreme, like cheating the way Flood apparently did).
I’m not searching quotes…we all heard what he had to say from day 1. At least he provided hydration, snacks and the hunt. He also was transparent with a number of Flood recruits that deserved better.
mom not going back to defend my stance- 90% of this site agree.
And yes, if he came in, shit on is and how and who we are and proved he was right, I would give him props- big time. But he actually showed just the opposite
I'm not asking anybody to defend their stance. Why would I? People can feel however they want; is not my problem.
OTOH, people ITT seem to be telling me how I should feel about it. And I am unpersuaded. The "fact" that a majority (of any size) hold a different view than me will never sway my opinions on anything.
I saw no reason to hate on him before and still don't now. Just wish he was a much better head coach than he turned out to be.
You never sway on your opinions ever…then, why leave your home. That statement alone says you are not even a person to ever respond to.
I always allow myself to be convinced I may be wrong. And it actually feels great when it happens. Life is good and I don’t own it, I live it.
You sure seem awfully upset that I don’t hate Ash. I don’t hate, or love, any coaches. And I’m not about to be convinced I’m wrong about not hating people.
But hey, I do hate people who intentionally harm children. Does that count? 😉
was that the beginning of a practice.. the end of a practice? you don't know, do you? nor do I. 2 of the pics are of the same moment and both look like they could be a subset of the team.. like specials.NEVER? Or NEVER EVER?
Is this f-bomb Vinny again? Pretty thin. No, not defending Ash. Glad he is gone, and happier that Schiano is here.
Zapruder sent these. Maybe they are not huddles in the truest sense of a huddle?
DURING the practice was OP's point.
I'll tell you this much I know from my limited view of Schiano's practices and scrimmages... when he sees something the whole team should know.. a teaching moment.. he stops everything and teaches EVERYONE what that thing is.
I think that is very important because it is sooo easy to assume that.. well, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.. it is just THIS GUY who made that mistake.
For a specific example.. during an intrasquad scrimmage (not scarlet-white game) a player got dinged up and tried to hobble off the field. Schiano stopped everything.. told the player to go down. Then, rather loudly, told the whole stadium that the thing to do is go down and force the officials to call an injury timeout. I still remember that moment and I think every player did as well.
How many times did stuff like that happen in regular practices? I don't know.. but I suspect a lot just based on the premise of the OP.
I suppose the right huddle at the right time can have some instructional value. I recall guys tackling wrong on JV and coach stopped practice and brought us in together where he told us horror stories about guys who got hurt tackling with their heads down. I never forgot that and it was good because other coaches never mentioned such things
But to huddle just to huddle and goose each other seems weak - like that hand-holding in huddles and coin tosses. Looks pretty silly to me.
One thing I've noticed about some really good teams is that A) they like each other and B) they get after each other for mistakes. I suppose utilizing B has a lot to do with A. Some of the "FAMILY" stuff seems artificial to me. I would prefer guys yelling at each other for right reasons than throwing stardust and friendship rings around. Sometimes Schiano teams have looked "too nice"" to me. They are tough and all that but I don't often see the killer instincts toward other teams (say like the way Meekins and Thompson would attack in short yardage). Some of the best D1 players are annoyingly competitive about any little thing. They hate losing and something like giving up yards they tale personal
But to huddle just to huddle and goose each other seems weak - like that hand-holding in huddles and coin tosses. Looks pretty silly to me.
One thing I've noticed about some really good teams is that A) they like each other and B) they get after each other for mistakes. I suppose utilizing B has a lot to do with A. Some of the "FAMILY" stuff seems artificial to me. I would prefer guys yelling at each other for right reasons than throwing stardust and friendship rings around. Sometimes Schiano teams have looked "too nice"" to me. They are tough and all that but I don't often see the killer instincts toward other teams (say like the way Meekins and Thompson would attack in short yardage). Some of the best D1 players are annoyingly competitive about any little thing. They hate losing and something like giving up yards they tale personal
Actually, I don’t really care about your opinion on it and you are right, you are allowed to have it.
OTOH- as you put it…I don’t think you requesting me to prove my opinion is fair either.
im not going to search out quotes at your request.
mans I also hate people that intentionally harm children as well…
I wasn’t asking you to prove anything. Obviously I’ve heard plenty of negative stuff about him.
I thought mybe he’d said or done something I hadn’t heard about yet, that would change my mind. And I pointed out that his, or anybody’s, saying unkind things about RU or NJ wouldn’t bother me.
Let me put this another way. Schiano says all the right things about the school and the team, and has a silver tongue which surely helps him in recruiting. And that’s nice and all, but ultimately doesn’t matter to me. All I care about is if he can coach. Same as I felt about Ash and Flood (or Pike). Their words are just words and talk is cheap.
I don’t love Schiano. I don’t hate Ash. I don’t even know them. Not really.
You did ask to prove and it wasn't for your education as you already stated you had your opinion that wasnt going to change...but cool story
I never met Ash but did have a pretty good convo with him shortly after being hired when he spoke about prior players and how he would love to get them involved again. Ironic- he ended up being exactly the opposite.
As for knowing them. Knew both Schiano and Flood pretty well. Many funny stories with Greg. Always liked him until I learned more about him after my son stopped playing. He did win me back with a convo after he came back when he apologized for some of the things that had happened. That showed me a lot about the man.
Flood- just a good solid guy and he really did bleed scarlet. What pissed me off most about him is that he didn't stay true to himself and the shit hit the fan because he wanted to keep his paycheck.
That’s not true as far as you only caring if a guy can coach ! You were one of the biggest flood defenders here !! You were defending him in 2015 and anyone with half a brain knew he should have been canned long before ! You should have known by then he couldn’t coach.
Wow mildone, just wow!
You either have massive reading comprehension issues or you're just trolling (very weakly). Either way, 😴.
Now you're telling me that you know the intent and meaning of my posts better than me? 🤣
You misread and misunderstood several of my posts in a row now. I'm sure you'll misunderstand this one too.
