He can get up in front of the press and media and answer questions in a thoughtful concise way, he didn't look like a deer in the headlights like our former AD. Nobody had to pull his foot out his mouth, he is obviously bright, engaging, and well connected. Currently athletics is big business, so I am not so sure an athletic background is as important as it once was.
I don't get the lovefest with Hobbs.
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I would say Bob and Tim had those attributes too..the thing they didn't and what Hobbs doesnt is knowing the ins and outs of running a major athletic program. Julie did know and that's why when she got here, the dept was aghast that they actually were accountable to do things. John O said that there were things that they had no idea that they were supposed to be doing (failure by Tim and Bob)
bac, perhaps not with your gusto, I did support julie until the very end. But objectively speaking, she was an unmitigated disaster in her media dealings and she was given two chances to find the money to fire Flood, once in '13 and this year. She failed both times. She had some successes and improved some things around here. I thought she had some potential but she really shot herself in the foot.
The battle for governor will come down to three men, Fullop, Murphy and Sweeney. For Rutgers sake I'm pulling for the first two. If Sweeney gets in it will get beyond ugly. The other problem, Sweeney is not a long shot. I'm not saying he's the favorite, but definitely even odds.
The same exact adoring adulations were spit out by this peanut gallery when Tim Pernetti and Julie Hermann had their first press conferences (in fact there were many posters on here extolling how Julie handled her first media conference right after the press conference). It's like a continuous loop. "Oh he speaks so purdy in front of the cameras and shakes everyones hand. Not to mention kissing all those babies! Squee... [faints]"
How is this any different? No one has answered that. This AD seems less qualified than JH. What's the appeal? A new face? He's a dude? He agreed to moonlight with our law schools in his off time? What? It's certainly not his past experience as an AD...
The same exact adoring adulations were spit out by this peanut gallery when Tim Pernetti and Julie Hermann had their first press conferences (in fact there were many posters on here extolling how Julie handled her first media conference right after the press conference). It's like a continuous loop. "Oh he speaks so purdy in front of the cameras and shakes everyones hand. Not to mention kissing all those babies! Squee... [faints]"
How is this any different? No one has answered that. This AD seems less qualified than JH. What's the appeal? A new face? He's a dude? He agreed to moonlight with our law schools in his off time? What? It's certainly not his past experience as an AD...
He didn't have experience as a law school dean when he first started, either. And yet he excelled. So much that they looked to him when they needed an interim AD, and they kept him in that position for 18 months. The sports business is not rocket science. It's amazingly simple. Some people are gifted at running an organization and you look for those people. Rutgers found one.
ridiculous comments trying to down grade hobbs before he even starts--he is a secure, confident pro who was not an underling but ran a respected law school and those in the know realize he can get RU alumni and image makers in his corner
Let's be honest, hiring coaches is a crap shoot for 99.999% of schools. First, candidates are identified by search firms. It's not as if our AD is watching video or reading rivals. Second, once they get names they delve into backgrounds and financial needs. Finally they sit down with a few guys and make a hire. USC has unlimited resources and they hired a drunk. PSU is paying 5 million for a guy who can't coach his way out of a paper bag. Michigan hired Hoke based on an ok record at SD State. The list is endless......outside of OSU and Urban when was the last time a school got their top choice?
Patrick Hobbs seems to be saying all the right things and this is a B1G improvement over Julie Hermann already. But, ultimately he will be judged by the Football Coach he hires this year, the Women's Basketball Coach that he will need to hire in the next few years and his ability to raise funds for Rutgers Athletics facilities over time. Rutgers fans need to give Patrick all the support that they can right now and then some until Rutgers gets a full B1G share.
When elections come i will be volunteering my time to whoever is running against Sweeney and we should probably start a gofundme to take out some ads so Sweeney doesnt get elected
It is the double standard, don't kid ourselves. Hobbs has no P5 D1 athletics experience but people here love him for no apparent reason. We had hermann, who hired two national winning coaches and increased our fundraising but everyone was gunning for her because she was a women in a man's position. It is the same reason people loved TP while he destroyed RU athletics.
This guy has zero credentials and is tied to NJ politics (I am sure this is a political appointee from above powers) and somehow people are fawning over him like he is the best AD in the history of the school. The biggest criticism against Herman was that she has zero experience running an D1 athletic program, and now we hired a guy who has less experience than her. He has less experience than hermann when it comes to D1 P5 athletics and somehow he is the best thing RU could have gotten. He also hired two failing coaches at the only job as AD he has had. I really really hope he is successful for the greatness of RU, but the double standards on this board is alarming.
This guy has zero credentials and is tied to NJ politics (I am sure this is a political appointee from above powers) and somehow people are fawning over him like he is the best AD in the history of the school. The biggest criticism against Herman was that she has zero experience running an D1 athletic program, and now we hired a guy who has less experience than her. He has less experience than hermann when it comes to D1 P5 athletics and somehow he is the best thing RU could have gotten. He also hired two failing coaches at the only job as AD he has had. I really really hope he is successful for the greatness of RU, but the double standards on this board is alarming.
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This is usually how it goes anytime someone new is brought in. Some people get a little too excited.
There's a lot of work to do in this AD from top to bottom - compliance, facilities, fundraising, ticket sales, coaching - pretty much everything.
Call me skeptical especially considering this guy has zero major AD experience at a school like Rutgers. Hoping for the best but definitely need to take a wait and see approach.
There's a lot of work to do in this AD from top to bottom - compliance, facilities, fundraising, ticket sales, coaching - pretty much everything.
Call me skeptical especially considering this guy has zero major AD experience at a school like Rutgers. Hoping for the best but definitely need to take a wait and see approach.
Let's see what he does. I am not sure who is making the final recommendation on a HC to Barchi. If it's not schiano, what are Browns qualifications to select a coach?
It's not a double standard. JH was originally thrust into a rough situation because many people were so fond of Pernetti, It was more about him than her. She complicated things because there was drama from day 1 and her frequent missteps early on. To be fair, she did some very solid things but don't kid yourself, the report painted her in a very bad light and that is why she was fired. It had nothing to do with Kyle Flood or his record. In fact, from what I've been told and read the report actually made Flood look quite good compared to the rumors we have read here. Let's be honest, in 2015 you aren't firing the first lesbian AD in NJ because Flood missed a bowl or a few kids got arrested.
Her firing is fine especially if there's anything egregious in the report.
It's the right at the beginning and her hiring that the consistency and double standard comes in. Lots of complaints about no football background, never had anything to do with that etc...even though she rose up in a very successful AD. What she was crucified for at the start is that not the same with Hobbs and no football experience and he's had a track record of hires and they weren't good. Take his name out and put JH's name in with that record and many would be up in arms. I don't even care about the lack of football experience that doesn't bother me at all, it's the misses on the 2 hires that makes me wary.
I'm skeptical but willing to give the guy a chance and a solid football hire would go a long way to making a good first impression and then in a few years the ultimate arbiter will be how that hire performs.
Is this the report from the investigation that Barchi said would have no further revelations, or some other report? People on this board keep talking about all sorts of problems that some report is supposed to reveal, but Barchi has been pretty consistent since the firing in saying there aren't any shoes waiting to drop.
No, the original Report. It will have no further revelations because she is gone.
I think that whole no football thing was more about people's love for Pernetti than hate of JH
If this man supports him publicly (he has):
You can bet he's a good hire.
That's both sides of the isle in a state notorious for political dipshittery.
I'm not real worried on this topic. But you got to admit certain places are better at hiring coaches than us. See Cinncinati.It's not automatic.
Have to say I'm a bit skeptical about Hobbs based on his resume. 18 months of athletic experience that yielded poor/mediocre results for SHU's only two marketable programs. Glad he's got connections in Trenton, which are important, and that he's had some success fundraising for other types of non-athletic things. He's probably got the least relevant experience of any of our last several ADs.
Will keep an open mind, though - the FB HC hire may define his tenure here.
Will keep an open mind, though - the FB HC hire may define his tenure here.
As finance becomes even more intertwined with P5 athletics, I believe hirings such as these will become the norm. As KingHigh said, the athletics part of the job is easy. Julie got most of the athletics part right. It's the executive decision making and being the face of athletics for the university that is the hard part.
Ultimately, he'll be judged on 2 things that are directly related to sports. First, the football coach hiring. Second, how he handles C. Viv's departure. Item 3 will be securing funding for the athletics portion of the Master Plan. By every account, we can't do better on a hire for this point.
Ultimately, he'll be judged on 2 things that are directly related to sports. First, the football coach hiring. Second, how he handles C. Viv's departure. Item 3 will be securing funding for the athletics portion of the Master Plan. By every account, we can't do better on a hire for this point.
I am a little skeptical, after my initial 1 day honeymoon period. I don't understand why he is paid so much money as an entry level AD. Yes, the university said money is no longer an issue but that doesn't mean state workers hit the jackpot. Seton Hall guys are always belittling Rutgers and although he is not doing that, I get the sense that he is laughing all the way to the bank. I will warm up to him over time if he does good.
Hobbs can run a law school but he can't run an athletic department? Someone who has had experience in an athletic Department is more qualified? Hobbs obviously is an accomplished manager/COO no matter what you are running the principles of good management are the same, doesn't hurt to be connected to a strong power base either. Hobbs will hiring/firing and managing people and program. At this point Intercollegiate athletics is big business and you need someone with business acumen more than coaching experience.
Exactly. To think that an Assistant AD at Illinois or Iowa could come into the political cesspool of NJ and successfully navigate the challenges facing the department is silly.
Bobby Knight used to say, "a good coach can coach anything...basketball, baseball, football, Tiddlewinks. The principles of effectively leading a group are the same."
A good manager can manage. A leader can lead. The skills are totally transferrable.
David Brandon was the CEO of Domino's and how'd he do running a more "mature" athletic department at Michigan than ours and how did his coaching choice in Hoke and overall term pan out? He wasn't liked when he left. They said he ran it too much like a business IIRC. See how management skills don't always translate across various areas. We're certainly not as "mature" as Michigan's athletic department and have a lot of work to do to build ourselves up.
I saw comparison with Allan Mullaly going from Boeing to Ford. That's still all in the manufacturing industry even if in different sectors of it. They may not be exactly similar but there's a lot of "rhyming." Would I expect him to go run JP Morgan and think he's going to do well?
I don't know much "rhyming" there is between being an executive in a law school and being an executive in an athletic department. I don't think you can just white wash over everything and say this guy is a good manager in this so he can be a good manager in that. Is it possible? Sure. But it's not something I can say yup this guy looks the part no doubt about it. On top of which we actually have a little bit of a track record of him in this same position and it wasn't particularly impressive in terms of one of the main responsibilities of an AD.
I'd feel much better if he did hire a deputy AD who has all the background of JH and then they'd complement each other. Nonetheless, as I've said while I'm skeptical I'm willing to give him a chance and the football hire will go a long way to making a good first impression and the ultimate arbiter will come in that hire's performance in the coming years.
I saw comparison with Allan Mullaly going from Boeing to Ford. That's still all in the manufacturing industry even if in different sectors of it. They may not be exactly similar but there's a lot of "rhyming." Would I expect him to go run JP Morgan and think he's going to do well?
I don't know much "rhyming" there is between being an executive in a law school and being an executive in an athletic department. I don't think you can just white wash over everything and say this guy is a good manager in this so he can be a good manager in that. Is it possible? Sure. But it's not something I can say yup this guy looks the part no doubt about it. On top of which we actually have a little bit of a track record of him in this same position and it wasn't particularly impressive in terms of one of the main responsibilities of an AD.
I'd feel much better if he did hire a deputy AD who has all the background of JH and then they'd complement each other. Nonetheless, as I've said while I'm skeptical I'm willing to give him a chance and the football hire will go a long way to making a good first impression and the ultimate arbiter will come in that hire's performance in the coming years.
if it was truly that bad then why isn't the NCAA sniffing around or why are we not reporting violations. And if it was an internal report that RU could control the story then I would not believe anything in it. I just find it funny we hear incredible rumors of awfulness by Flood and then all of a sudden no that didn't happen, its Julie to blame. Either sources are pushing an agenda or the report is just full of nonsense. Which is it? All of a sudden stuff just goes poof
Throwing someone under the bus after you fired them is no necessary.
She got fired. That says it all.
She got fired. That says it all.
To be clear, I'm not saying that he can't run athletics at RU (and he did have experience as the interim AD at Seton Hall), but the idea that being a dean of a law school is very close to running an athletic department is not right. I know there's a belief out there that if you can manage one sort of enterprise, you'll be fine managing another sort of enterprise, but even in business there are hundreds of examples to show that's not true, and the differences between a law school and an athletic department are pretty significant.
(And, by the way, Seton Hall is not particularly highly-ranked as a law school - U.S. News puts it at 68th, right in the middle of the pack.)
Off the top of my head I can think of a very obvious one in Ron Johnson. Very successful executive in charge of retail at Apple. IIRC had the highest revenue per square foot of any retailer. Took over JC Penney, another retailer, but in another industry and it was a total disaster and almost drove the company into bankruptcy. And those 2 jobs actually had some "rhyming" both being in retail. You can't just automatically assume good management skills in one area lead too good management in another. Sure it can happen but it's certainly not something I'd take for granted.
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Call me cynical, but if there are other revelations, I find it unlikely that they won't come out. As I've said elsewhere, unless Barchi is an idiot (which I do not believe), he wouldn't have said what he said in the statement about firing Hermann if there was bad news that he knew about.
Also, if by "the original report" you mean the one that led to Flood being suspended, there's nothing in there that implicated bad action by Hermann.
half of running any organization is managing all of the intertwined personalities and running the organization properly to begin with. He's already starting off on the right foot. I doubt he's going to be a micromanager when it comes to the actual athletic portion, most likely he'll be bringing the right people in to run the athletics part of the department - with his connections, perhaps pulling in someone from another successful program or from professional sports.
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