I hope Eddie is doing things the right way...so far so good.

[Greene Rice FIG]

I am embarrassed being a fan of the football program. For now, I am eating my tickets and not going.

I want to see our basketball players go to school, get decent grades, and be good citizens. It drove me crazy watching him play 5 guys the entire 2nd half and the team disinterested in defense, but i still want to watch and am proud to be a fan of the program.

Eddie appears to be a good guy and a great role model for the kids. I really hope he continues to bring in quality kids. I'd rather root for a program that loses than not care at all about a winning program.

I am very disappointed right now,

 

[bscharf]

I am embarrassed being a fan of the football program. For now, I am eating my tickets and not going.

I want to see our basketball players go to school, get decent grades, and be good citizens. It drove me crazy watching him play 5 guys the entire 2nd half and the team disinterested in defense, but i still want to watch and am proud to be a fan of the program.

Eddie appears to be a good guy and a great role model for the kids. I really hope he continues to bring in quality kids. I'd rather root for a program that loses than not care at all about a winning program.

I am very disappointed right now,

I feel your pain Greene-Rice but at the end of the day, there is only so much a role model can do. I don't hold Flood accountable for the actions of the players. There is only so much he can control. Same with EJ.

What if Mack had been arrested during the school year rather than over the summer? Would that change the way you feel about EJ?

Kids make bad decisions and the only person to blame is themselves. I feel the most important thing is how the coach/AD handle these situations, which in the past, has been almost as atrocious as the crimes.

PS-- if you're serious about eating your tickets I am in desperate need of a parking pass for the year and would love to buy it from you. You can use the money to put towards basketball tix!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I feel your pain Greene-Rice but at the end of the day, there is only so much a role model can do. I don't hold Flood accountable for the actions of the players. There is only so much he can control. Same with EJ.

What if Mack had been arrested during the school year rather than over the summer? Would that change the way you feel about EJ?

Kids make bad decisions and the only person to blame is themselves. I feel the most important thing is how the coach/AD handle these situations, which in the past, has been almost as atrocious as the crimes.

PS-- if you're serious about eating your tickets I am in desperate need of a parking pass for the year and would love to buy it from you. You can use the money to put towards basketball tix!

You have control over the quality of kids you bring in and can considerably reduce the chances of something like this happening. Contacting the professor is almost as bad as this.

 

[BKIn118]

For the record...Mack's arrest was a "mistake" and the charges have since been dropped.

Myles should in no way be categorized with young men who allegedly commit home invasions. There are very few kids that have come thru RU basketball that I am prouder of...

 

[bscharf]

For the record...Mack's arrest was a "mistake" and the charges have since been dropped.

Myles should in no way be categorized with young men who allegedly commit home invasions. There are very few kids that have come thru RU basketball that I am prouder of...

BK- hear me out because my post was in no way intended to bash Myles or lump him in a category with alleged criminals. First, I had no idea that charges were dropped and it's a shame that the bad news spreads like wildfire but this is the first I'm hearing of it being a mistake.

My comparison was intended to connect Mack's arrest as a reflection on Eddie to today's arrests as a reflection on Flood.

Secondly, only Boggs was involved in the home invasions. The others are arrested for their part in a fight, of which we have no details and probably won't ever get the real story. It's also just as important not to categorize those young men with those who commit home invasions either.

 

[RickB113]

Look, you can only control things so much. Greene, as much as you would be ok with just bringing in less talented "good" kids and losing nobody else would be and the coach would be out of a job. The reality is you have to bring in the best guys you can and hope you can teach them right from wrong. Someone just posted on the FB board a list of arrests per team over the last five years. RU was at the bottom. When you have 100 kids on a team they are bound to do stupid things eventually. That's reality.

 

[WGLTAUD]

I am embarrassed being a fan of the football program. For now, I am eating my tickets and not going.

I want to see our basketball players go to school, get decent grades, and be good citizens. It drove me crazy watching him play 5 guys the entire 2nd half and the team disinterested in defense, but i still want to watch and am proud to be a fan of the program.

Eddie appears to be a good guy and a great role model for the kids. I really hope he continues to bring in quality kids. I'd rather root for a program that loses than not care at all about a winning program.

I am very disappointed right now,

.....


Oh stop it. You would be the first person on here saying I told you so, Eddie wasn't the right fit for the job.


I'd say that 85% of the board is hopeful that he fails....I can't figure it out.....but people are foaming at the mouth for this to go bad.


I'm glad to say that I think we're right on track to turning this around, and I'm excited about what Eddie's doing. No reason to start creating fake drama for basketball.

You'd rather root for the team that loses because that's what you thought would happen when Eddie was hired...sorry things aren't working out for you.

 

[shields]

Glad to hear about myles. Thought he was a great kid. Hope this was in the paper that he had charges dropped. BK do you know if Ledger wrote charges were dropped?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

.....


You'd rather root for the team that loses because that's what you thought would happen when Eddie was hired...sorry things aren't working out for you.

Tell me more about me.

Am I season ticket holder?
If so, for how long?
How many games do I attend?
How am I during games?
Do I root hard or boo?
How much, if any, do I contribute toRU?

 

[RUInsanity]

You have control over the quality of kids you bring in and can considerably reduce the chances of something like this happening. Contacting the professor is almost as bad as this.

Pretty funny reading people talking about the quality of kids personalities as if they were graded beef on cattle headed to the slaughter house. Sorry but this is such a fvcking stupid comment it is difficilt to comprehend that anyone who writes this might know what you are talking about in any concept of life. Players are recruited when they are 15/16 years old. Unless you have some crystal ball that the rest of us don't posess......it is difficult to determe what they will be at 20 years old. Friend and family influences change. Kids make bad decisions. Life happens....stop pretending that you are above it all.

I've posted this elsewhere but the pathetic thing is people are so quick to condemn and disown when something goes wrong but the real measure of a person or organization is how they respond in crisis or to remedy/rectify a wrong.

 

[Caliknight]

Not going because of what exactly? Kids not under house arrest got into trouble? Yet you are supporting the coach who lied on his resume? Pretty hypocritical.

 

[JPhoboken]

For the record...Mack's arrest was a "mistake" and the charges have since been dropped.

Myles should in no way be categorized with young men who allegedly commit home invasions. There are very few kids that have come thru RU basketball that I am prouder of...

Why haven't we heard about the charges being dropped? I did searches and could find out anything. The beat writers felt it newsworthy to write about the charges but not to spend 5 seconds on an article the charges were dropped.

 

[shields]

Thank you. Front page of the paper, can we see that charges were dropped?

 

[treauRU]

.....


Oh stop it. You would be the first person on here saying I told you so, Eddie wasn't the right fit for the job.


I'd say that 85% of the board is hopeful that he fails....I can't figure it out.....but people are foaming at the mouth for this to go bad.


I'm glad to say that I think we're right on track to turning this around, and I'm excited about what Eddie's doing. No reason to start creating fake drama for basketball.

You'd rather root for the team that loses because that's what you thought would happen when Eddie was hired...sorry things aren't working out for you.

I have a idea why they would sit and hope for Eddie to fail. Even as Eddie is True RU. Even as Eddie has had A successful NBA coaching and playing career. Even as Eddie took the worst D1 MBB job in the country at the time when he could easily be making more money. People never suprize me. They only disappoint.
Eddie is getting it done.
And I think coach Flood will survive his adversity as well.

 

[RUChoppin]

EJ didn't lie on his resume - an athletic dept staffer misrepresented his resume on a website. EJ never said anything about being a graduate, only an alumnus.

Don't lump the players in the fight in with Boggs/Johnson and the armed robbery. Two totally separate incidents, and unfortunately both sets of arrests came on the same day, so many people (and the press) were confused about who was involved with which.

 

[BKIn118]

Don't know what to tell you there guys...other than dropped charges or story retractions don't sell papers or generate hits.

 

[shields]

Agree Brian, but it was on front page. Don't just bury in back pages that it was dropped.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Shields

That's how the media works.

 

[JMD77]

Love our fans.

Fan #1(GRF) insinuates that our football coach did something devious by contacting a teacher regarding one of his players. But we have no idea at this point. Being a fan of RU and the coaches, I take the coach's word that he wasn't acting inappropriately.

Then Caliknight's rebuttal incorrectly states that our men's bball coach lied on his resume. Also incorrect.

So my question - if you're a fan of RU, why don't you support our teams and the coaches. Why do you try to make our coaches look dishonest when you don't know the facts - or you're just plain wrong?

Don't assume the worst. Both men, by past actions, seem to be honest and appear to care about the players as individuals.

There's enough character assassination being done by those in the media. We shouldn't have 'fans' joining in.

 

[shields]

I understand that but does not make it right.

 

[Caliknight]

Love our fans.

Fan #1(GRF) insinuates that our football coach did something devious by contacting a teacher regarding one of his players. But we have no idea at this point. Being a fan of RU and the coaches, I take the coach's word that he wasn't acting inappropriately.

Then Caliknight's rebuttal incorrectly states that our men's bball coach lied on his resume. Also incorrect.

So my question - if you're a fan of RU, why don't you support our teams and the coaches. Why do you try to make our coaches look dishonest when you don't know the facts - or you're just plain wrong?

Don't assume the worst. Both men, by past actions, seem to be honest and appear to care about the players as individuals.

There's enough character assassination being done by those in the media. We shouldn't have 'fans' joining in.

I agree, and was just making a point. Flood is a good man getting raked of the coals, unnecessarily. I haven't had any interactions with Eddie but he has a great reputation too. I support both of them. I really don't know why any fan of RU wouldn't support Flood right now. It makes no sense.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I agree, and was just making a point. Flood is a good man getting raked of the coals, unnecessarily. I haven't had any interactions with Eddie but he has a great reputation too. I support both of them. I really don't know why any fan of RU wouldn't support Flood right now. It makes no sense.

The last few weeks all you need.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Love our fans.

Fan #1(GRF) insinuates that our football coach did something devious by contacting a teacher regarding one of his players. But we have no idea at this point. Being a fan of RU and the coaches, I take the coach's word that he wasn't acting inappropriately.

Then Caliknight's rebuttal incorrectly states that our men's bball coach lied on his resume. Also incorrect.

So my question - if you're a fan of RU, why don't you support our teams and the coaches. Why do you try to make our coaches look dishonest when you don't know the facts - or you're just plain wrong?

Don't assume the worst. Both men, by past actions, seem to be honest and appear to care about the players as individuals.

There's enough character assassination being done by those in the media. We shouldn't have 'fans' joining in.

Head football coach contacted a teacher is a major no no.

 

[Caliknight]

I don't agree with that statement.

 

[TDIrish1]

I do------no way that should occur-----Kyle should know better. They have people in the Dept who are in charge of athletes academic progress. There is a university policy firmly in place-----he should know it. On top of that the optics are terrible.

Agree on EJ----lots here seem to want him to fail-----no clue why.

 

[RRRRUUUU]

TD - I'm guessing you want Brian Kelly fired over the death of his student manager right?

 

[linzalonic]

The last few weeks all you need.

You're boycotting football games because of Flood's email & two separate player incidents? (still not clear how many of the players in the assault incident actually transgressed). So what college football program meets your standards? RU has been top 10 nationally in APR for years, and until recently was nowhere near the 'player misbehaving' conversation.

Very sanctimonious stance. Maybe you should read the posts / quotes / comments / tweets by players & their parents in unwavering support of Flood.

 

[MADHAT1]

The last few weeks all you need.

And what's that ???????
What do we really know.?
Yes the FB players arrests make RU FB look bad, are you saying Flood's a bad person because he ( along with Schiano)
recruited some kids that turned out to be bad ?
Flood's e-mail is being investigated, do you know what it said ??

You have every right to eat your tickets and feel embarrassed, but trying to imply RU FB is a rogue program is a bit much
in my book.
Also :
"I hope Eddie is doing things the right way...so far so good."
might be a cheap shot at the way you feel Jordan runs the RU MBB program in my opinion.
You have every right top feel the way you do and express your feelings, just like I have every right to express my take on how you expressed your feelings in this thread.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

For the record...Mack's arrest was a "mistake" and the charges have since been dropped.

Myles should in no way be categorized with young men who allegedly commit home invasions. There are very few kids that have come thru RU basketball that I am prouder of...

BK - have looked for some shred of a follow-up clarification - just something - and the only thing to be found was a comment in the 'posting' section in response to one of the most damning / inflammatory articles from NJ.com on this.

the poster emphatically took issue with the article - but got no response from the author:
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This story is so inaccurate regarding Myles & Fuquan and NO charges were EVER filed with the police department by the arresting officers. They were going to pick up food from a local restaurant as a prostitute (undercover) stood outside, offering services. Before either boy even had time to say no, police were on the scene and arrested the both of them. They were taken to the station, photographed, fingerprinted and released. NO CHARGES WERE FILED!!! The police even ordered them a pizza since they did not get to pick up the food they were at the restaurant for and took them to the 7/11 for soda. A lawsuit is being filed against the police department. Don't believe everything you read on the internet and the surrounding "facts."
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Can you shed any light on this poster's version ? is this poster correct?
If this is the full & accurate story - then the failure to follow-up represents pathetically low integrity by NJ.com - but then again - why expect anything different from them.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I never said flood is a bad person.

 

[BKIn118]

I have been assured that the events that have occurred are very similar to that account.

Now, let's move on to 2015/16!

 

[rutgersron]

I still don't understand some "fans". Always taking a negative stance. Why do some want Eddie to fail? Am I happy with the way the last two BB seasons went? No but I am amazed at what Eddie has done with recruiting, not only getting quality players to even take a look but actually landing some! Fans believing SL about Myles when all the facts are not in. I am from a police family but mistakes happen and it looks like that is what happened with Myles but his name is still drawn through the mud. And finally what has happened to Coach Flood...a family man of high integrity. We still don't know the facts on the email and it was stated that someone was out to hurt the athletic program. I fully support Coach Jordan and Coach Flood and will be at all the games rooting for them to be successful.

 

[knights1212]

I am in total agreement and feel the same toward Eddie and Kyle.

 

[TDIrish1]

RRRUUU

Not his job to place guys filming practice------the Operations Mgr should have been fired IMO.

I'm not the biggest BK fan in the world but I'm sure of one thing-----if he emailed a teacher the same way that KF did he would be severely disciplined----2-3 game suspension minimum.

No doubt in my mind about that.

 

[Caliknight]

Sure he would have.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

RRRUUU

Not his job to place guys filming practice------the Operations Mgr should have been fired IMO.

I'm not the biggest BK fan in the world but I'm sure of one thing-----if he emailed a teacher the same way that KF did he would be severely disciplined----2-3 game suspension minimum.

No doubt in my mind about that.

"if he emailed a teacher the same way that KF did" ??? well, since the info is basically coming from "an unnamed source" we don't know exactly what "way" that was - was it a response to a previous communication? was it simply seeking a definitive clarification or confirmation of what KF had been told (or not told) by the player? The true context of the communication has not been laid out.

 

[MADHAT1]

RRRUUU

Not his job to place guys filming practice------the Operations Mgr should have been fired IMO.

I'm not the biggest BK fan in the world but I'm sure of one thing-----if he emailed a teacher the same way that KF did he would be severely disciplined----2-3 game suspension minimum.

No doubt in my mind about that.

"--if he emailed a teacher the same way that KF did he would be severely disciplined----2-3 game suspension minimum."
since you seem to know what was in that e-mail, could you please share what makes Flood guilty of anything rather tham not following the proper procedure.
What was in that e-mail that should cause a "2-3 game suspension minimum."

 

[Virginiarufan]

Not his job to place guys filming practice------the Operations Mgr should have been fired IMO.

Instead Notre Dame swept it under the rug probably by paying the victim's family off. And what do you mean "Not BK's job"? Last I looked, he was the head coach and he's responsible for the operation, no? I mean he was right there when it happened. It took a strong wind to blow that lift over. He knew how windy it was and must have seen the lift moving back and forth and did nothing about it.

 

[TDIrish1]

That's not a real intelligent response ---"they probably paid off the victims family. "

Really ?

Any idea of the amount ? I mean how much is a son worth to parents------100k----250k------500k ?

Where do you think they got the money ? Just passed the hat among alums-----petty cash ?

The facts are that the family pursued no litigation in this tragic matter .

Madhat he emailed the teacher------there isn't any doubt about that------he shouldn't have.

It's not an opinion-----it's an RU Policy. What they do about is an Administrative decision .

Personally I like Kyle Flood but he was out of line on this one.

Cali

I'm 100 % sure-----like ND dislike ND the one thing we've had always is academic integrity.
Do the work or you don't stay-----that's why we are always Top 3 in terms of grad rates.
I can speak to that as a grad and a former player.
There's a track record of guys who don't do that being suspended or dismissed.
We don't redshirt-----you don't get a 5th year unless you have a diploma. We track our athletes to complete their degree in 3 1/2 years. It doesn't happen all the time but you do get out in 4.

 

[MADHAT1]

That's not a real intelligent response ---"they probably paid off the victims family. "

Really ?

Any idea of the amount ? I mean how much is a son worth to parents------100k----250k------500k ?

Where do you think they got the money ? Just passed the hat among alums-----petty cash ?

The facts are that the family pursued no litigation in this tragic matter .

Madhat he emailed the teacher------there isn't any doubt about that------he shouldn't have.

It's not an opinion-----it's an RU Policy. What they do about is an Administrative decision .

Personally I like Kyle Flood but he was out of line on this one.

Cali

I'm 100 % sure-----like ND dislike ND the one thing we've had always is academic integrity.
Do the work or you don't stay-----that's why we are always Top 3 in terms of grad rates.
I can speak to that as a grad and a former player.
There's a track record of guys who don't do that being suspended or dismissed.
We don't redshirt-----you don't get a 5th year unless you have a diploma. We track our athletes to complete their degree in 3 1/2 years. It doesn't happen all the time but you do get out in 4.

You said Flood should be severely disciplined for e-mailing that professor without even knowing if it was an honest mistake that deserves to be punished or something more sinister that should be handled with stronger measures.
Your rush to judge Flood but excuse Kelly makes me think you have two sets of standards.
One for Notre Dame and he other for the rest of college sports.
So I'll take what you say with a grain of salt and remember how Notre Dame handles accusations against it's players and how Notre Dame handled the Lizzie Seeberg incident by stonewalling the investigation into her charges against a ND FB player

It's easy for you to imply Flood is guilty of more than an error of judgement , but hard for you to allow anyone to imply ND does anything wrong.