Incredibly, a new low for Penn State - "Sandusky is Innocent"

[GSGS]

Prominent thread on BWI that now has 180 replies is full of Nittany followers claiming that their hero DC is innocent has been totally railroaded by the system. Denying the role of JoePa and company in the cover-up is one thing, but this takes it to another whole level.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...-happened-in-penn-state’s-locker-room.155482/

What can motivate some PSU followers to deny Sandusky's guilt? In the words of one poster, JoeBatters1 "Regardless of whether anyone believes that sandusky is guilty or innocent, the only way Paterno's reputation and legacy are ever going to have a chance to be redeemed is if some how sandusky were to be exonerated."

Oops, I forgot that we have a football game coming up on Saturday, none of this matters. "We Are ...!!!"

 

[17Q66]

Prominent thread on BWI that now has 180 replies is full of Nittany followers claiming that their hero DC is innocent has been totally railroaded by the system. Denying the role of JoePa and company in the cover-up is one thing, but this takes it to another whole level.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-jerry-sandusky-case-what-really-happened-in-penn-state’s-locker-room.155482/

What can motivate some PSU followers to deny Sandusky's guilt? In the words of one poster, JoeBatters1 "Regardless of whether anyone believes that sandusky is guilty or innocent, the only way Paterno's reputation and legacy are ever going to have a chance to be redeemed is if some how sandusky were to be exonerated."

Oops, I forgot that we have a football game coming up on Saturday, none of this matters. "We Are ...!!!"

Just finished watching "Spotlight." When you consider that the Globe uncovered the systemic abuses and cover-ups of the Catholic diocese in Boston a full decade before Sandusky's horrors were exposed, you have to really wonder what Paterno -- a Catholic, himself -- was thinking between 2002 and 2011, provided you've gotten yourself past what he must've been thinking from 1976 until 2002.

 

[RUScrew85]

LOL. Pedd State folks are delusional. I'm convinced Paterno was in on the child rape as well. There is no other reason for him to sweep it under the rug. I'd bet anything we don't know half of the story.

 

[kjb32812]

LOL. Pedd State folks are delusional. I'm convinced Paterno was in on the child rape as well. There is no other reason for him to sweep it under the rug. I'd bet anything we don't know half of the story.

Ya think? Really going out on a limb here. Corbett, MBNA, TSM, PSU BOT...not really many people on either side of the Paterno aisle who know anything about the whole scenario think otherwise.

LOL @ labeling Joe Paterno as a pedophile though.

 

[mikershoein]

Ya think? Really going out on a limb here. Corbett, MBNA, TSM, PSU BOT...not really many people on either side of the Paterno aisle who know anything about the whole scenario think otherwise.

LOL @ labeling Joe Paterno as a pedophile though.

Don't think he was call joepa a pedophile, but rather stunned how he was in on it, holding that knowledge of Sandusky for so many years and doing virtually nothing to stop the behavior within his program.

 

[Dpgru]

Don't ever be surprised at how low the PSU football cult can go.

 

[kjb32812]

Don't think he was call joepa a pedophile, but rather stunned how he was in on it, holding that knowledge of Sandusky for so many years and doing virtually nothing to stop the behavior within his program.

I think the record already speaks to what you are assuming.

Saying Joe Paterno "was in on the child rape as well" is taking things to a whole different level.

 

[MADHAT1]

Remember, football is far more important than any concepts of morality. I think I'm going to take a vacation. Buh-bye!

OJ was innocent , circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict along with a bungled investigation help fee OJ.
There wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Joe "The Enabler" and the Freeh report did have flaws that were used to make the facts not accepted when Paterno was being looked at as a suspect .
As for his victories restored, the NCAA was looking for an out because they didn't want to stay in a prolonged court battle after it came out they bluffed a guilty party to accept what was coming to them.
This wasn't known at the time due to confidential laws because PSU paid off victims and by the time it came to light the court that was hearing the case these actions were part of, culdn't accept evidence that was so old it was hard to verify the accuses word. A true case of a University with connections vs victims that didn't have anytging to help them but the truth.
This couldn't be proven fully and wound up hid in the dirty laundry Penn St was allowed to throw out.
May 4, 2016 - A new allegation purports Joe Paterno knew that his assistant coach Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing a child as early as 1976, according to a new court filing. The ongoing lawsuit, filed in 2013, seeks to determine whether Penn State or its insurance policy is liable for paying Sandusky's victims. At least 30 men were involved in a civil settlement with Penn State, and the number of victims could be even higher.
May 6, 2016 - CNN reports the story of another alleged victim who explains how he was a troubled young kid in 1971 when Sandusky raped him in a Penn State bathroom. Then, he says, his complaint about it was ignored by Paterno.
July 12, 2016 - Newly unsealed court documents allege that Paterno knew about Sandusky's abuse and that he dismissed a victim's complaint..

Wouldn't be surprised if the Enabler stopped talking to the Molester after Sandusky was investigated in 1998 for child abuse. But Paterno allowed him to continue as DC until it was safe to dump hin and teven honered the pervert by making him Coach Emeritus
As for Sandusky , this says you're full of BS:
Sandusky Verdict:
Victim 1
Count 1 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 2 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 3 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Felony 3)
Count 4 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 5 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 6 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)
Victim 2
Count 7 - not guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 8 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2)
Count 9 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 10 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 11 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Misdemeanor 1)
Victim 3
Count 12 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2)
Count 13 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 3)
Count 14 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 15 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)
Victim 4
Count 16 - ****DROPPED****: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 17 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 18 - ****DROPPED*****: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 19 - ****DROPPED*****: Aggravated Indecent Assault (Felony 2)
Count 20 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2)
Count 21 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 22 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 23 - guilty" Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)
Victim 5
Count 24 - not guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 25 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 3)
Count 26 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 27 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)
Victim 6
Count 28 - not guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 29 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 3)
Count 30 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 31 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Misdemeanor 1)
Victim 7
Count 32 - guilty: Criminal Attempt to Commit Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2)
Count 33 - ****DROPPED****: WITHDRAWN BY PROSECUTORS (unlawful contact with minors)
Count 34 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 35 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Misdemeanor 1)
Victim 8
Count 36 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 37 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 2)
Count 38 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 39 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 40 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Misdemeanor 1)
(Due to 2nd indictment, counts start over with Victims 9 and 10)
Victim 9
Count 1 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 2 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 3 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Felony 3)
Count 4 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 5 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 6 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)
Victim 10
Count 7 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 8 - guilty: Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse (Felony 1)
Count 9 - guilty: Indecent Assault (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 10 - guilty: Unlawful Contact with Minors (Felony 1)
Count 11 - guilty: Corruption of Minors (Misdemeanor 1)
Count 12 - guilty: Endangering Welfare of Children (Felony 3)

 

[AshSaturday]

Classic denial about Sandusky but JoePA didn't rape kids. Reminds me of the line "Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse?".

It's gotta be tough as a Penn State alum to have all you worked for, thrown out reputation wise by such a scandal.

I grew up a Rutgers then Penn State fan (my childhood friend whose dad is a big RU Pharma alum, went to PSU for his undergrad-coincidentally once again avoiding the game and headed out to Naples, of course, as my stomach ailment worsened). Penn State in the 70-90s had such a clean reputation-and then either things started coming out or JoePA got caught up in the legacy thing and seemingly recruited some bad people though as RU has seen that's much easier seen than done-can't predict behavior often. In the last 10-15? years I started to hear about incident upon incident-one heard there were 50 such in state college over the past (then) few years.

I think a large part of being a fan is to take with the good and the bad and provide feedback-hopefully to improve the program-or Rutgers as a whole. I know that's one major reason I post.

As a grad strudent In Chapel Hill I was REAL excited to see one of my heros Bruce Springsteen play the Dean Dome. However, opening night I was shocked to see Bruce all over bandmate (not knowing al of THEIR HISTORY) Patty Scialfa after marrying his wife. I said to my friend with me that "he's doing her". A few month later the cheating scandal broke and I realized my hero was only human just like me. A few years later with the "hippy band"
on SNL he opened with/played "57 channels" and sounded horrible (like he never had before). I said to myself "he s*cked" but was relieved when he kicked butt on his 3rd song (an honor given to few) "Living Proof". I've told others that after that down and up performance that that's when I realized that I was a true Bruce fan. Now you have books about Bruce in therapy, yada...

With JoePA it's gotta be TOUGH for most Penn State fans. Child molestation is possibly the worst thing someone can do. It just SHATTERED the reputation of the university (On a related note was actually in a way nice to see (so they could improve) but hated to hear about the academic scandal at UNC in of all places the COVER and LEAD story of BUSINESS WEEK. As a person who missed one class during 2 years at UNC (ironically for that 1st Thursday Bruce show) of course the scandal bothered me.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Cheers to anyone who would read all that... you have all that info saved somewhere to pull up when the occasion strikes mate?

You basically joined to read that, jerkoff. Go back to the Ped hole.

 

[AshSaturday]

So Franklin's official response to the decades of unspeakable horrors that went on at PSU is to win a football game? Not surprising at all.

The name "kid twist" continues to be surprising, though. I, mean, better than Decades of Kid ##$ Rape, but not a whole lot.

Sounds like a Sandusky "move". He doesn't have Internet access in prison does he?

 

[srru86]

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-jerry-sandusky-case-what-really-happened-in-penn-state’s-locker-room.155482/

"Regardless of whether anyone believes that sandusky is guilty or innocent, the only way Paterno's reputation and legacy are ever going to have a chance to be redeemed is if some how sandusky were to be exonerated."

The counter argument to every poster here that says we need to move on, because allegedly they have.

 

[RU31trap]

Here we go with another Sandusky thread. Let's keep provoking a team that's coming here tomorrow night. James Franklin "Tack on two more TD's fellas, do it for Joe Paterno". Allow me to make a suggestion. SHUSH!!

 

[Andrew16875]

I live in State College, recently joined this forum because me and friend are coming to the game tomorrow night, first time, and wanted to read some tips on parking, a place for dinner etc. I just want to say the 'Sandusky is innocent' crowd is a vocal minority, a very small minority, led by the 'framing Paterno' guy.

 

[Dpgru]

I live in State College, recently joined this forum because me and friend are coming to the game tomorrow night, first time, and wanted to read some tips on parking, a place for dinner etc. I just want to say the 'Sandusky is innocent' crowd is a vocal minority, a very small minority, led by the 'framing Paterno' guy.

Unfortunately they do an excellent job of propagating the "cult" mentality many of us believe exists at PSU. Even my own nephew, a PSU alum, has tried to convince me that Jo Pa was so respected that the other administrators knew the Sandusky stuff but shielded it from Paterno because they knew it would destroy him. I couldn't believe it. I thought he was kidding but it turns put he actually believes it. The more I hear about that place this less respect I have for it. Sorry if it offends you but these stories just keep appearing.

 

[tjb]

Classic denial about Sandusky but JoePA didn't rape kids. Reminds me of the line "Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse?".

It's gotta be tough as a Penn State alum to have all you worked for, thrown out reputation wise by such a scandal.

I grew up a Rutgers then Penn State fan (my childhood friend whose dad is a big RU Pharma alum, went to PSU for his undergrad-coincidentally once again avoiding the game and headed out to Naples, of course, as my stomach ailment worsened). Penn State in the 70-90s had such a clean reputation-and then either things started coming out or JoePA got caught up in the legacy thing and seemingly recruited some bad people though as RU has seen that's much easier seen than done-can't predict behavior often. In the last 10-15? years I started to hear about incident upon incident-one heard there were 50 such in state college over the past (then) few years.

I think a large part of being a fan is to take with the good and the bad and provide feedback-hopefully to improve the program-or Rutgers as a whole. I know that's one major reason I post.

As a grad strudent In Chapel Hill I was REAL excited to see one of my heros Bruce Springsteen play the Dean Dome. However, opening night I was shocked to see Bruce all over bandmate (not knowing al of THEIR HISTORY) Patty Scialfa after marrying his wife. I said to my friend with me that "he's doing her". A few month later the cheating scandal broke and I realized my hero was only human just like me. A few years later with the "hippy band"
on SNL he opened with/played "57 channels" and sounded horrible (like he never had before). I said to myself "he s*cked" but was relieved when he kicked butt on his 3rd song (an honor given to few) "Living Proof". I've told others that after that down and up performance that that's when I realized that I was a true Bruce fan. Now you have books about Bruce in therapy, yada...

With JoePA it's gotta be TOUGH for most Penn State fans. Child molestation is possibly the worst thing someone can do. It just SHATTERED the reputation of the university (On a related note was actually in a way nice to see (so they could improve) but hated to hear about the academic scandal at UNC in of all places the COVER and LEAD story of BUSINESS WEEK. As a person who missed one class during 2 years at UNC (ironically for that 1st Thursday Bruce show) of course the scandal bothered me.

I was at the Dean Dome show, too. Bruce is quite open about his misdeeds in his new autobiography.

I hope (as a Penn State alum and fan) that our guys simply found the allegations against Sandusky impossible to believe, and did what many of us would do if they were confronted with allegations they didn't believe about someone they had worked closely with for decades: Found ways not to believe them. Big mistake. Those poor kids. A tragic decision that has had terrible repercussions for a lot of children.

Forgetting the apologists for a second, once reality set in, Penn State as an institution cleaned house immediately - president, athletic director, football coach. And the NCAA conducted a review to determine how coaches should respond when they hear allegations of sex assault and recommended that they inform their superiors. In other words, do what Paterno did.

It's possible that these men at Penn State engaged in a decades-long active cover up to prevent the world from finding out about Sandusky. It's also possible that they believed McQueary misinterpreted what he saw (which is what they would want to believe) and human nature did the rest. I don't think they would have testified so openly to the grand jury about what they knew and didn't do at the time if they just didn't recognize what they were up against at the time. The 5th Amendment would have been a better choice.

That interpretation could be wrong, too. I'm also motivated to interpret things in a way that works with my preconceptions. At this point we are all left to our own conclusions with the evidence at the time. Memories at this point have been severely distorted. The written contemporaneous evidence suggests the PSU administrators knew the allegation was serious and that they considered reporting it, but the athletic director apparently did not.

Sports are often compared to religion, and it's been hard for the most fervent believers to let go of their sacred beliefs. This tragedy has magnified the power of those beliefs.

At the same time, there is room for a less harsh interpretation of what happened that credits less nefarious motivations and more basic explanations - motivated reasoning, confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance. Either way, there is enough to see that Penn State leaders lost a great opportunity to stop something in its tracks. And didn't.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

He's guilty, but, their football team is much better than ours and they have a ton of players from NJ

 

[RUBlueLot]

Joe never said anything because if he did the administration would of had to clean house including him.

How old was Paternostro when the first allegations popped up that he "allegedly" knew about.

What were his donations to the school like thereafter?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I think the record already speaks to what you are assuming.

Saying Joe Paterno "was in on the child rape as well" is taking things to a whole different level.

Maybe you would know.. when this story first broke I remember reading a story where the coaches and players routinely showered together. Do you recall this? Was it true?

Is this common among college football teams or highly unusual?

 

[BoroKnight]

As a quick aside, I remember as a college student, when Bruce married his first wife, saying "No way that lasts. She's just not right for him." And I am no gossip fan, just someone who thought he got Bruce. And whatever he might have done back then, he's been married to the same person for a long time now, therapy or not.

As to the post: the guy is right about one thing. The ONLY way Joe Paterno's reputation is restored is if somehow, some way, in some parallel universe, Jerry Sandusky is exonerated. If someone uncovers evidence that this was all a fiendish plot by some organization hell-bent on bringing down Penn State football, fueled by paying people to testify about horrible things that never happened, then and only then is The Enabler put back in his "proper" place.

Good luck with that.

 

[ru8081]

I truly don't understand you PSU people. Why don't you throw this guy under the bus. Don't you know that the program is more important than one person? If I found out Schiano did this, I'd have his name removed from any RU documentation etc. and never allow him to set foot on campus. What you are doing is sick.

 

[srru86]

Forgetting the apologists for a second

We'd like to but your alumni have elected a bunch of cult-ish deniers to your board of trustees, so it's not just a few internet odd balls.

Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship is the Cult and Lubrano is the leader of the Cult
Penn State trustee elections returns incumbents, one new member to university board
"Asked afterward what message he thought alumni sent by choosing not to elect newcomer Dan Cocco, who also ran for an alumni seat, and instead keep the same people on the board to be their voice, alumni trustee Anthony Lubrano said, "The alumni are not ready to change direction and that young man ran on a platform we shouldn't review the Freeh files and that was a fundamental mistake."

once reality set in, Penn State as an institution cleaned house immediately - president, athletic director, football coach.

You do realize the house cleaner you hired spent most of his career in Happy Valley and in his brief time away his primary accomplishment was overseeing a football rape scandal?
Philly Inquirer
Why did Penn State hire the president of football-rape-probe-cover-up U?

Yes, and I assume you realize only one of the eleven findings leading to the recent record US Dept of Ed. fine was related to Sandusky. It wasn't just one child rapist, the program was completely without institutional oversight and violating the Cleary Act repeatedly.
US DOE
U.S. Department of Education Levies Historic Fine Against Penn State Over Handling of Sexual Misconduct Incidents

It's possible that these men at Penn State engaged in a decades-long active cover up to prevent the world from finding out about Sandusky.

This is well beyond the realm of possibility. There is now documentary evidence of settlements going back to 1976.There was a cover up.
Insurance Journal.
Insurance Documents in Penn State Sex Abuse Case Released
Harrisburg Patriot News
Insurance expert: Penn State had six chances to tell us about
Sandusky problems

The 5th Amendment would have been a better choice.

Sure everybody has that right, but I'm not sure using the tactic favored by mobsters, drug king pins and communist fifth columnists is the right optics for those desperately trying to cling to the "Success with Honor" malarkey.

Sports are often compared to religion, and it's been hard for the most fervent believers to let go of their sacred beliefs.

That is the most galling part of this for those of us not in the thrall of the cult. The hypocrisy of a group that wants to lord over us with their moral superiority when it has been proven to be just a sham. It is TV evangelist level nonsense.

At the same time, there is room for a less harsh interpretation of what happened that credits less nefarious motivations and more basic explanations - motivated reasoning, confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance.

Much simpler explanation. It wasn't just the Paterno's getting rich feeding at the Nittany slop trough . Paterno made a lot of money for many people in the region. It's an old story. No one had the moral fortitude to derail the gravy train.

Either way, there is enough to see that Penn State leaders lost a great opportunity to stop something in its tracks. And didn't.

You and everyone else that says they want a better Penn State have a simple solution. Release all the victims you have paid settlements from their non-disclosure agreements and let the world judge you on the facts. Until that happens you are all just part of the denier-apologist machine that rules in the Commonwealth.

 

[tjb]

I understand your anger and the conclusions you reached. I don't agree with them, and we are not likely to reach a middle ground.

The alumni trustee elections are dominated by the apologists. I can't remember ever voting in one before this tragedy, I don't know any fellow alumnus that ever voted in one, and I only voted in the first after. The futility of that experience has not raised hopes for a more moderate group of trustee alumni any time soon. There are only a few slots for alumni trustees, but they can make noise.

The alumni group that we can call apologists is not small. The also-large group that is not blind to the mistakes that were made is not outspoken at all. We wish the apologists would go away. It would be as impossible to reach them as it is to reach people outside the situation who have drawn the extreme opposite conclusion.

 

[kjb32812]

Maybe you would know.. when this story first broke I remember reading a story where the coaches and players routinely showered together. Do you recall this? Was it true?

Is this common among college football teams or highly unusual?

I think that was from back in the 70s and 80s. I remember being a kid in the 80s and the YMCA just had a big shower area where everyone showered together. Not sure if that's still the case but it was when I was younger.

 

[needmorecowbell]

I truly don't understand you PSU people. Why don't you throw this guy under the bus. Don't you know that the program is more important than one person? If I found out Schiano did this, I'd have his name removed from any RU documentation etc. and never allow him to set foot on campus. What you are doing is sick.

The only explanation is Joe Pa is God to the middle of the PA. Scary.

 

[RUScrew85]

I think the record already speaks to what you are assuming.

Saying Joe Paterno "was in on the child rape as well" is taking things to a whole different level.

Tell me why he did nothing then? The only way his actions make sense is that he was deeply involved. Why else would any decent person not follow-up? Deny all you like.

 

[Kbee3]

Tell me why he did nothing then? The only way his actions make sense is that he was deeply involved. Why else would any decent person not follow-up? Deny all you like.

He did nothing because he was a soul-less piece of crap who was focused on winning football games......not stopping one of his associates from sexually abusing children.
I think he was also worried about that whole "snitches get stitches" thing.

 

[greenknight]

I live in State College, recently joined this forum because me and friend are coming to the game tomorrow night, first time, and wanted to read some tips on parking, a place for dinner etc. I just want to say the 'Sandusky is innocent' crowd is a vocal minority, a very small minority, led by the 'framing Paterno' guy.

Agreed I know a number of PSU alums that are from PA that are disgraced and have not or wI'll not attend another PSU game that were season ticket holders. What many don't get here is that they have a lot of pride and esteem in their degrees and that took a big hit with the whole entire scandal. I'd be careful to label the whole PSU community as pro Sandsky/Paterno when that is truly not the case

 

[Debtbubble]

What can motivate some PSU followers to be so delusional? Drugs? In the words of one poster, JoeCrackedup "Regardless of what anyone believes, sandusky is guilty, Paterno's reputation and legacy are never going to be redeemed. And some how sandusky needs to be executed."

 

[kjb32812]

Tell me why he did nothing then? The only way his actions make sense is that he was deeply involved. Why else would any decent person not follow-up? Deny all you like.

I have no idea. Why didn't the six other people? Were they all diddling kids too?

Your line of thinking is pretty odd.

 

[RUchip]

I think that was from back in the 70s and 80s. I remember being a kid in the 80s and the YMCA just had a big shower area where everyone showered together. Not sure if that's still the case but it was when I was younger.

You shouldn't think. In fact you're a idiot so don't try thinking anymore. You sound like a fool. Go back to your sick little board little boy.

 

[BlockR]

One day the ENTIRE. truth will come from this guy himself,or when/if his damaged hard drive can ever be put back together to recover the contents;
Matt Rickard, the former investigator who had been in charge of the investigation for several years, thinks that hard drive is the key to cracking the case. He said he's still holding out hope that someday technology will allow investigators to recover the damaged data.
"I think there is something out there. Whether it's evidence or a person, there's something that could lead us to something," he said. "In all honesty, somebody destroyed the hard drive and there was a reason. We have very few solid leads and the biggest one could be contained on that hard drive."
In 2011, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was arrested and charged with sexually abusing boys, it was revealed that it was Gricar who decided not to charge Sandusky when the first victim came forward in 1998. Gricar cited a lack of evidence..........................

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

What many don't get here is that they have a lot of pride and esteem in their degrees and that took a big hit with the whole entire scandal.

I get how there is a large silent group of PSU alums (majority?) who really feel the pride and esteem of their degrees "took a big hit". We Rutgers alums have never been in a situation where athletic success was the main source of pride/esteem in our degrees.

I know the PSU degree and academic rep of PSU increased dramatically with Big Ten membership. Its subjective reputation has surpassed Rutgers.

The whole "success with honor" thing was largely propaganda the entire time. Maybe PSU was able to avoid the academic risks in recruiting because they were a top choice for football regionally, if not nationally, and did not have to take those risks to be competitive. But we all know they took behavior risks and hid the problems with criminality. But with the motto and the chant... and the "For the glory" greeting... PSU fans/alums have been properly indoctrinated to believe the hype.

but now.. for some at least...

"WE ARE PENN STATE"

..is tainted.

Ironically.. it was the success of the propaganda that is the reason behind all of this. If JoePA thought everyone knew the "success with honor" thing was just a goal rather than reality, he could have went public with the accusations against his defensive coordinator... he should have. He put the reputation of the program above the safety of children.

I think PSU should toss aside all the JoePA legacies.. like "success with honor" and come up with something that means they will never again put the football program above everything else. How about "Honor first"?

 

[kjb32812]

I truly don't understand you PSU people. Why don't you throw this guy under the bus. Don't you know that the program is more important than one person? If I found out Schiano did this, I'd have his name removed from any RU documentation etc. and never allow him to set foot on campus. What you are doing is sick.

You mean like Baylor fans have done with Art Briles?

I'm not a supporter of Joe Paterno but I always laugh when people say stuff like this. I've actually heard of one person who stopped being a Penn State fan as a result of this. The reality of it is that Joe Paterno was not the only person who knew. Curley, Shultz and Spanier did as well and were just as much at fault (if not more) than Paterno. If anything, I would have to denounce Penn State completely, not just the athletic program(s).

For the catholics and boy scouts on here, have you done that with your respective groups? Because if you're hitting up mass, proud of being an Eagle Scout or allowing your own child to participate in boy scouts then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Kbee3]

You mean like Baylor fans have done with Art Briles?

I'm not a supporter of Joe Paterno but I always laugh when people say stuff like this. I've actually heard of one person who stopped being a Penn State fan as a result of this. The reality of it is that Joe Paterno was not the only person who knew. Curley, Shultz and Spanier did as well and were just as much at fault (if not more) than Paterno. If anything, I would have to denounce Penn State completely, not just the athletic program(s).

For the catholics and boy scouts on here, have you done that with your respective groups? Because if you're hitting up mass, proud of being an Eagle Scout or allowing your own child to participate in boy scouts then you are a hypocrite.

1. Let me know when they put up a statue of Curley, Shultz, or Spanier.
2. Like with Eagle Scouts, it's not the whole organization that people are disgusted with....just one particular troop.....WE ARE....
3. I know plenty of former Pedd St. fans.....people who jumped off the Paterno train when the scandal broke and haven't jumped back on. For some people there are more important things than winning college football games.
4. After tonight's game Rutgers may owe its fans an apology for a crappy football game. Pedd St. will owe its fans a lifetime of apologies for Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno.

 

[RUScrew85]

Ya think? Really going out on a limb here. Corbett, MBNA, TSM, PSU BOT...not really many people on either side of the Paterno aisle who know anything about the whole scenario think otherwise.

LOL @ labeling Joe Paterno as a pedophile though.

LOL@ you guys still ignoring reality.

 

[ericstratton-rushchairman]

RU football...

 

[kjb32812]

1. Let me know when they put up a statue of Curley, Shultz, or Spanier.
2. Like with Eagle Scouts, it's not the whole organization that people are disgusted with....just one particular troop.....WE ARE....
3. I know plenty of former Pedd St. fans.....people who jumped off the Paterno train when the scandal broke and haven't jumped back on. For some people there are more important things than winning college football games.
4. After tonight's game Rutgers may owe its fans an apology for a crappy football game. Pedd St. will owe its fans a lifetime of apologies for Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno.

You didn't answer the part about catholics Sport.

I'm not on the Paterno train. I couldn't give two shits about Joe Paterno.

One troop huh? You might want to do a little research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_sex_abuse_cases

 

[MADHAT1]

LOL@ you guys still ignoring reality.

Reality:
Penn St paid off victims of sexual abuse since he late 70s, one case was supposed to
have been in early 70s
Jerry Sandusky started out as a full time assistant at Penn St in 1969. ( coincidence ?)

Joe Paterno is supposed to have no idea Sandusky was a pervert and didn't know.
( though his name is mentioned by at least two victims of having knowledge of Sandusky's conduct towards children as far back as the 70s.)

Paterno never was in the loop about Sandusky's actions ( strange that when he was PSU's AD in early 80s he wouldn't have heard rumors of payouts for sexual abuse being in that position and a powerful voice inside the school's administration.)

Joe never was told in 1998 when it was going on how Sandusky was being investigated for possible child abuse and admitted he showered with a child after that child's mother call the police after learning of he child showering with a grown man .
(yes Sandusky being told he wouldn't be in line to replace Paterno and retiring after the 1999 season wasn't because Joe forced him out because of that investigation. Joe didn't know what was happening with his DC, if that's possible)

Of course after being told about Sandusky in 2001, Joe did everything he needed to and did the same for the next 10 years. ( while Sandusky walked around campus being honored with the Coach Emeritus handle and bring childeren to Penn St bowl games. Joe really had no idea that was happening or that Sandusky was preying on children from when he started out out as Paterno's DL coach in 1969 to the day the
day Sandusky was finaly brought to justice. Also a e-mail message saying:>"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."< doesn't necessary mean Paterno, it could have been GI Joe for all we know )
Those are the realities

 

[kjb32812]

LOL@ you guys still ignoring reality.

Reality that Joe Paterno was a pedophile?

BTW, I would like to again thank you and your wife for your support of Penn State football. Sorry you got sick and couldn't make the trip but we appreciate the money and look forward to your revenue again in 2017.