At this point I wish we were in Purdue or Indiana's shoes. The upgrade in facilities are very impressive, especially at Purdue. The recruiting for both schools are on an uptick, which is interesting because the state of Indiana is not a great recruiting ground. If Purdue can hang onto Brohm and his staff, they'll be competitive. Jury is still out on Coach Allen although they play hard.
It’s almost inconceivable...but we complete blew all the newbie benefits of the big ten invite
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At this point I wish we were in Purdue or Indiana's shoes. The upgrade in facilities are very impressive, especially at Purdue. The recruiting for both schools are on an uptick, which is interesting because the state of Indiana is not a great recruiting ground. If Purdue can hang onto Brohm and his staff, they'll be competitive. Jury is still out on Coach Allen although they play hard.
I’m confused - full share means what? My recollection is the leadership wants the athletic budget to free itself of institutional support is that correct? How much additional money will full share of the big 10 revenue exceed that amount to the benefit of sports at Rutgers?
Still doesn’t change the fact that - at least last I heard - there were still unendowed scholarships for football.
Still doesn’t change the fact that - at least last I heard - there were still unendowed scholarships for football.
Brohm is an energetic coach. Personally, he seems like a hotheaded jerk, but he gets his players excited- to the point of where they commit a lot of boneheaded penalties.
Indiana is more interesting
2019, they have a 4 star recruit from Florida and 5 more recruits from Florida. 2018, they got a 4 star recruit from Florida and 7 more recruits from Florida.
Remember when RU recruited Florida? While he did not do much else right, Flood recruited Florida as well as or slightly better than Greg did. But Chris Ash apparently wanted to jettison everything his predecessors did. We had several coaches with Florida connects, and I don't think we have had one Florida recruit under Ash. The only Florida recruit we had was Pollock, and IIRC, Ash drove him off.
Zero Florida recruits in 4 years of recruiting is mind boggling and just stupid. We had a pipeline, and apparently Ash closed it.
Would love to know what Indiana is doing/selling in recruiting.
The good ole days when Schiano would hit the Florida trail.
Indiana coaching staff is very familiar with Florida, specifically the Tampa area. Having sent my daughter to IU, the campus is great and the football facilities are getting better. They just closed up the south end zone and now all activities for the players, from eating, academics to S&C occurs at stadium facilities. They did a nice job.
Long suffering football and mens basketball fans have heard all the lame excuses that could possibly be said and yet some of us still are season ticket holders.Its a a sign of loyalty to Rutgers and a liking for big time college athletics.
Excellent post. In many ways, the same thing happened when we finally joined the Big East for basketball. I remember thinking that we would blow past Seton Hall and other smaller schools in short order. But no, we got our clocks cleaned for decades. Built a reputation as a losing program not committed to winning. And we did not win.
We had one chance to enter B1G football and make a strong first impression. We blew it. People say the best GS teams would lose too given the competition. But we are getting crushed by Kansas and Buffalo. Our talent level has receded. Despite being in the B1G. How could that possibly happen? Incompetence at all levels?
We had one chance to enter B1G football and make a strong first impression. We blew it. People say the best GS teams would lose too given the competition. But we are getting crushed by Kansas and Buffalo. Our talent level has receded. Despite being in the B1G. How could that possibly happen? Incompetence at all levels?
Until Rutgers gets a President who understands what athletics can do for a university and has the power and desire to spend that way, RU will never win. The goal of any Rutgers President is to turn RU into a large state school that is successful at academics and athletics. Our goal should be to become a UCLA, UNC, Michigan, Virginia, Texas, Ohio State, etc. There is zero reason NJ doesn't deserve this as much as other states in our nation. Brachi has to go.
Cute- the numbers don't lie.
Flood:
2015- (4)
2014- (6)
2013- (4)
Schiano:
2012- (0)
2011- (2)
2010- (7)
2009- (2)
Schiano's last 4 years, 2.5/year from Florida. Flood's 3 year, 4.67/year from Florida.
Got any other non-questions or cute Memes?
At least Flood kept the pipeline open. He did little else right. I have no problem giving credit where it is due, and not a close-minded angry fan who wants to completely sweep facts under the carpet.
...talking about QUALITY, not quantity, which is what I (and I would think most others) consider when talking about ‘recruiting well’ (anyone can load up on marginal prospects that have little chance of doing anything at the next level- that’s hardly ‘recruiting well’)
-Hart
-Moses
-Foster (All-American)
-Robeson
-W. Foster
-Tucker
Who did Flood recruit from Florida that matched the production of any of those guys, nevermind anyone that came later? Grant and Hicks? Anyone else? Pollock is also now injury-retired and I don’t think ever played a complete season of CFB.Numbers don’t lie, but they don’t always tell the truth either.
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We have the thing next the RAC going up, the locker room at the end of the season (which helps the Hale Center) and the Rodkin Center on it's way.
All things considering of where we are and what's going on, not too shabby.
Well, at least you replied in words instead of a stupid meme. While the quality may not have been as high as Schiano's EARLY Florida recruits, I still maintain that Flood kept the pipeline open with quite a few quality players.
Flood- Harris, Wharton, Applefield (maybe Ash should have convinced him to stay), Hicks, Grant
Schiano's last 4 years- Kaleb Johnson, Glashen, Jamison, Thompson
Fine, if you don't want to give Flood credit for anything, that's OK. I am a former Floodie, and I don't want him back, but to deny that he did an OK job recruiting Florida is not correct IMO.
The more important point here is about Ash--- did he deliberately decide to shut down Florida recruiting? If so, dumb move.
You’re making a lot of assumptions that are just wrong. It’s not about ‘not giving Flood credit’; I just found the statement that he recruited Florida better than Schiano ridiculous. Johnson was a GOOD 4-year starter on the o-line; you know how rare that is? Jamison IIRC was an all-conference RB and I think had a 1k season in ‘12. I don’t think any of the 4 players you named were as good as those 2...and don’t forget Mera, Kirksey and Deering, who were all solid contributors as well. The last statement I would agree with in full.
Joe P.
she had her problems but she certainly knew what to do with football coaches....Tom Hermann anyone..yeah we could have had him or Narduzzi and we could have hired Flood if the muzzle on spending money wasnt there...or are stupid high donors didnt balk and give Flood another go.
...and he just got married Saturday....imagine if that wasn't the case LOL!
Well put my friend!
The problem is simple- timing
We had AD over his head (Pernetti) hiring Rice and Flood- I challenge anyone to find me an AD in America with worse hires in the two major sports- before the B1G knocked.
Schiano left months before- had the B1G invite come earlier, maybe we are not having this discussion
In any case, again, I need to ask for evidence of the role Barchi had with Flood staying beyond 2013- it seems to more of a case of certain "big donors" and many fans here wanting him to stay. How is he responsible because Ash sucks?
We had AD over his head (Pernetti) hiring Rice and Flood- I challenge anyone to find me an AD in America with worse hires in the two major sports- before the B1G knocked.
Schiano left months before- had the B1G invite come earlier, maybe we are not having this discussion
In any case, again, I need to ask for evidence of the role Barchi had with Flood staying beyond 2013- it seems to more of a case of certain "big donors" and many fans here wanting him to stay. How is he responsible because Ash sucks?
I thought his first DL coach Burnham was supposed to have Florida connections. Obviously they did not amount to anything. How about the new guy Joseph from IU. Is he the new Florida guy? That state really was important to us in the past.
Schiano grabbed those guys out of Florida before the NCAA instituted "The Rutgers Rule" wrt football camps.
Kate Sweeney has apparently very pro-Rutgers... I wonder if she feels badly about her insistence on hiring JH...
